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I just found something very disturbing.
The link below has actual footage of a possible Nephilim descendent.
Though the features are strikingly angelic, I can't decide if this was inherited from the angel or "fair women" side. Anyway...view at your own risk. Please...if you are easily frightened or prone to having nightmares, DO NOT click on this link. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/774518/six_fingers/

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The Giants in Gen 6 are not the offspring of the "sons of God and daughters of man".
All it does it mention that there where giants, then it goes on to talk about the SOGandDOM breeding. It's pretty easy to see they are not connected.

Also, the theory of genetically bottled tribes mixing it up and getting genetically strong children is very true. But we're talking about a generational gap of 4? 6 generations? That is not enough. We're also talking about pre-flood... Adam would of been genetically perfect, as well as Eve. (unless you think God makes flaws). We would not be talking about genetic problems for many generations.. so much so that it wasn't until Moses that God even told us to stop marrying siblings. The Genome was strong enough back then that brother and sister could marry and have no worries about the children.

Finally, the double row of teeth, this would of course just be a theory on a whim, but double the size of your teeth and imagine what they would look like. At a glance, it would look like you have 2 rows of teeth, and would require examination to see that no, it's just a really big tooth. I'm guessing if a 20' guy was running around in the woods by me, I wouldn't be interested in getting close enough to give him a check up. Of all the giant size bones I've read about, I've seen horns, tails, and other oddities, but never double row of teeth. Doesn't mean they didn't have em...

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I just found something very disturbing.
The link below has actual footage of a possible Nephilim descendent.
Though the features are strikingly angelic, I can't decide if this was inherited from the angel or "fair women" side. Anyway...view at your own risk. Please...if you are easily frightened or prone to having nightmares, DO NOT click on this link. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/774518/six_fingers/


This is much more common then people know. Talk to someone who works maternity ward and they will tell you that when a baby comes out with extra digits, they take the baby out of the room, give it a quick snip, and never even tell the parents. I had someone tell me this and I found it kinda unbelievable. Not so much babies are born that way, but that a hospital would perform an operation on a newborn without letting the parents know. I had it confirmed though, and learned enough that if I ever have kids, they will not leave my sight until we are out of the hospital, no exception.
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The fact is' date=' there are cut stone pieces on mountains in Bolivia that weigh over 900 TONS, located at an elevation of over 12,000 feet. There is a giant wharf in Puma Punka with one cut stone at 440 TONS. Cutting and moving material this size and weight would be questionable even with today's technology, you can read about that here:[/quote']

I know how to move a 900 stone, by myself, without any power tools, anywhere you want it to go.

There is a guy in scotland right now, building his own stone henge. He's pouring 300 ton pillars of concrete. They are poured laying down, and not where he wants em. After they cure, he then moves them across his field, stands em up, and starts on the next one. He has yet to use any power tools.

When you grow up always having a dodge pick up, you start thinking that if your dodge can't handle it, then it can't be done. Back then people didn't have cranes and bulldozers, but they had other ways of doing things, and those ways where not limited by horsepower and cable strength.

Build a giant pyramid? ok... I could do it without anything but hand tools, but if you want it done in this life time I would ask that you give me lots and lots of slaves.
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We don't need giants to account for the moving and using of large stones. Check out the tonnage of the stones used in Solomon's temple and those used in the pyramids - we know ordinary MEN built these. We may not know 3-4000 years later HOW they built them, but we know they did.

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We don't need giants to account for the moving and using of large stones. Check out the tonnage of the stones used in Solomon's temple and those used in the pyramids - we know ordinary MEN built these. We may not know 3-4000 years later HOW they built them' date=' but we know they did.[/quote']

Yup
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I saw that on TV., or someone like him, moving humongous stones by himself using simple stuff. Image what a whole gang of men like that could move. The people on Easter Island weren't giants but they moved huge stones too.
I agree ,you don't need giants to move big stuff.
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LOL, the world laughs at us even if we interpret the word of God properly, so your point is moot.
I do not let the WORLD determine my beliefs. As for the height of Goliath, depends on which CUBIT you are using, standard or forearm cubit, see here:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/cubit.htm



Dogmatic, I love it. You sound like the preachers you mock. But it makes you seem rude and there is no need for that here.
How was Mary impregnated? By a SPIRIT? Yes, she was.

