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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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6 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I'm far from angry..I'm just surprised at how a clear word..."RECOVERY"...should be self explanatory...not that hard to understand...needs a definition to grown, allegedly EDUCATED adults. Morales...you're just trying to stir the pot...Razor, if you have to feign lack of intelligence, you're not worth conversing with.

I forgive you, many people have after stuff, after they had COVID. I am not a pot stirrer.

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3 minutes ago, E Morales said:

I forgive you, many people have after stuff, after they had COVID. I am not a pot stirrer.

Implying someone is angry when they're not IS stirring the pot, my friend. If the shoe fits....I'm not in need of your forgiveness...but if it makes you feel better, have at it! 🙂  Covid is a politicized weapon/issue the left is doing their best to exploit. 

5 minutes ago, Razor said:

If it is so clear, then why can't you define it? 

I said in my first post on this word that if they did not die they recovered. Do you agree?

So? You mentioned recovery...what are the stats on recovery? How many RECOVERED? No clear mention of the stat there...plus, the Covid deaths and infections are blown out of proportion, with many of those cases being nothing more than the common cold or the yearly influenza...

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4 hours ago, Razor said:

If it is so clear, then why can't you define it? 

I said in my first post on this word that if they did not die they recovered. Do you agree?

If you don't know the definition of the word...simple as it is...I can't help you. I'm NOT doing YOUR homework for you. You're far too old (older than I am by at least 12 years) and should know the meaning of the word. I don't play semantics with people, which is what YOU are trying to do. The meaning of the word is clear...It should be self evident.

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16 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

If you don't know the definition of the word...simple as it is...I can't help you. I'm NOT doing YOUR homework for you. You're far too old (older than I am by at least 12 years) and should know the meaning of the word. I don't play semantics with people, which is what YOU are trying to do. The meaning of the word is clear...It should be self evident.

I find you most amusing. But you do play semantics. That is what you have been doing and refusing to say what your understanding of the word is in context with your first statement using the word. 

I will know better than to take you seriously in the future.

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2 hours ago, Razor said:

I find you most amusing. But you do play semantics. That is what you have been doing and refusing to say what your understanding of the word is in context with your first statement using the word. 

I will know better than to take you seriously in the future.

That's funny...at least I KNOW what the word "recovered" means and don't have to have someone explain it to me. You continuously, whether with me, with Jerry, or with others, seem to keep trying to divert attention from your inability to communicate what you want. Sad, really...

Back to Covid....why is it that nobody seems to be willing to post the statistics of the number of recoveries along with the numbers of ALLEGED infected, intubated, or mortality rates? 

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I've recovered from a severe case. Bad enough the hospital asked me if I wanted to be ventilated and/or received CPR if needed.

I have two morbidities: Type 2 diabetes and asthma although my asthma never bothered me throughout.

From my personal experience by my treatment from the medical industry the death rates from Covid are as high as they are because of hospitals and doctors refusal to treat patients until it's too late. They have taken the "vax or die" stance. I had to make three trips to the emergency room as well as a trip to receive monoclonals. The first time the hospital sent me home after basically doing nothing for me. The emergency room doctor said I qualifed for monoclonal antibodies but her hands were tied. She gave me no other information on how to receive the treatment other than talk to my doctor. Of course, he was off for Thanksgiving and then even he stonewalled me claiming he never heard of such a treatment. If it wasn't for his nurse in training who said she knew about it and got the paperwork together I would never have received the treatment. That being said, a week had passed since the emergency room doctor told me I qualified and the treatment most likely came too late when I received it. The nurse at the hospital who treated me with monoclonals didn't understand why I couldn't receive it admittedly. I told her "talk to the top floor". So by this time I developed full blown pneumonia and this is when most Covid patients die. And not just that. Why did I have to run around sick for a week trying to set this treatment up? There was no attempt between the hospital and my doctor (who is my doctor no more) to communicate. I had to seek the treatment out myself and sign for release of my records to my doctor as well as receiving the OK from my insurance company to the doctor who gave me the treatment at the hospital. I was extremely sick running around outside in the cold weather. Remember, when doctors actually would come to your home when you were sick? I still do.

The second time I went to the hospital it was the stonewalling. By this time my O2 levels were below 90. No attempt at any treatment other than a course of steroids which I already took and they didn't do much.

The third time they finally admitted me for a day and were going to treat me with Remdesivir but never did. Just stronger steroids. They at least set me up with an oxygen compressor at home which I had to lug inside the house myself really suffering with full blown pneumonia (it was spread throughout my lungs not just one spot in my lungs how it usually is).

My point here is many people have died from Covid because of hospitals and doctors refusal to treat patients with any therapeutics until it is too late and we all know why this is happening. They did the same thing to my mother with the intention on letting her die and would of if my brother did go in there and "turn over some money changers tables".

The medical industry is receiving more federal money from having a higher death rate from Covid as well as pushing the failed vaccine. It always comes back to money. They refused to treat me early on with anything that might help including Ivermectin because they would lose money over this.

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2 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Thanks for posting this; it is good to hear this from someone who has experienced it first hand and is not "hearsay".

