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Of course, this has no bearing on anything negative to do with the show (ha, ha, sarcasm for the win!!):

The character of Jesus just quoted the book of Mormon in the trailer for season three of the show - "I am the law of Moses."

Mormon influence, ecumenical work uniting false Christs (what is the plural of Jesus) together, something to be avoided if you care about truth? Naw, that would just be legalistic and judgemental and unloving and... Oh, no one is still reading this thread...

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9 hours ago, Jerry said:

Of course, this has no bearing on anything negative to do with the show (ha, ha, sarcasm for the win!!):

The character of Jesus just quoted the book of Mormon in the trailer for season three of the show - "I am the law of Moses."

Mormon influence, ecumenical work uniting false Christs (what is the plural of Jesus) together, something to be avoided if you care about truth? Naw, that would just be legalistic and judgemental and unloving and... Oh, no one is still reading this thread...

Yes, the Mormon influence is clear, and was even admitted in the program that Kirk Cameron has. It's truly a shame that he is linking up the Mormon's here, calling them "Brothers." Their religion IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE Christian. 

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10 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Yes, the Mormon influence is clear, and was even admitted in the program that Kirk Cameron has. It's truly a shame that he is linking up the Mormon's here, calling them "Brothers." Their religion IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE Christian. 

Acceptance of false gospels seems commonly agreed upon in non fundamental Christian thinking. It's not that far of a stretch considering those same Christians most likely see Joel Osteen as someone to be admired so when he refuses to call LDS non Christians on Larry King live it leaves an impression on them. Honestly I don't see much difference between LDS beliefs and the Televangelists who refer to humans as "little God's" and emphasize the  same tithing schemes.

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21 hours ago, Jerry said:

Of course, this has no bearing on anything negative to do with the show (ha, ha, sarcasm for the win!!):

The character of Jesus just quoted the book of Mormon in the trailer for season three of the show - "I am the law of Moses."

Mormon influence, ecumenical work uniting false Christs (what is the plural of Jesus) together, something to be avoided if you care about truth? Naw, that would just be legalistic and judgemental and unloving and... Oh, no one is still reading this thread...

I've been hearing that season 3 is coming soon. Well, I may have to watch some of it and save my critiques for later.

 

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I just started to watch this show (just starting the 5th episode) and there are loads of issues with it already.  Peter is portrayed as being a dishonest, manipulative, disobedient con man with debts.  Nicodemus is shown attempting to exorcise a demon from Mary Magdalene, Peter is shown having his ear sliced by a Roman guard (probably the foreshadowing of a future explanation for Peter having severed the ear of Malchus).  These are just a few examples.

So far, the vast majority of his show is complete speculative or revisionist fiction.  Some might say that "artistic license" is acceptable for shows like this, but I disagree 100%.  If this show was not based on God's Word, they could do whatever they like, as far as I'm concerned.  But I do not believe we have any right to add to, take away from, manipulate, paraphrase, or, in any other way, change God's Word.

(Revelation 22:18-19) "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: {19} And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

If I were connected to the production of this show, I would be absolutely TERRIFIED!
 

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I was just watching an interview with the actor who portrays Jesus in the series and he was talking about how , during the break between season 2 and season 3, he played the role of Lonnie Frisbee in another forthcoming film entitled, "Jesus Revolution" (coming Feb 2023)  Lonnie Frisbee was a very well known and influential hippie preacher, who was also an active homosexual who died of AIDS.

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I enjoyed watching the show as a hypothetical thing,  but get more troubled now by the background of it. 

 

I like the way they portray the miracles Jesus did. And the acting and cinema photography is good.  

 

But I didn't like the way Jesus seemed to be 'becoming God' rather than fully God off the bat.

I'm watching the lumo series gospel films.. those seem to be the most accurate Jesus films so far.

Baptism is by immersion.  Jesus is portrayed as God from the start. You can see it with KJV narration word for word.  

Similar to the chosen.. the actors look Jewish.. Greek.. Roman etc.

 

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In the beginning of episode 5, During a flashback scene, Joseph tells Jesus that his going to the temple without telling them, causing them to have to look for him, was a transgression and makes him promise to never do it again.  Joseph asks Jesus, "What are you going to do for your mother for this transgression?"  It was said in passing and, perhaps, partly in jest, but that line was intentionally written.  It may be a minor line, but it accuses Jesus of having sinned.   

Later in the episode, Christ and some of the disciples are walking to the wedding in Cana and Jesus says, "The most important and powerful person I know will be there: My mother."   In that same scene, Jesus describes himself as a "clumsy teenager who cracked my head open" at a childhood party.