Does it say married? My Bible says, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." It is implied they procreated, but I do not see marriage.

LOL, the battle of men and the strange Nephilim which left their first estate, is perhaps more obvious if you have an open mind... is this not a forum for discussion, or merely dogmatic views on grey areas?

"I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 5-7



Maybe, maybe more than simply big men. The Bible says, "they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." This sates they were men who were above others, in both size and ability. Could explain things like 900 ton cut stones on top of mountains. Maybe the gigantic offspring of women and demonic spirits, I sure don't know.
Funny thing, angels ALL APPEAR AS MEN in the Bible, and they still do today!
If you had an stranger next to you in the car he could be an angel and you wouldn't know it.
"And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the MEN which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Gen 19:5

By the way, if you married an axe murdering wife, does that mean you found favor with God? Some men have done that you know. Let's not be so condescending.



See my notes above on the CUBITS.


More condescending behavior.
You may not realize it, but to some the idea of a God in heaven is SCIENCE FICTION.
I'm not one of them.
Look, it's my thread, science fiction or not, I'm not being dogmatic here and I think it's okay to explore some of these things, and if you get offended or anything, kindly buzz off and stop telling me how to think. You are sold on the idea that the ?sons of God? were descendants of Seth, we get it, and I can respect that. Aside from the fact that the "sons of God" is used exclusively of angels in the Old Testament, there IS ROOM for more than one opinion here, as clearly shown by open minded Christian authors who present not only YOUR view but also this:

"?Sons of God? is clearly used of angels in Job 38:7. The Septuagint (LXX) here translates ?sons of God? as ?angels of God.? This need not mean that evil angels, or demons, actually cohabited with women. Nevertheless, evil angels on earth could have used the bodies of ungodly men, by demonic possession, to achieve their evil purpose of producing an evil generation of people (Gen. 6:12).7
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/ar ... hilim9.asp
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We don't need giants to account for the moving and using of large stones. Check out the tonnage of the stones used in Solomon's temple and those used in the pyramids - we know ordinary MEN built these. We may not know 3-4000 years later HOW they built them' date=' but we know they did.[/quote']
Actually there are some structures which are still puzzling. Did you read this?
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5b3.htm
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Does it say married? My Bible says, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." It is implied they procreated, but I do not see marriage.


Then you need to back up a couple of verses and tell me what it says.

Genesis 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose
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The Bible says the "sons of God" took wives.
This would have been Seth, Enoch, Methuselah and the others. They were believers. Believers = sons of God.

And the book of Jude does not say angels went after strange flesh. Their sin was that they "despised dominion".
Sodom and Gomorrah went after strange flesh.

If "sons of God" meant angels, it certainly would have said so.
There are several direct definitons of "sons of God" in the Bible, and they are all referring to Believers.
There is absolutely no direct defintion of sons of God as angels. It only says "morning stars" sang together and "sons of God shouted for joy. Make what you want out of it. But are you absolutely sure it means what you might think?

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Correct you are, the Nephilim took wives down here on earth!
And notice in that same passage how it carefully denotes first MEN, then the SONS OF GOD... :thumb


I agree, sons of God are fallen angels. We have had that discussion on here some 6 months or so back. Some were not to kind about my stand and got quite smarty in their remarks and I see thats coming again from those who believe they are not angels.

I know many good men who don't believe they're not angels who don't get the lest bit smarty on this subject when discussing it with someone who believes they were angels.

The thing is many people use human logic and say its not possible instead of taking things in the Bible in proper context on this subject.

But this is a subject that I can agree to disagree on. But thinking people will think the Bible is science fiction is not a logical reason for not teaching sons of God are not angels. Seems to me we can gather from God's Word that the big majority of people are not going to believe the Holy Bible is God's true word to mankind.

And I believe that is where many of the lost people who write science fiction stories got many of their ideas.
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I agree, sons of God are fallen angels.


