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I have been doing a study on giants in ancient history, sometimes referred to as the Nephilim of the Bible (Numbers 13:32-33, Genesis 6:1-4), Sons of Anak, The Anakim, "Mound builders," Rephaim, The Adena, Ronnongwetowanca, or the Watchers. I am finding a lot of obscure references to old bones from all over the world---in Europe, Asia and North and South America, some of these refer to skeletons 10, 15, 25 feet and even bigger.

Of course some of these are going to be mere hoaxes (like the photoshopped giant human skeleton found in Saudi Arabia) and/or legends, but it is interesting that so many cultures have made mention of these giant men, the Nephilim, in ancient times, living all over the world.

One of the common traits seem to be "double rows of teeth" in some of the skulls, but I cannot seem to find any physical existing examples of those. Many of these references are from the 1800's or early 1900's, and several are from what is now the Ohio River Valley and New York. Anyone who has more information on the Nephilim, please let me know, here are a few links I have at least partially explored...


http://bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm

http://www.nwcreation.net/nephilim.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/830123/posts

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 94629FD7CF

http://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga2/sagawt0a.htm

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/charts/charts.html

http://www.geocities.com/age_of_giants/ ... lders.html

http://www.ldolphin.org/nephilim.html

http://paranormal.about.com/od/mysterio ... 060605.htm

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/giants.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ton_2.html

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Double rows of teeth?!

Anyway my dad who studies Creation believes that before the flood, with the absense of harmful UV rays and the increased atmospheric pressure caused by the water vapor canopy, that everything--plants, animals, and even humans--were able to grow much bigger. You can see many insects and reptiles that were huge back then....fruit that was huge...and archaeology and Bible references point to men who were huge as well.

Probably a mix of leftover genetics from antediluvian times.

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What about giants in modern history?
There have been hundreds, if not thousands of people aflicted with abnormal giantism even in modern times.
Do you suppose there were pituitary giants before the flood? Well...let's see...the human race was already cursed, people got diseases, there was most likely cancer, heart disease, genetic defects and hormonal anomalies....

Pituitary giantism
What do you suppose folks with growth hormone defects were called "in the earth in those days"??
Then you have groups like the Philistines with a population of untold thousands...what would be the chance of some individuals being aflicted with pituitary problems? Would one man say..."behold, there goeth a giant"? And another answer "Nay, he hath but a pituitary condition"? Of course not. If somebody like Robert Wadlow had lived in Biblical times, he would have simply been considered a "giant".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadlow
http://zhzh.info/news/2006-09-29-435

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There are many other factors that contribute to how tall people become.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/ ... KL00.shtml

The Dutch are the world's tallest people thanks to their nation's health and wealth

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands, Sep. 15, 2006
By ARTHUR MAX Associated Press Writer
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(AP) Most of us are taller than our parents, who probably are taller than their parents. But in the Netherlands, the generational progression has reached new heights.

In the last 150 years, the Dutch have become the tallest people on Earth _ and experts say they're still getting bigger. It is a tale of a nation's health and wealth.

Prosperity propelled the collective growth spurt that began in the mid-1800s and was only interrupted during the harsh years of the Nazi occupation in the 1940s _ when average heights actually declined.

With their protein-rich diet and a national health service that pampers infants, the Dutch are standing taller than ever. The average Dutchman stands just over 6 feet, while women average nearly 5-foot-7.

Ask Pieter Gijselaar about the problems of the very tall.

At more than 6-feet-10 1/2, he spends a lot of time ducking through doorways and guarding against minor head injuries. In an economy-class airline seat, he only fits in the emergency exit row. He had to have the seat of his Volkswagen Golf specially fitted and blocks put under the legs to raise his office desk.

But Gijselaar, a 28-year-old real estate agent, says he has it easier than his father, who is 6-foot-5.

"Buying clothes and shoes is not a problem anymore. You can always find stores that sell large sizes," he said. "But it's not cheap. I don't get any discounts off the rack."

Though people tend to stare, Gijselaar says being head, shoulders and trunk above everyone else makes an impression. "People don't forget me. If you meet me a year from now, you'll remember who I am."

The Dutch were not noted for their height until recently. It was only in the 1950s that they passed the Americans, who stood tallest for most of the last 200 years, said John Komlos, a leading expert on the subject who is professor of economic history at the University of Munich in Germany. He said the United States has now fallen behind Denmark.

Many Dutch are much taller than average. So many, in fact, that four years ago the government adjusted building codes to raise the standards for door frames and ceilings. Doors must now be 7-feet, 6 1/2-inches high.