Mary is helping to decorate for the wedding and she says, "We had a wedding, it just wasn't like everyone else's"  When asked, "Why not?" Mary responds by saying, "You know why," and pantomimes a pregnant belly.  The other woman says, "I would have gone."  This is all implying that Mary and Joseph had a shotgun wedding and that they were ostracized and shamed.

The woman goes on to ask Mary about how Jesus is doing, since she hasn't seen him in a long time.  She says, "I bet he's handsome... I bet he is." And Mary seems to confirm it.  (The actor chosen to portray him has quite the female fanbase because of his handsome appearance.)
However, (Isaiah 53:2) "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." 

They perpetuate the fallacy that Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding.
They show Jesus fooling children with the deceptive, slight-of-hand trick of cups and balls (like today's three card monty).  This sows the seed that Jesus used tricks and illusions in his ministry. 

There are very involved story lines that have no connection to scripture, whatsoever.  They are just fanciful speculation.  It all serves to dilute the truth of God's Word and inject doubt and uncertainty and a carelessness about His Word.

(By the way, I am intentionally not capitalizing the pronouns in reference to the Jesus character in the show.)

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12 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

In the beginning of episode 5, During a flashback scene, Joseph tells Jesus that his going to the temple without telling them, causing them to have to look for him, was a transgression and makes him promise to never do it again.  Joseph asks Jesus, "What are you going to do for your mother for this transgression?"  It was said in passing and, perhaps, partly in jest, but that line was intentionally written.  It may be a minor line, but it accuses Jesus of having sinned.   

Later in the episode, Christ and some of the disciples are walking to the wedding in Cana and Jesus says, "The most important and powerful person I know will be there: My mother."   In that same scene, Jesus describes himself as a "clumsy teenager who cracked my head open" at a childhood party.

Mary is helping to decorate for the wedding and she says, "We had a wedding, it just wasn't like everyone else's"  When asked, "Why not?" Mary responds by saying, "You know why," and pantomimes a pregnant belly.  The other woman says, "I would have gone."  This is all implying that Mary and Joseph had a shotgun wedding and that they were ostracized and shamed.

The woman goes on to ask Mary about how Jesus is doing, since she hasn't seen him in a long time.  She says, "I bet he's handsome... I bet he is." And Mary seems to confirm it.  (The actor chosen to portray him has quite the female fanbase because of his handsome appearance.)
However, (Isaiah 53:2) "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him." 

They perpetuate the fallacy that Jesus made alcoholic wine at the wedding.
They show Jesus fooling children with the deceptive, slight-of-hand trick of cups and balls (like today's three card monty).  This sows the seed that Jesus used tricks and illusions in his ministry. 

There are very involved story lines that have no connection to scripture, whatsoever.  They are just fanciful speculation.  It all serves to dilute the truth of God's Word and inject doubt and uncertainty and a carelessness about His Word.

(By the way, I am intentionally not capitalizing the pronouns in reference to the Jesus character in the show.)

Yeah.. this is why now I'm not so keen to see the next season. 

It was subtly making Jesus out to be not yet God and also made him out to be unsure of some things. 

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25 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

So, given the inconsistencies, heresy and "made up stuff", why watch it at all? 

I'm watching it as a study and for purposes of warning.  It is an hugely popular series and there are many people being influenced by it.  Many people's only exposure to biblical stories are through the perverted lens of the entertainment industry.  I want to be prepared to refute the errors and nonsense and tell them the real stories.  It's not just the lost who are being manipulated.

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There is a lot to be said about being careful about what you expose yourself to. Too much confidence in our own abilities, strengths and knowledge can be a trap.

2 Peter 3:17 (KJV) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

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On 11/28/2022 at 8:13 PM, Brother Stafford said:

They show Jesus fooling children with the deceptive, slight-of-hand trick of cups and balls (like today's three card monty).  This sows the seed that Jesus used tricks and illusions in his ministry. 

There are very involved story lines that have no connection to scripture, whatsoever.  They are just fanciful speculation.  It all serves to dilute the truth of God's Word and inject doubt and uncertainty and a carelessness about His Word.

1. The book of Daniel says in several places that the Antichrist will come into power through craft, deception, trickery.

2. The forerunner for this show, Dallas Jenkins, admits that 85% of the show is created by the writers and is not based on the Bible.

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I can't believe this can is still being kicked around. 

I won't accuse any Christian who watches the Chosen. There is liberty given to believers in Christ. I personally will not make effort to see it. If I were in a home where others were watching the Chosen, I wouldn't tell them to turn it off or I would have to leave.

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No one is knocking other believers for watching it - BUT it is an act of love according to God to warn other believers of things that are sinful or that will harm them. It is not "liberty in Christ" to let false teachings or sinful/harmful things to go unchallenged - in fact, it is cowardice and sinful to do so.

