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52 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Yup, I mentioned this before. I don't know how any Christian can take that death jab with a clear conscience but God only knows.

This would only be ONE of the many reasons I wouldn't take it. After having covid 2x now, once being the delta variant, I should have natural immunity. I don't want one of Biden's poison darts hitting me! ?

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The former President and CEO and current Chairman of Reuters is on the board for Pfizer. He's also a member of the World Economic Forum who popularized the "Great Reset".

Reuters is a great place to do a "fact check".

https://divergemedia.ca/2021/06/28/thomas-reuters-foundation-chairman-is-also-board-member-at-pfizer/  

 

 

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22 minutes ago, E Morales said:

Are we COVID free yet. Watching the baseball World Series, see all those people without masks. I guess we’re Covid free already. 
 

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I'm not sure we'll ever be covid free. People have just gotten fed up with all the nonsense surrounding this virus and have seen it manipulated by the MSM and government as a tool for control. I'm glad to see more waking up to the fact that it's been politicized for the Democrat's gain.

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23 minutes ago, E Morales said:

Vaccines available for children 5 to 11 now. Should these kids get vaccinated some say yes, some say no, and are you still wearing your mask.  I do wear my mask in public crowds, but not every time I step out the door. 

The only problem is that they don't have the full approval of the CDC and the FDA..the boards have only made recommendations. People are getting confused on the terminology and what has truly been fully approved, and not just had an extension of the EUA!

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I hope this isn't off topic, but wanted to mention about masks. I live very remote, far from population centers. But still I see people wearing masks in ridiculous situations. By ridiculous I mean; Going to their rural mail box on the roadside and wearing a mask to do it. Exercising by walking the road without any other person near them; driving in a vehicle, alone and still wearing a mask.

It just seems like the "control" and "manipulation" of society really has been accomplished by those that want to isolate us from each other, even our own families.

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9 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

The only problem is that they don't have the full approval of the CDC and the FDA..the boards have only made recommendations. People are getting confused on the terminology and what has truly been fully approved, and not just had an extension of the EUA!

NOTICE: CDC now recommends that children between the ages of 5 and 11 years receive the Pfizer-BioNTech pediatric COVID-19 Vaccine. Learn more about vaccines for children and teens.

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25 minutes ago, E Morales said:

NOTICE: CDC now recommends that children between the ages of 5 and 11 years receive the Pfizer-BioNTech pediatric COVID-19 Vaccine. Learn more about vaccines for children and teens.

And??? They're still not fully approved...there was a "recommendation" passed by the board. Also, if you had taken the time to read the material here, it says these vaccines are still being monitored for safety...I wouldn't allow the GOVERNMENT to tell me what to put into my children's bodies, especially when they haven't been sufficiently tested. These shots ARE NOT law...and I doubt they ever will be. The ones for adults aren't even fully approved here in the United States...the CDC and the FDA extended the EUA on them...again...I wouldn't take them.

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"Nearly two years after the world first became aware of the existence of a novel coronavirus spreading in Wuhan, China, the origins of COVID-19 remain shrouded in mystery. For more than 18 months, the scientific and political establishment insisted that the virus had a natural origin, ridiculing anyone who dared contradict this view. Part-thriller, part-exposé, “What Really Happened in Wuhan” is a ground-breaking investigation by journalist Sharri Markson into the origins of COVID-19 that delves into never-before-seen primary documents exposing China’s concealment of the virus, fresh interviews with whistleblower doctors in Wuhan, and crucial eyewitness accounts that dismantle official explanations for the initial outbreak of the virus. Please join Hudson Institute for this important conversation."

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12 minutes ago, John Young said:

"Nearly two years after the world first became aware of the existence of a novel coronavirus spreading in Wuhan, China, the origins of COVID-19 remain shrouded in mystery. For more than 18 months, the scientific and political establishment insisted that the virus had a natural origin, ridiculing anyone who dared contradict this view. Part-thriller, part-exposé, “What Really Happened in Wuhan” is a ground-breaking investigation by journalist Sharri Markson into the origins of COVID-19 that delves into never-before-seen primary documents exposing China’s concealment of the virus, fresh interviews with whistleblower doctors in Wuhan, and crucial eyewitness accounts that dismantle official explanations for the initial outbreak of the virus. Please join Hudson Institute for this important conversation."

 

Personally, I know of very few people who believe this thing happened naturally. Mr. Fauci was partially if not wholly responsible for this plight on mankind. I love hearing the debate between him and Senator Paul over what's going on.