Why would God, in Genesis, give a term to fallen angels - when elsewhere in the Word of God it always refers to holy (angels, Jesus, Adam before he fell) or redeemed (believers) creatures?
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I am not arguing that sons of God could refer to angels. I believe it does in various places. But those are holy angels or the angels before they fell. Are there any times in the whole Bible where this term is used to refer to an unholy creature?

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Thanks for your comments Bro. Jerry80871852, and thanks to everyone else!

Yes, I am not really here to argue, and I am not being dogmatic about any of this... just saying I have spent some time studying this and simply sharing my findings, as I said before, others may be right and I could be wrong, CAN I MAKE THAT ANY MORE PLAIN? But at the same time my friends---I think it is possible there may be more to these giants the Nephilim, entire books have been written on the subject, and I do find it very interesting! :thumb

Isn't it great that after being saved for 27 years and teaching adult Sunday School for over 10 years that one can still find the Bible so interesting? I love the Bible, and I do find it very interesting that the Hebrew word for Nephilim is "FALLEN ONES," and they were known as the Rephaim (Hebrew for 'PHANTOMS').

I also want to mention that I am well aware of the passage in Matthew 22, particularly the last two words in that passage, "IN HEAVEN". If we look at this without changing the KJV text, it is at least possible that the angels who left their first estate (Jude) GAVE UP HEAVEN in order to have relations with human women, and corrupt the DNA of man. They could not take wives in HEAVEN, but they looked upon the daughters of MEN and made a decision. Were the Nephilim stupid? Or were they attempting to corrupt all flesh with violence and destroy God's creation? I sure don't know.

"In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels IN HEAVEN." Matthew 22:23-30

It is interesting that in Genesis 3, God talks about putting enmity between "thy seed and her seed," and in the context, this appears to be referring to the SEED of the fallen angel, Lucifer!

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy SEED and her SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Gen 3:14-15

Here a few more opinions on the Nephilim...

http://www.bibledefenders.com/id17.html
http://bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm
http://raptureready.com/faq/faq333.html

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Thanks for your comments Bro. Jerry80871852, and thanks to everyone else!

Yes, I am not really here to argue, and I am not being dogmatic about any of this... just saying I have spent some time studying this and simply sharing my findings, as I said before, others may be right and I could be wrong, CAN I MAKE THAT ANY MORE PLAIN? But at the same time my friends---I think it is possible there may be more to these giants the Nephilim, entire books have been written on the subject, and I do find it very interesting! :thumb

Isn't it great that after being saved for 27 years and teaching adult Sunday School for over 10 years that one can still find the Bible so interesting? I love the Bible, and I do find it very interesting that the Hebrew word for Nephilim is "FALLEN ONES," and they were known as the Rephaim (Hebrew for 'PHANTOMS').

I also want to mention that I am well aware of the passage in Matthew 22, particularly the last two words in that passage, "IN HEAVEN". If we look at this without changing the KJV text, it is at least possible that the angels who left their first estate (Jude) GAVE UP HEAVEN in order to have relations with human women, and corrupt the DNA of man. They could not take wives in HEAVEN, but they looked upon the daughters of MEN and made a decision. Were the Nephilim stupid? Or were they attempting to corrupt all flesh with violence and destroy God's creation? I sure don't know.

"In the resurrection therefore whose wife of the seven shall she be? For they all had her." But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures, or the power of God. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels IN HEAVEN." Matthew 22:23-30

It is interesting that in Genesis 3, God talks about putting enmity between "thy seed and her seed," and in the context, this appears to be referring to the SEED of the fallen angel, Lucifer!

"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy SEED and her SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Gen 3:14-15

Here a few more opinions on the Nephilim...

http://www.bibledefenders.com/id17.html
http://bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm
http://raptureready.com/faq/faq333.html



"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy SEED and her SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Gen 3:14-15

Serpents have "seed" - angels do not! No such thing as angel/human hybrids - never was - never will be. It's not Biblical.

If God wants to make human beings itty biddy and small (pygmies and Picts, for instance) or great big and Giant - like Watusi or Goliath - that is up to him and perfectly within his power to do so. Perhaps just the mere fact that they were so tall and overpowering was what made them so MEAN! Most large people tend to be rather irritated by the short people among them (speaking as a short person myself).
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