I hope you make a full recovery and will pray to that affect.

My experience has been somewhat like SureWord's. I had to drive myself to the ER the day after my diagnosis was confirmed. The ER got me into an ER room pretty quickly (It's an extension of Vanderbilt, so they had better) and they x-rayed my lungs, took my vitals, drew blood, and rans tests. I had passed out from lack of oxygen, and woke up on the floor in my kitchen. My wife was at work and I was alone, so I had to drive myself to the ER...No ambulance! The nurse, who was against the Covid vaxxines because of the evidence of problematic events, came in to see me several times, but had been told NOT to "do much" because I hadn't been vaccinated. They were like this with several other unvaxxed people in the ER at that time. Those who WERE vaccinated got treatment to varying degrees. I, like SureWord, have the co-morbidities of asthma, and diabetes, but, I also have bilateral Menieres disease, COPD, and a few other  challenges. 

I was advised by the ER physician to let my family physician know of my diagnosis, and I did. My own doctor refused to treat me because of my vax status. As of this past week, he lost me as a patient, and my wife's doctor, who is in the same practice, lost my wife for the same reason. TriStar systems are some of the WORST in Tennessee. My now former doctor has refused to refill my diabetes medication, but refilled the nano pins for injections, refused to refill my asthma meds, and has refused to check my diabetes stats/bloodwork for my A1C's, etc. His lack of "care" is unprofessional and more than disappointing. I've lodged a complaint with the medical board here in Tennessee though I don't expect much to be done about it. I attached a copy of the "Oath" that doctors take when they get their licenses, and have shown where he should lose his license for not following his oath. I hated doing it, but unprofessionalism deserves to be notated on his record!

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A top cardiologist discusses the study about the jab vs. natural immunity! If natural immunity is no good, it would be the first time in history that this was the case! 

 

https://civildeadline.com/watch-top-cardiologist-discusses-shocking-study-regarding-jab-vs-virus/

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12 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

A top cardiologist discusses the study about the jab vs. natural immunity! If natural immunity is no good, it would be the first time in history that this was the case! 

 

https://civildeadline.com/watch-top-cardiologist-discusses-shocking-study-regarding-jab-vs-virus/

Natural immunity is great, but few have it. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/12/17/how-omicron-evades-natural-immunity-vaccination-and-monoclonal-antibody-treatments/?sh=5564fa7860e0

 

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41 minutes ago, Razor said:

Thankfully, my wife and I do. We've had the virus 2x...once in December of 2019 before they knew what Covid was....and then August/September of this year with the delta variant. My bout with delta nearly became deadly, as I have several underlying medical challenges. But, the immunity was there to some extent, though it was starting to wane a bit. I've been around people in the past few months with delta and probably the omicron variant, but I won't get it, or shouldn't get it, again for quite a while if at all. The last blood test showed that I had a good amount of cells to fight it.

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8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Thankfully, my wife and I do. We've had the virus 2x...once in December of 2019 before they knew what Covid was....and then August/September of this year with the delta variant. My bout with delta nearly became deadly, as I have several underlying medical challenges. But, the immunity was there to some extent, though it was starting to wane a bit. I've been around people in the past few months with delta and probably the omicron variant, but I won't get it, or shouldn't get it, again for quite a while if at all. The last blood test showed that I had a good amount of cells to fight it.

 That's great Tony.

I remember, years ago watching a program about the deadly Black Plague that killed so many in Europe some hundreds of years ago. There were reports of people who took care of the sick but never became ill themselves. Common sense would say those who took care of the ill, handled their clothes, came in contact with their fluids and waste products should have become ill, but didn't. Through DNA testing it was determined their bodies produced a type of killer T cells that were different from the vast majority and that is why they did not become ill. Then in the 20th century it was found there were prostitutes in Africa where HIV and AIDS began who never contacted had bodies that produced the same type of killer T cell. 

It seems to me this is a demonstration of how God, through nature, protects a species from becoming totally wiped out. That is simply my take on this. 

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Coronavirus Can Spread to Heart, Brain Days After Infection and can survive for months in organs, according to a new study by the National Institutes of Health.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211228/coronavirus-can-spread-heart-brain?ecd=soc_fb_221229_cons_news_covidbrainheart&linkId=100000099357264&fbclid=IwAR01Te4Xm-P_uEFvjmAloMdhroPFVubnJVxsOGw-jW-40tRYFCuLRYeYolQ

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42 minutes ago, John Young said:

Coronavirus Can Spread to Heart, Brain Days After Infection and can survive for months in organs, according to a new study by the National Institutes of Health.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211228/coronavirus-can-spread-heart-brain?ecd=soc_fb_221229_cons_news_covidbrainheart&linkId=100000099357264&fbclid=IwAR01Te4Xm-P_uEFvjmAloMdhroPFVubnJVxsOGw-jW-40tRYFCuLRYeYolQ

Yes, a very scary disease. Another good reason to protect yourself and others with vaccinations. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Razor said:

Yes, a very scary disease. Another good reason to protect yourself and others with vaccinations. 

