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I'm going to try just one more time, trying to point you to Holy Scriptures where the answers lie to your questions which have already been answered.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Where and when did this take place at? "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?" When God laid the foundation of the world.

Who was with God at that time? "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" The morning star and the sons of God. Check out and find who the morning star & the sons of God and you will have your answer. By the way, at that time God had not created Adam, so it could not have been men, humans, present with Him. Hint, sons of God are angels.


This passage is in figurative language, Jerry.
Once again, "Planet Earth" has no cornerstone. It is a spheroid planet. The center core is also spheroid; There are no corners in a ball. Find you a Christian geologist and ask him.

Could it be that....And I'm only asking OK???
Could it be that these verses are telling us......

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Foundations appears to be faith Psalm 11:3, Psalm 82:5, Isaiah 51:16
Earth is the heart or body of a man; I'm not sure which yet.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
A line appears to speak of Judgement. does God judge planet earth? Or will He judge us?
Does measures speak of truth?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Our faith(foundations) is fastened on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the cornerstone.
The Bible also says he will be the "head of the corner" and the "chief cornerstone".
A "head of the corner" is laid on TOP of two intersection walls.
Somebody tell me when Jesus becomes the "head of the corner".

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Isn't it true that all the sons of God have not shouted for joy yet?

Before getting mad at me or dismissing it altogether, could someone help me study this out?
It would help by knowing what these types mean.
Foundations
Earth
Measures
Lines
Cornerstone
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Before getting mad at me or dismissing it altogether, could someone help me study this out?
It would help by knowing what these types mean.


The rest of the passage is literal - referring to creation - why should we believe these verses are symbolic?

Also:

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Where were you when I did this? That tells me it is referring to some past event - not some future prophecy or event that had not happened yet. Otherwise God would have said, "Where will you be when..."
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Hi heartstrings,

You know I believe Job 38 is speaking of Creation and I understand your frustration because you believe the passage is figurative but something just occured to me this time around... :Green

You are right; the earth does not have a cornerstone and its foundations aren't fastened to anything.

That was God's whole point.

NO ONE laid anything out and measured before building. NO ONE laid a cornerstone in order to build the earth. NO ONE had to fasten the foundations of the earth so that they wouldn't move.

When man builds something, he has to do all these things. God, however, does not. This is so beautiful! :clap:

God is saying to Job, "I am all powerful; I created the earth with my voice [not with tape rulers and cornerstones]. Where were YOU when I did all this???" We know the earth hangs on nothing at all. It is kept in its place by God's power.

God was putting Job in his place because Job had begun questioning why God would allow all those bad things to happen to him.

In the middle of God's questioning, He gives us a scientific tidbit - stars sing. (Scientists now are finding this out.) Then he also mentions that the sons of God shouted for joy - His created ones, not inanimate objects, not animals and not human either but still beings that had the power to choose to love and worship Him or to rebel as did Lucifer and much like man did later. Yes, His angels shouted for joy at the wonder they beheld as they had the privilege of watching all this take place. I can only hope that one day in Heaven, God will allow us some kind of DVD feature where we can watch what happened. :clap::clap: :clap:

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Its neat, it gives us a glimpse during the time God was creating all of this that He did not include in the account given to us in Genesis.

No doubt, God put Job right in his place, which we all know that He can do with us today.

But what a happy event, occasion that was, the angels shouting & singing with joy reminds me of this verses. OH, I'm not connecting these verses, but I posting both of them below.

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7 (KJV)

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Luke 15:7 (KJV)

Just think, this also gives us a glimpse of joyous occasions we will get to experience in heaven one day.

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Hi heartstrings,

You know I believe Job 38 is speaking of Creation and I understand your frustration because you believe the passage is figurative but something just occured to me this time around... :Green

You are right; the earth does not have a cornerstone and its foundations aren't fastened to anything.

That was God's whole point.

NO ONE laid anything out and measured before building. NO ONE laid a cornerstone in order to build the earth. NO ONE had to fasten the foundations of the earth so that they wouldn't move.

When man builds something, he has to do all these things. God, however, does not. This is so beautiful! :clap:

God is saying to Job, "I am all powerful; I created the earth with my voice [not with tape rulers and cornerstones]. Where were YOU when I did all this???" We know the earth hangs on nothing at all. It is kept in its place by God's power.

God was putting Job in his place because Job had begun questioning why God would allow all those bad things to happen to him.

