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Christian just means 'follower of Jesus Christ'

I know someone in the town square here in Christchurch (Cathedral Square) back in the mid 2000s.. would set up a sign saying he was not a christian, but a follower of Yeshua.  

Doing the thing of making christian to be not the word for a believer.. going back to original terms.. 

But in this kind of legalism, they would probably call people who designate themselves as christian, as not even saved!

Also, they would probably attach a bunch of other doctrine to being a follower of Yeshua and not 'christian' that is not biblical.

But anyway.. as most of us would know.. followers of Jesus were given the nickname 'christians' in Acts:

 

Act_11:26  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

I am a follower of Christ.. therefore 'Christian' is all good! 🙂

 

 

 

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The OP was a question to stir up some thinking for discussion. 

I am a disciple of Christ, if a Christian is a believer in Christ (some are in name only) they are my brother or sister in the Lord, saints by grace, and my brethren.

All are good Biblical names for those who are redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, trusting in Him by faith. Additionally, they would be followers of God...

Matthew 12:49   And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Acts 5:14   And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.)
Ephesians 5:1   Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

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I think you can get some Messianic Jews who take issue with being called 'christian'

I've seen it in other forums where anyone can post in them.  It seems they will call Jesus (or Yeshua) the Messiah.. but then not quite give Him fully God status.  Doing what some others do in attributing fully God status only to the Father.  Jesus becomes a great prophet or 'demi-god'.  Denial of the trinity.

They will embrace Jesus-- but still have the OT way of service.  Accept the 4 gospels but reject Pauline letters plus other NT  books.

Then you get Jews who are completely bible believing and their Jewishness is in observing the feasts in remembrance, but they completely accept the whole NT and Jesus as fully God.

 

 

 

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On 11/28/2022 at 2:23 PM, MikeWatson1 said:

I think you can get some Messianic Jews who take issue with being called 'christian'

I've seen it in other forums where anyone can post in them.  It seems they will call Jesus (or Yeshua) the Messiah.. but then not quite give Him fully God status.  Doing what some others do in attributing fully God status only to the Father.  Jesus becomes a great prophet or 'demi-god'.  Denial of the trinity.

They will embrace Jesus-- but still have the OT way of service.  Accept the 4 gospels but reject Pauline letters plus other NT  books.

Then you get Jews who are completely bible believing and their Jewishness is in observing the feasts in remembrance, but they completely accept the whole NT and Jesus as fully God.

 

 

 

Why were the Messianic Jews brought into this? Just as a side note?

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On 12/13/2022 at 2:08 PM, 1Timothy115 said:

Why were the Messianic Jews brought into this? Just as a side note?

Oh, I was just thinking about people who will say the believe in Jesus, but actually make him lesser than the Father.  

Alot of messianic Jews seem to do this in my experience as an example.

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I saw a fair number of Messianic Jews years ago,  and none of them as I recall indicated Jesus any lesser than the Father ever,  in practice nor in teaching. 

As far as the name, title , or label "Christian",  most people who identify themselves as "Christian" for about , what, 1700 years now,   are not at all followers of Jesus.   The name , title, or label "Christian" has been co-opted /is that the right word/  for billions of people who never once thought they should even try to follow Jesus,  but who 'joined' some or another group to get the benefits there-of for being 'Christian' as they were told by the groups who actually ignore Jesus but claim all the benefits as if they belonged to Him.

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On 12/26/2022 at 9:19 PM, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

I saw a fair number of Messianic Jews years ago,  and none of them as I recall indicated Jesus any lesser than the Father ever,  in practice nor in teaching. 

As far as the name, title , or label "Christian",  most people who identify themselves as "Christian" for about , what, 1700 years now,   are not at all followers of Jesus.   The name , title, or label "Christian" has been co-opted /is that the right word/  for billions of people who never once thought they should even try to follow Jesus,  but who 'joined' some or another group to get the benefits there-of for being 'Christian' as they were told by the groups who actually ignore Jesus but claim all the benefits as if they belonged to Him.

Interesting thoughts presented; I might like to examine the source for the statements. Where did you find your information?

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On 11/17/2022 at 3:34 PM, 1Timothy115 said:

NT usage according to http://kjvbible.net/:
Christian 3 times.
Believers 6 times.
Saints 62 times.
Brother 109 and Sister 25 times apiece.
Brethren 229 times.

I thought about this topic for some time after reading your post.

While I don't see any issue with being described as a Christian I notice that I will often avoid it and using terms like believer instead.

The reason I started being cautious about using the word Christian is because certain churches or denominations have their own definitions of who is really a Christian.

As an example, if you go to a church of Christ you will notice that when they refer to "Christians" they talking specifically about others who believe as they do.

When I use the word "Christians" I am typically referring to of all the redeemed not any specific group. 

I ran into the same hair splitting definitions even in IFB churches. One deacon in particular would correct me if I referred to someone who had non baptist beliefs. I can remember a conversation with him where I made the comment that I liked the word "disciple" and he immediately associated it with the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) denomination even though my opinion had absolutely nothing to do with them.

I do think it's important to choose any kind of label we use based on who we are speaking to. The word Christian is used by so many people that it can be difficult for them ro know exactly who we are referring to.

I remember when Trump was elected president he posed for a picture with Paula White and several other TBN frauds and it felt uncomfortable to me that these misfits had become the face of "Christianity" advising the President and possibly seen as what the Christian Right Republicans believed in.

By far my favorite description is in Acts 9 when Luke refers to the believers as followers of "The Way".

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