 

If one trusts "vaccinations" (they technically are nothing more than a shot...no true proof of benefit outside of what the government and the manufacturers...both of whom hold no liability) then get them....I don't. I know I won't trust them, as the manufacturer isn't liable for any adverse effects, and neither is the government who is trying to FORCE them on people. 

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1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

If one trusts "vaccinations" (they technically are nothing more than a shot...no true proof of benefit outside of what the government and the manufacturers...both of whom hold no liability) then get them....I don't. I know I won't trust them, as the manufacturer isn't liable for any adverse effects, and neither is the government who is trying to FORCE them on people. 

Well, I am not going to argue with you. So, did you get a smallpox vaccination, a polio vaccination, etc. in the past. Of course they work. But you can live in denial if you want. I trust science more than biased politicians, off-beat-misinformation websites. 

Blessings. 

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They should have made sure the vaccine worked and there were no long term side effects or health issues before they released their man-made virus upon the world. Unless, if course, they want that to be the case.

Sounds like there are already issues with the new Covid pills causing severe reactions with common medicines.

A famous member of the alternative media and the MMA world recently revealed that his doctor has treated 200 members of Congress with Ivermectin. It works despite what they say. The problem is it only costs about 8 cents a pill and they can't make money off of that. By "they" I mean Congress, Big Pharma, the MSM (who is now owned by Big Pharma), the hospitals and all the major investors in Pfizer, Moderna, Merck, AstraZeneca, J&J, etc on Wall Street and the Davos Group/World Economic Forum (originators of the Great Reset).

Expect more viruses to be released in the future. 

1 minute ago, Razor said:

Well, I am not going to argue with you. So, did you get a smallpox vaccination, a polio vaccination, etc. in the past. Of course they work. But you can live in denial if you want. I trust science more than off-beat, misinformation websites. 

Blessings. 

This is an old, tired argument.

Fauci trusted the science...er...wait...he is science.

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8 minutes ago, SureWord said:

They should have made sure the vaccine worked and there were no long term side effects or health issues before they released their man-made virus upon the world. Unless, if course, they want that to be the case.

Sounds like there are already issues with the new Covid pills causing severe reactions with common medicines.

A famous member of the alternative media and the MMA world recently revealed that his doctor has treated 200 members of Congress with Ivermectin. It works despite what they say. The problem is it only costs about 8 cents a pill and they can't make money off of that. By "they" I mean Congress, Big Pharma, the MSM (who is now owned by Big Pharma), the hospitals and all the major investors in Pfizer, Moderna, Merck, AstraZeneca, J&J, etc on Wall Street and the Davos Group/World Economic Forum (originators of the Great Reset).

Expect more viruses to be released in the future. 

This is an old, tired argument.

Fauci trusted the science...er...wait...he is science.

Well, to be consistent the next time you are ill don't go to a doctor as they are part of this 'evil' system you speak against. I guess you do not trust Trump either as he instituted Operation Warp Speed that brought the vaccines to us quite quickly.

I hope your faith in opinion over science does not bring you to harm. 

Blessings. 

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1 hour ago, Razor said:

Well, to be consistent the next time you are ill don't go to a doctor as they are part of this 'evil' system you speak against. I guess you do not trust Trump either as he instituted Operation Warp Speed that brought the vaccines to us quite quickly.

I hope your faith in opinion over science does not bring you to harm. 

Blessings. 

Mr. Trump IS a part of the system...that didn't change just because he became POTUS years ago. He did try to fight against SOME of the idiocy going on in our government, but ultimately, when the VID hit, he had to do something to make himself look like he was doing something....and, I'm pretty positive he wanted to do something productive. I hate to say it, but I don't think he understood the ramifications of trying to make a vax in such a short time, and just went along with what he was told by Fauci and others. 

Going to a doctor for a PROVEN treatment isn't a sin...and your implication that just because somebody disagrees with what is going on in the system makes it hypocritical for them to go for these PROVEN treatments is dishonest...but, go figure...I've often seen opinion posted as fact from...well..you know.

1 hour ago, Razor said:

Well, I am not going to argue with you. So, did you get a smallpox vaccination, a polio vaccination, etc. in the past. Of course they work. But you can live in denial if you want. I trust science more than biased politicians, off-beat-misinformation websites. 

Blessings. 

Those are OLD, tired, arguments and are like comparing apples to oranges. The level of dishonesty you exhude is exhausting! If you can PROVE I'm living in denial, I will recant...but that is FAR FROM POSSIBLE on your part, and the implications you give towards me and others on these forums are ludicrous! I don't trust SCIENCE (today's dishonest science/scientists, or the political esatblishment, nor any of your favorite liberal websites.

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      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
      ― Mark Twain
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    • Razor

      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
      ― Mark Twain
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    • Razor

      Psalms 139 Psalm 139:9-10
      9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy righthand shall hold me. 
       
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    • Bro. West  »  Pastor Scott Markle

      Advanced revelation, then...prophecy IS advanced revelation in the context of the apostles.
      I really do not know where you are going with this. The Bible itself has revelations and prophecies and not all revelations are prophecies.
      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
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      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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