For years, the Dutch national air carrier had an agreement with the Tall People's Club to give preference to club members for front seats with extra leg room. The airline scrapped the deal last year because of complaints of discrimination by more normal-sized people, club spokesman Paul van Sprundel said.

Though that was a setback, the national railway did ask the club to try out seats for new railway cars.

"More and more people are becoming aware of our needs," Van Sprundel said.

The club has a membership of 2,000 individuals and families, or about 4,500 people including children. But Van Sprundel said the requirements are minimal, to conform with similar clubs in other countries _ about 6-foot-3 for men and 5-foot-11 for women.

By those standards, he estimates about 800,000 people would qualify in this country of 16 million.

It wasn't always this way.

In 1848, one man out of four was rejected by the Dutch military because he was shorter than 5-foot-2. Today, fewer than one in 1,000 is that short.

George Maat, an anthropologist at Leiden University Medical Center, cites a study done in 1861 correlating the height of conscripts to the availability and price of rye, then the main food crop. One year after a poor crop, the number of men rejected as too short shot up.

Height appears to come naturally with the territory. Two thousand years ago, the men of the Low Countries stood about 5-foot-9 _ tall for the age _ and were enlisted as guards for the Roman emperor, Maat said.

Average heights declined over the next 1,800 years as food supply failed to keep pace with population growth and people moved into disease-ridden cities, said Maat. He spoke from his office, cluttered with leg bones and skulls, overlooking a grassy quadrangle that is the burial site of thousands killed by plague in 1635.

Even during the 17th century, when Amsterdam was the world's richest city, wealth was concentrated in the hands of a few merchants and average height did not increase.

It took until World War I for the Dutch to regain the 4 inches they lost over two millennia.

As lifestyles improve, Maat said the average height of a Dutch man could reach 6-foot-3 within 50 years. The influx of immigrants from North Africa may slow the growth rate, but their descendants could catch up in a few generations.

But wealth doesn't explain everything. Scandinavians, who are among the world's tallest people at 6 feet, are not getting taller on average, apparently hitting their genetic glass ceiling.

"With better food, Pygmies will increase in height, but you will never make Dutchmen out of them. It's just not there in the genes," Maat said.

"Since we are still on the move, we don't know where it's going to end," he said. "It's upward, yes, but how far upward we don't know."

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I think that before the flood human beings had the best of all living environments - the most vitamin and mineral enriched food, the freshest air, the purest water, etc and this contributed to them being really tall. The Dutch have shown that just this alone makes people taller.

However, there are still many tall tribes in the world today. God created them to be that way. The men are seven feet tall and are not considered abnormal. They do not suffer from hyperthoriodism or anything of that sort. They dont take steroids or growth hormones to make them big either. They are just naturally TALL.

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Afric ... rica1.html

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I think that before the flood human beings had the best of all living environments - the most vitamin and mineral enriched food, the freshest air, the purest water, etc and this contributed to them being really tall. The Dutch have shown that just this alone makes people taller.

However, there are still many tall tribes in the world today. God created them to be that way. The men are seven feet tall and are not considered abnormal. They do not suffer from hyperthoriodism or anything of that sort. They dont take steroids or growth hormones to make them big either. They are just naturally TALL.

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/Afric ... rica1.html


Absolutely.
There were undoubtedly whole people groups then who were "giants" just as there are today. That would account for the ones in the Bible.
The "angel hybrid" proponents not only have to take this into account, but also the occurence of pituitary giants cannot be ruled out.
Like I pointed out, the ancients would not have stipulated that a person had a hormone problem; a person with pituitary giantism would have been called one of the "giants".
So, unless the "angels" did more "cohabiting" :loco .....AFTER the flood, both Goliath of Gath and king Og may have had this condition. Robert Wadlow was just short of 9' tall when he died at 22, and doctors said that he probably had not finished growing.
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Like I pointed out, the ancients would not have stipulated that a person had a hormone problem; a person with pituitary giantism would have been called one of the "giants"....
both Goliath of Gath and king Og may have had this condition. Robert Wadlow was just short of 9' tall when he died at 22, and doctors said that he probably had not finished growing.


One thing to note is that pituitary giantism today often tends to be crippling. If I recall Robert Wadlow was mostly confined to a weelchair. A considerable contrast to goliath who was "a man of war from his youth". Even big guys aren't going to make it in battle without plenty of speed and good reflexes.
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The average height of Americans tends to be somewhat taller than most other nations, even though Americans are descended from numerous other cultures. Our access to diet and other health benefits could be a factor. The average height has been increasing on the past few years, so it could reasonably be argued that people back then were somewhat smaller, but more than a half a dozen inches short would be fairly implausible.