In the middle of God's questioning, He gives us a scientific tidbit - stars sing. (Scientists now are finding this out.) Then he also mentions that the sons of God shouted for joy - His created ones, not inanimate objects, not animals and not human either but still beings that had the power to choose to love and worship Him or to rebel as did Lucifer and much like man did later. Yes, His angels shouted for joy at the wonder they beheld as they had the privilege of watching all this take place. I can only hope that one day in Heaven, God will allow us some kind of DVD feature where we can watch what happened. :clap::clap::clap:


That's an interesting perspective, sister.
I will study that.
Thanks.
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Brother Parrish' date=' regardless of your position, quoting references to a corrupted Bible manuscript (Septuagint) and an apostate Jew's (Philo) interpretation certainly does not help your argument.[/quote']
LOL, yes, well don't forget---the Apostle Paul quoted heathen poets more than once!
Jerry, make no mistake, I'm not arguing at all---I already stated that as politely as I could, and at this point I honestly don't give a rat's rear end whether you agree with my views or not. Maybe you are just hear to argue, or maybe the people who don't believe what the Bible is PLAINLY teaching them should go start their own thread called, "why we are right about the Sons of God and everyone else is wrong." I promise you, I won't post a word on it! :cool
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Then he also mentions that the sons of God shouted for joy - His created ones' date=' not inanimate objects, not animals and not human either but still beings that had the power to choose to love and worship Him or to rebel as did Lucifer and much like man did later. Yes, His angels shouted for joy at the wonder they beheld as they had the privilege of watching all this take place....[/quote']

Exactly---I agree, the sons of God were angels, you are hitting the nail on the head! :thumb
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I'm going to try just one more time, trying to point you to Holy Scriptures where the answers lie to your questions which have already been answered.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Where and when did this take place at? "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?" When God laid the foundation of the world.

Who was with God at that time? "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" The morning star and the sons of God. Check out and find who the morning star & the sons of God and you will have your answer. By the way, at that time God had not created Adam, so it could not have been men, humans, present with Him. Hint, sons of God are angels.


EXCELLENT POST Jerry80871852, I agree 100%, you obviously have no problem seeing the same way I do, and neither one of needed a microscope and a blow torch, imagine that! :amen:
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Jerry' date=' make no mistake, I'm not arguing at all---I already stated that as politely as I could, and at this point I honestly don't give a rat's rear end whether you agree with my views or not. Maybe you are just hear to argue, or maybe the people who don't believe what the Bible is PLAINLY teaching them should go start their own thread called, "why we are right about the Sons of God and everyone else is wrong." I promise you, I won't post a word on it! :cool[/quote']

Forget the crude language. I don't know why you are getting weird - I just stated that we should stick to the Bible not run to unbelievers' writings and corrupted manuscripts to learn about something. It has nothing to do with me thinking I am right or not - but let's put it this way, if you don't think you are right on an issue, why are you debating it on a message board?!?
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I noticed that too.

Parrish, If I was the pastor of your church or one of the parents of the kids you teach, you wouldn't be teaching my kids' Sunday school class, using vulgar language like that.
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The Bible uses figurative language. But that is no justification for eliminating any and all literal references on a whim. This is the sort of interpretation which dominated biblical study in late antiquity and the middle ages, and its pretty much pointless. This would make a good sermon, I suppose, and might be an acceptable application of the passage, but it is not a proper interpretation. Just because the earth doesn't have foundations in the same way that man-made buildings do does not mean that Job 38 is not talking about the earth at all! The language is figurative, yes. But it is clearly talking about the earth because it says so - the passage makes little sense otherwise.

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If there was other symbolic terminology in that passage, you might be able to say the foundations was also symbolical - but the fact is other passages dealing with creation ALSO refer to the foundations of the earth. Even other places in the NT refer to the creation week in those terms.

Besides, if it was symbolical, where is the actual foundation laying it is symbolic of? The other symbols used in the Bible all refer to actual people or events, and use that as the springboard for the symbol that is used at a later time. For example, Babylon is an actual literal city, but is used in Revelation symbolically - the symbol being used to show that endtime Babylon would be similar to real Babylon in certain ways. Same with Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 referring back to the real Gog and Magog in the book of Ezekiel.

Where is the literal declaration of foundations of the earth being laid - if these are supposedly symbolical?

Besides, it is not referring to day one, but day three - as a comparison with Job 28, Psalm 104, and Genesis 1 shows. The foundations of the earth is referring to the continents, when the land masses were separated from the water. There was a very literal time when that happened.

