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7 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

There is no new climate change. The climate has been changing since the very beginning. Climate is never static, but always dynamic. It even changes from day to day, or haven't you noticed?

I have notice a early January blooming, here in Florida. That normally starts in March.

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2 hours ago, E Morales said:

I have notice a early January blooming, here in Florida. That normally starts in March.

Weather goes in cycles over a period of years, or didn't you realize that?

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3 hours ago, E Morales said:

I have notice a early January blooming, here in Florida. That normally starts in March.

You "noticed"? I wonder if the climate records ever "noticed" this before.

The phrase "climate change" only came about because they couldn't make a valid case for Global Warming.

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20 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

You "noticed"? I wonder if the climate records ever "noticed" this before.

The phrase "climate change" only came about because they couldn't make a valid case for Global Warming.

The year 2021 is now expected to qualify among the hottest seven in history, all of them recorded since 2014, according to an early estimate by the United Nations World Meteorological Organization that was released Sunday.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-31/2021-among-earth-s-hottest-years-un-says-as-cop26-starts

Top 10 Warmest Years on Record

https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/top-10-warmest-years-on-record

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11 hours ago, Jerry said:

Where I live we are having several weeks of a cold snap and a bit of an ice storm the last few days. Where is all that global warming they promised us?

Yep...us as well, @Jerry. We were 76 degrees one day, and the next we were getting snow and ice that stuck. Yep...Global warming is so important...NOT! Don't know how seemingly intelligent individuals could look at all the evidence and be so stupid.

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5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Yep...us as well, @Jerry. We were 76 degrees one day, and the next we were getting snow and ice that stuck. Yep...Global warming is so important...NOT! Don't know how seemingly intelligent individuals could look at all the evidence and be so stupid.

Obviously you have not researched the topic and seemingly know nothing about how climate warming models predict both hotter and colder temperatures. Try doing some research and eliminate your unconsciousness ignorance. There is no shame in being ignorant. There is shame in staying ignorant. 

The greatest form of ignorance is rejecting something you know nothing about.

 

Blessings. 

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7 minutes ago, Razor said:

Obviously you have not researched the topic and seemingly know nothing about how climate warming models predict both hotter and colder temperatures. Try doing some research and eliminate your unconsciousness ignorance. There is no shame in being ignorant. There is shame in staying ignorant. 

The greatest form of ignorance is rejecting something you know nothing about.

 

Blessings. 

Try avoiding presuppositions that make you look uninformed....I've done much research on weather, weather patterns, etc. I used to chase storms in Illinois, Wisconsin, and MN....You are consistantly making yourself look ridiculous. Your statement is like the pot calling the kettle black! Nice, try though, BB.

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Study Confirms Climate Models are Getting Future Warming Projections Right

forecast evaluation for models run in 2004

In a study accepted for publication in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, a research team led by Zeke Hausfather of the University of California, Berkeley, conducted a systematic evaluation of the performance of past climate models. The team compared 17 increasingly sophisticated model projections of global average temperature developed between 1970 and 2007, including some originally developed by NASA, with actual changes in global temperature observed through the end of 2017. The observational temperature data came from multiple sources, including NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP) time series, an estimate of global surface temperature change.

The results: 10 of the model projections closely matched observations. Moreover, after accounting for differences between modeled and actual changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide and other factors that drive climate, the number increased to 14. The authors found no evidence that the climate models evaluated either systematically overestimated or underestimated warming over the period of their projections.

“The results of this study of past climate models bolster scientists’ confidence that both they as well as today’s more advanced climate models are skillfully projecting global warming,” said study co-author Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies in New York. “This research could help resolve public confusion around the performance of past climate modeling efforts.”

Scientists use climate models to better understand how Earth’s climate changed in the past, how it is changing now and to predict future climate trends. Global temperature trends are among the most significant predictions, since global warming has widespread effects, is tied directly to international target agreements for mitigating future climate warming, and have the longest, most accurate observational records. Other climate variables are forecast in the newer, more complex models, and those predictions too will need to be assessed.

To successfully match new observational data, climate model projections have to encapsulate the physics of the climate and also make accurate predictions about future carbon dioxide emission levels and other factors that affect climate, such as solar variability, volcanoes, other human-produced and natural emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols. This study’s accounting for differences between the projected and actual emissions and other factors allowed a more focused evaluation of the models’ representation of Earth’s climate system.