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If these vaccines lose their effecacy so quickly, why do people even need them? This report admits that they lose their effectiveness quite quickly.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/study-shows-dramatic-decline-in-effectiveness-of-all-three-covid-19-vaccines-over-time/ar-AAQkY30?ocid=chromentpnews

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November 6, 2021

When will the CDC correct its COVID death counts, as Italy just did?

By Andrea Widburg

The Summit caught a fascinating story out of Italy: the Italian Higher Institute of Health decided it had miscounted COVID deaths.  Instead of looking at people who died with COVID, as it once did, it looked only at people who died from COVID — leading to a 97% decrease in Italy's COVID death count.  So far, the CDC shows no signs of following suit.

According to The Summit:

The Italian Higher Institute of Health has drastically reduced the country's official COVID death toll number by over 97 per cent after changing the definition of a fatality to someone who died from COVID rather than with COVID.

Italian newspaper Il Tempo reports that the Institute has revised downward the number of people who have died from COVID rather than with COVID from 130,000 to under 4,000.

"Yes, you read that right. Turns out 97.1% of deaths hitherto attributed to Covid were not due directly to Covid," writes Toby Young.

Of the of the 130,468 deaths registered as official COVID deaths since the start of the pandemic, only 3,783 are directly attributable to the virus alone.

"All the other Italians who lost their lives had from between one and five pre-existing diseases. Of those aged over 67 who died, 7% had more than three co-morbidities, and 18% at least two," writes Young.

"According to the Institute, 65.8% of Italians who died after being infected with Covid were ill with arterial hypertension (high blood pressure), 23.5% had dementia, 29.3% had diabetes, and 24.8% atrial fibrillation. Add to that, 17.4% had lung problems, 16.3% had had cancer in the last five years and 15.7% suffered from previous heart failures."

There's more interesting material here, for the article discusses the ethics of overcounting to induce panic.

Reading between the lines, the problem in Italy was that the socialized medicine system was unable to cope with an influx of patients during a bad flu season.  (And it was a bad flu season.)

The actual data match closely what those who are not panicking have observed in America.  As with every flu season, there are unlucky young (and youngish) people who die from the flu.  Overall, though, the ones who die are either very elderly or have comorbidities of the type described in the quoted material above.

In America, however, counting COVID deaths is more of an art than it is a science (and that's not even getting into the way the government incentivized hospitals to count COVID deaths).  You can see here the CDC's instructions.

A February 2021 article at the American Association of Medical College's website assures readers that no one is really overcounting in America: "There's no evidence of orchestrated inflation, but parsing the role that the disease plays in some deaths is not always easy for doctors — nor is the process clear to the public."

The article then discusses the fact that deaths from COVID are confusing because COVID creates a lot of "clinical complications."  However — and this is where the article starts tying in with what we know to be true:

[T]he disease's brutal impact on people with other medical conditions — such as diabetes, hypertension, and heart ailments — can make COVID-19 one of several contributors to a death, says Sally Aiken, MD, chief medical examiner of Spokane County, Washington. Aiken has seen cases where elderly people who were in advanced decline due to Alzheimer's disease and atrial fibrillation contracted COVID-19 and soon died.

In other words, COVID hastens death but doesn't necessarily cause it.  Moreover (and, again, this matters), when it comes to death certificates:

Part I and II of a death certificate ask what caused a death and what other factors contributed to it. If COVID-19 appears among the causes and contributors, CDC guidance counts that as a COVID-19-related death.

Part I asks for the "immediate cause" of death, followed by any "conditions that led to the immediate cause," the CDC explains in guidelines for certifying COVID-19 fatalities. For example: In some COVID-19 cases, the immediate cause is an affliction that arose from the disease, such as pneumonia, while COVID-19 gets listed under that as an underlying condition that led to death. In other words, COVID-19 caused the pneumonia.

Alaska's policy is a good yardstick for what's going on:

The Alaska Department of Health and Social Services explains on its website why the disease is cited if it played any role at all:  "Whether COVID-19 shortened a life by 15 years or 15 minutes; whether COVID-19 is an underlying or contributing condition, the virus was in circulation, infected an Alaskan, and hastened their death."

Parse your way through all of this, and it becomes clear that COVID, because it is a new and highly adaptable coronavirus, hastened the deaths of those with one foot in the grave and one foot on a banana peel by increasing their vulnerability to the things that were already killing them.  This is sad, for every minute, day, or week spent with a loved one matters.  Additionally, the extreme lockdowns consigned so many to heartbreakingly lonely deaths.

However, if you do as the Italian government did and strip away age and comorbidities from the death count, COVID is just another flu for most people.  The economy does not need to stop; people do not need to be locked up; the disease is treatable; and mass vaccination mandates are unnecessary, ineffective, and totalitarian.

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