There, today, exists tribes in Africa with great height (averaging around 7 feet) and small stature (averaging around 4 feet). So it's also reasonable that a tall race of people could have existed in the levant at some point in history, but the Bible mentions them more as random occurances rather than people groups. Even Goliath's family, while mentioned, were not mentioned as being tall.

But there is another factor to consider. When groups have a genetically closed society for a long length of time, that particular gene pool takes on an intersting property. While bad genes get bred out, good genes don't necessarily get bred in. the result is that while they survive, they tend to be somewhat weakened. However, when two such groups get together and intermarry, their immediiate descendants have remarkable genetic strength. Excamples are the hybrid vigor found in mongrol dogs and the strength and endurance of the thorougbred horse, which is a cross between two genetically closed horse types.

When the sons of God (Seth's descendants) intermarried with the daugters of men (Cain's descendants) "men of reknown" were produced. That was the first mention of that phenomenon. The fallacious idea of genetic purity has haunted societies for millenia, and when those societies eventually intermarry woth other groups, traits emerge that were hidden before. It's very conceivable that such an event could produce giants of the stature mentioned in the Bible.

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One thing to note is that pituitary giantism today often tends to be crippling. If I recall Robert Wadlow was mostly confined to a weelchair. A considerable contrast to goliath who was "a man of war from his youth". Even big guys aren't going to make it in battle without plenty of speed and good reflexes.


That's a good point. But there is no doubt that many guys like Robert Wadlow existed back then and would have been called "giants".
There are quite a few pro basketball players and a few pro wrestlers who are huge guys too.

I agree with you Danny: the sons of God were descendents of Seth. I also believe that sons of God are believers throughout the Bible.
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Wow, I guess you all might be correct, but it strikes me that those are mostly very naturalistic views.
I think the giants of the Bible were not merely tall tribes or victims of hormone issues, but a GLOBAL RACE of violent creatures unlike anything seen today, and they hold a key to understanding the fall of man, and also the reason for the destruction of the entire population of the planet. The word NEPHILIM means FALLEN ONES, and Israel was instructed to kill them all for a reason! They don't strike me as basketball players. That should stir the pot, lol... :thumb

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Wow, I guess you all might be correct, but it strikes me that those are mostly very naturalistic views.
I think the giants of the Bible were not merely tall tribes or victims of hormone issues, but a GLOBAL RACE of violent creatures unlike anything seen today, and they hold a key to understanding the fall of man, and also the reason for the destruction of the entire population of the planet. The word NEPHILIM means FALLEN ONES, and Israel was instructed to kill them all for a reason! They don't strike me as basketball players. That should stir the pot, lol... :thumb


The Bible says the earth was destroyed by a flood....
Now I'm going to give you the reason...
I KNOW the reason without a shadow of a doubt...
Are you ready for this???
Here goes...
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because the "wickedness of MAN was great"
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I think the giants of the Bible were not merely tall tribes or victims of hormone issues' date=' but a GLOBAL RACE of violent creatures unlike anything seen today, and they hold a key to understanding the fall of man, and also the reason for the destruction of the entire population of the planet.[/quote']

Creatures? The Bible teaches they were men. If you are trying to indicate that the sons of God were fallen angels, and therefore their "offspring" was mutated - the passage indicates the giants were there BEFORE the sons of God intermarried with the daughters of men.



Actually, they were instructed specifically to kill ALL the Canaanites - and a study of their religion and practices shows how evil they were as a whole. They had gotten to the point where they were now ripe for God's judgment:

Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
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Seems Americans have plenty to eat, but it seems the majority are getting broader more so than taller.

I'm just a bit over 5' 10', back in the early 90's when I met some of my birth family for the first time, one of my cousins asked me how I got so tall. Seems most that were on my mothers side of the family were all shorter than my 5' 10".

I noticed this with the kitten we have. We got it from a mother cat and Linda's dads. When we got it all of the kittens were the same size at Thanksgiving. Now the mother has just one left, its quite a bit larger than the one we have which I have been feeding it kitten cat food.

Maybe mothers milk grows stronger and larger cats.