Schmidt says climate models have come a long way from the simple energy balance and general circulation models of the 1960s and early ‘70s to today’s increasingly high-resolution and comprehensive general circulation models. “The fact that many of the older climate models we reviewed accurately projected subsequent global temperatures is particularly impressive given the limited observational evidence of warming that scientists had in the 1970s, when Earth had been cooling for a few decades,” he said.

The authors say that while the relative simplicity of the models analyzed makes their climate projections functionally obsolete, they can still be useful for verifying methods used to evaluate current state-of-the-art climate models, such as those to be used in the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Sixth Assessment Report, to be released in 2022.

“As climate model projections have matured, more signals have emerged from the noise of natural variability that allow for retrospective evaluation of other aspects of climate models — for instance, in Arctic sea ice and ocean heat content,” Schmidt said. “But it’s the temperature trends that people still tend to focus on.”

Other participating institutions included the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Woods Hole, Massachusetts.

For more information on GISS and GISTEMP, visit:

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/

 

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Razor, Bill...or whatever you're calling yourself these days...there hasn't been significant enough of a change in temperature for anything to be classified as "global warming." You can keep posting "science" pieces...but you'll probably find that few will agree with you. Though interesting at times, they're all conjecture, and USUALLY incorrect. Sad, really. 

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26 minutes ago, E Morales said:

I'm not sure what is going on around the world, but its not normal, something is going on. Ozone or not

Temperatures change every day...sometimes drastically. We had 76 degrees here for several days, and then 4+ inches of snow and 1/4" of ice as well....It was only 28 degrees yesterday...and it's 11 right now...Tomorrow is supposed to hit 50. So? I thought this thread was about "nice countries fighting." Canada tries to ACT polite, but they're not as polite as many think. When I was there for a summer working with the Indian population near Dryden, Ontario, the Indians were polite, but the people of the city weren't. Overall, in my days in Canada over the 45 years I went there on a continuing basis, I would have to say that only about 35% of the people were nice. Most are like they are here in the states. And, many there don't seem to like the people of the United States. Not all...but many.

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1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

Razor, Bill...or whatever you're calling yourself these days...there hasn't been significant enough of a change in temperature for anything to be classified as "global warming." You can keep posting "science" pieces...but you'll probably find that few will agree with you. Though interesting at times, they're all conjecture, and USUALLY incorrect. Sad, really. 

Daily temperature swings of tens of degrees at a given location are common weather-driven events. But historically, when measurements of the daily high and low temperatures from many thousands of locations all over the world are averaged together over a whole year, the Earth's annual average temperature fluctuated by no more than a few tenths of a degree from year to year. In a geological context, a global-scale warming of 1.8°F (1°C) in less than 150 years is an unusually large temperature change in a relatively short span of time.

It's also important to recognize that Earth is not warming uniformly, nor is it expected to. Middle and high latitudes in general will warm more than the tropics, and land surface temperatures will rise more than ocean temperatures. Over the long term, land masses at the latitude of the United States are expected to warm much more than the global average. If global warming continues at an increasing rate, in several decades the world is likely to be warmer than it's been for over a million years, with unpredictable consequences for humans and the natural resources we depend on.

IPCC projections

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/global-warming-18°-f-1°-c-seems-small-so-why-change-global-temperature

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What? More mindless drivel from a .gov site? Sorry...I don't accept much if anything the GOVERNMENT scientists say as fact anymore. They've lied far too often. Also, remember that Al Gore, Clinton, Obama, and now Biden are basically trying to get us to believe the whole world is going to burn up since it's ALL having the temps rise....Contradictory statements make people lose faith in "science," and GOVERNMENT. Also please take not of the referral to the climate change being the biggest change in over a million years....FALSE SCIENCE doesn't help your cause, Bill.

 

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I’m neutral and not one sided. We must be open to any mayor changes for the best of the humanity. Pollution never did well, anywhere so far. So we all know that it is world problem. Cleaning up after are self, is a good start. Those that don’t, will suffer in their own Countries. Look at China and México Cities, they are having a hard time just breathing. US does not have to pay or take lead. Everyone to their own, we are no longer the world police.

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