Leviticus 19:17-18 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

The Bible teaches to expose and separate from false teachings - which means standing against them. You cannot do so and remain silent when it is there or in the lives of those around you.

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On 12/12/2022 at 5:21 PM, 1Timothy115 said:

If I were in a home where others were watching the Chosen, I wouldn't tell them to turn it off or I would have to leave.

I agree. It is their home. If something they watched in their own home bothered me, I would leave. If given an opportunity, I would attempt to talk about spiritually dangerous programs with them though.

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I hope that at the very least it would help a non Christian become interested in the Bible so they can search it out for themselves.

I remember when The Passion of Christ movie came out and how popular it became.

The movie was obviously heavily influenced by Catholic tradition but I think the controversy of it sparked the interest of people who were in spiritual darkness.

I had two tickets I bought from the church I was attending at the time but was having trouble finding someone to go with me. Surprisingly my non religious Uncle said he'd go with me.

What I remember most was the reaction of everyone during the flogging and crucifixion scenes. I seen people jump as if they had been hit themselves and even turn their faces away from the screen.

I certainly wouldn't recommend the Passion as a evangelism tool but I also have no doubt that after seeing it - some of them had to be drawn mentally to asking why Jesus was so hated, despised, and murdered.

I only pray that The Chosen can at the very least be the start of a search for salvation  for some 

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3 hours ago, Disciple.Luke said:

I hope that at the very least it would help a non Christian become interested in the Bible so they can search it out for themselves.

I remember when The Passion of Christ movie came out and how popular it became.

The movie was obviously heavily influenced by Catholic tradition but I think the controversy of it sparked the interest of people who were in spiritual darkness.

I had two tickets I bought from the church I was attending at the time but was having trouble finding someone to go with me. Surprisingly my non religious Uncle said he'd go with me.

What I remember most was the reaction of everyone during the flogging and crucifixion scenes. I seen people jump as if they had been hit themselves and even turn their faces away from the screen.

I certainly wouldn't recommend the Passion as a evangelism tool but I also have no doubt that after seeing it - some of them had to be drawn mentally to asking why Jesus was so hated, despised, and murdered.

I only pray that The Chosen can at the very least be the start of a search for salvation  for some 

I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree with that perspective. I even have a scripture that speaks to your experience and reasoning, you're probably as aware of as I am. Philippians 1:18 "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."

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On 1/19/2023 at 1:57 PM, Disciple.Luke said:

I hope that at the very least it would help a non Christian become interested in the Bible so they can search it out for themselves...

…I only pray that The Chosen can at the very least be the start of a search for salvation  for some 

The same could be said about The Last Temptation of Christ or the Lucifer television series.  “Yeah, they include false teachings, but, at least, they get people thinking and talking about Jesus.”

Shows and films like these are how more false teachings become widely held unbiblical beliefs.  God does not need to use lies, mixed with truth, to get people interested in Him.  Paul warned people to stay away from such people.

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17 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

The same could be said about The Last Temptation of Christ or the Lucifer television series.  “Yeah, they include false teachings, but, at least, they get people thinking and talking about Jesus.”

Shows and films like these are how more false teachings become widely held unbiblical beliefs.  God does not need to use lies, mixed with truth, to get people interested in Him.  Paul warned people to stay away from such people.

I respect your opinion brother. As with everyone on here who have been active for a long time I appreciate your knowledge and posts even if I don't completely agree with every post.

I make an effort to think through anything I post in an effort to avoid offending or being disrespectful even when I disagree. 

So if I have ever offend or have offended anyone on here...I sincerely apologize.

As for this topic - I trust your evaluation of the The Last Temptation movie to be accurate. I was still very young when that movie came out and other than knowing of the movie I don't have an opinion on it one way or the other.

I personally believe that anytime there is some biblical truth in film or book there is a potential for someone to be influenced to look deeper for the truth.

From my experience very few new Christians have even read 1/3 of the New Testament let alone the entirety of Scripture. It took me years of studying to get an understanding of the theological context of Gods plan.

My personal journey began with conversations with a Muslim. Even though he was attempting to convert to a false religion his attempt set me out on a search to find who God was and what "religion" truly reflected his will.

I believe that one of the reasons the LDS Church gains so many converts is because people pick up on Biblical truth that Joseph Smith stole and plagiarized in the Book of Mormon. 

I am aware of many LDS, JWs, and Muslims who eventually looked deeper into the true Jesus and became believers after being exposed to a distorted view or interpretation of his teaching.

Having said that I completely agree that any distortion of Biblical truth should be avoided and condemned. 

I don't believe God approves of or uses falsehood to "attract' unbelievers but at the same time I do believe some people can start a search for the true Gospel if they are exposed to an accurate Bible verse in any situation. 

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