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The Bible says the earth was destroyed by a flood....
Now I'm going to give you the reason...
I KNOW the reason without a shadow of a doubt...
Are you ready for this???
Here goes...
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because the "wickedness of MAN was great"

Sarcastic, but cute.
Yes, I think it is possible the Nephilim corrupted everything and it's possible they were extremely violent!
"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence." Gen 6:11
"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Gen 6:13

Many cultures around the world have at least some primitive record of these giants, did you take a look at the links I provided in post no. 1? I'm not talking about flying saucers here, I'm just saying I think it's very possible that these giants were a much bigger part of the antediluvian earth than many people realize! You don't want to believe it fine, but try and have an open mind. Some believe the Nephilim have left their handiwork all around the world in ancient ruins...

The fact is, there are cut stone pieces on mountains in Bolivia that weigh over 900 TONS, located at an elevation of over 12,000 feet. There is a giant wharf in Puma Punka with one cut stone at 440 TONS. Cutting and moving material this size and weight would be questionable even with today's technology, you can read about that here:
http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/bol ... anaco.html

The ruins of Baalbek in Lebanon contains the amazing 1000 TON Stone of the South, which weighs approximately as much as three Boeing 747 aircraft, along with the Trilithon---giant granite stones beautifully fitted together at a height of 20 feet above present ground level. These cut stones are fitted so tightly that you cannot fit a knife or even a needle between them, and it would be a serious challenge for even today's engineers to move something like that even a short distance, you can read about the Trilithon of Baalbek here:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5b3.htm

Again, I am not a stupid person, all I am suggesting is there are some things in the ancient world (like the Nephilim) which we have only begun to understand and may never really know about until the Lord shows us later. My study continues...

"...The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." Numbers 13:32-33
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Likewise, Boese said, the recent giant hoax "taps into people's desire for mystery and their desire to see concrete confirmation of religious legends."
Here's where the quote came from. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ton_2.html

The world laughs at us with good reason when we misinterpret the word of God and tell science FICTION stories...even from the pulpit. I once heard a preacher say that Goliath was 13 feet tall. Another told about angels "cohabiting" with women and dared you to disagree! Hate to break the news to you but angels did not "cohabit" with women. The Bible says "sons of God" MARRIED...did you read that?? They took WIVES. The bible says he that findeth a wife findeth a good thing and obtaineth favor of the Lord. I've got me one and I can tell you...the word of God is true. Did "fallen angels" obtain favour of the lord??


Giants were simply big MEN

2Sa 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of [great] stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

I once had a cat with extra toes on her feet....reckon she was descended from space aliens or angels? This man had six figers and six toes on all his limbs; That simply means he had birth defects. People today are born with this same condition. He didn't climb down the beanstalk and he didn't have angel DNA. He was the son of Goliath of Gath. How big was Goliath??? Read on.....

1Sa 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height [was] six cubits and a span.

"Six cubits and a span" happens to be about 9 1/2', give or take and inch or two. This is credible. Goliath was simply a very big man.
He was NOT an angel/human hybrid and he was only about six inches taller than Robert Wadlow.

Why don't we stick with the Word of God and leave the science fiction alone? I can find more than enough reality to amaze me without resorting to fantasy.
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Many cultures around the world have at least some primitive record of these giants, did you take a look at the links I provided in post no. 1? I'm not talking about flying saucers here, I'm just saying I think it's very possible that these giants were a much bigger part of the antediluvian earth than many people realize! You don't want to believe it fine, but try and have an open mind. Some believe the Nephilim have left their handiwork all around the world in ancient ruins...

The fact is, there are cut stone pieces on mountains in Bolivia that weigh over 900 TONS, located at an elevation of over 12,000 feet. There is a giant wharf in Puma Punka with one cut stone at 440 TONS. Cutting and moving material this size and weight would be questionable even with today's technology, you can read about that here:
http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/bol ... anaco.html


Biblical-giants book soars up charts
'The Nephilim' explains ancient pyramids, future events



All speculation about the origin of the Nephilim aside, there is some problem with assigning these feats of engineering to antediluvian (pre-flood) Nephilim. The Flood was a global, catastrophic event, which some scientists theorize would have reshaped the face of the earth, probably creating a lot of the mountains we see today. If that is the case, any mountain-top structures would have to be post-diluvian. Also, aren't the layers of sediment (and the fossils therein) considered by Creation scientists to be laid down by the flood? The Egyptian pyramids were largely created of limestone, which is a sedimentary rock. How could they be made before the Flood with rock created by the Flood?

I don't like to see such structures attributed to antediluvian anything, as such attributions seem to subtly undermine the actual vastness and effect of the Flood.

That being said, maybe they were built by post-Flood Nephilim! :wink
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