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If there was other symbolic terminology in that passage, you might be able to say the foundations was also symbolical - but the fact is other passages dealing with creation ALSO refer to the foundations of the earth. Even other places in the NT refer to the creation week in those terms.

Besides, if it was symbolical, where is the actual foundation laying it is symbolic of? The other symbols used in the Bible all refer to actual people or events, and use that as the springboard for the symbol that is used at a later time. For example, Babylon is an actual literal city, but is used in Revelation symbolically - the symbol being used to show that endtime Babylon would be similar to real Babylon in certain ways. Same with Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 referring back to the real Gog and Magog in the book of Ezekiel.

Where is the literal declaration of foundations of the earth being laid - if these are supposedly symbolical?

Besides, it is not referring to day one, but day three - as a comparison with Job 28, Psalm 104, and Genesis 1 shows. The foundations of the earth is referring to the continents, when the land masses were separated from the water. There was a very literal time when that happened.


How do you know "foundations" were continents? Wouldn't islands have foundations too?
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All those of you who actually consider a "rat's rear end" to be offensive language please grow up. :cool
Although I can appreciate the sanctimonious rebuttal, I am sure some of you have far worse on your living room TV every day.

Here is a Wiki reference page to the Book of Enoch...
Certainly not an inspired Biblical reference, but interesting reading with regard to the topic:

The first section of the book depicts the interaction of the fallen angels with mankind; S

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Parrish' date=' If I was the pastor of your church or one of the parents of the kids you teach, you wouldn't be teaching my kids' Sunday school class, using vulgar language like that.[/quote']

Don't worry---I reserve that kind of language for sanctimonious brethren who think they know everything about the Bible. :Green
I tried being nice with you gents, we can get back to that if you want, choice is yours... but you'll have to start by admitting you could be wrong about the Sons of God. See I actually admitted I could be wrong earlier, but the fact is, I have a real problem with intolerant Bible experts who get dogmatic about gray areas. NOW, HOW ABOUT STICKING TO THE TOPIC AND LEAVING ME OUT OF IT. :cool
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Dearest Bro Jerry,
When doing research, have you never LOOKED AT archaelogical evidence, any unbelievers' writings or other references BESIDES the Bible? Are you serious?

And might I add, all I have proposed from the start is gathering information on my study with regard to the Nephilim, some of us are actually in agreement here, I think we can see who is "debating." It wasn't ME who stated what another member thought about this was SCIENCE FICTION, now was it? I suggest that everyone keep an open mind---and seriously, if anyone doesn't have anything to add about the GIANTS in ancient history - the Nephilim, consider buzzing off, I promise you won't hurt my feelings and I'm sure we can regroup with joy on another topic later. :thumb
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Jerry80871852, here is an interesting article on the "Sons of God," also draws a distinction between the Nephilim and Giborem...
I thought it was funny this Jewish fellow actually believes the same way I do about Matthew 22:30... imagine that!

Sons Of God...Sethites Or Fallen Angels?
"The following article is only a portion of a Biblical study on Demonology: The Doctrine of Fallen Angels- Dr. A.G. Fruchtenbaum. Dr. Fruchtenbaum is a Messianic Jewish believer and founder of http://www.ariel.org in San Antonio Texas. He comes from a family line of Levite Priest (father and grandfather) and has knowledge of scripture that is just uncanny, nonetheless having become a believer in Christ at a young age, his father threw him out of the house for converting from Judaism to Christianity at the age of 17 or 18..."
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum ... =23&t=1327

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Here is an excellent article on THE SONS OF GOD and the Nephilim...
well thought-out and well presented... :thumb

The Sons of God and the Daughters of Men
(Genesis 6:1-8)
By: Bob Deffinbaugh , Th.M.

"I therefore understand the Nephilim to be a race of super-humans who are the product of this angelic invasion of the earth.
This view not only conforms to the biblical use of the expression ?sons of God,? it also best fits the context of the passage. The effects of the fall were seen in the godly offspring of Cain (chapter 4). While Cain and his descendants were ?in Satan?s pocket,? Satan knew from God?s words in Genesis 3:15 that through the seed of the woman God was going to bring forth a Messiah who would destroy him. We do not know that the entire line of Seth was God-fearing. In fact we would assume otherwise. Noah and his immediate family alone seem to be righteous at the time of the flood..."
http://www.bible.org/author.php?author_id=9

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