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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Let's try a different tactic. Oseas, for the sake of the argument, let's say all that you believe is the truth:

1) You have a horrible way of explaining yourself and attempting to get the truth across.

2) Typically those who hyperfocuss on ONE single doctrine or theme (especially endtimes) are usually off on other major doctrines, including salvation.

3) Having all these things right, where do you stand with the Lord Jesus Christ? If you are off on Him and how to be saved, having the right endtimes doctrine will still lead you all the way to Hell. For your sake, I hope you have trusted the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation, believing that He paid the complete penalty for your sins and that all you can do is place your trust in His finished work on the cross of Calvary and the blood that He shed for you.

That being said, where are you now in your walk with the Lord - if you have in fact trusted in Jesus Christ alone for salvation? Ranting and raving on message boards certainly won't draw you closer to the Lord day by day NOR lead others to a saving knowledge of Him or strengthen them in their walk with Him. What Bible passages have you read about lately - other than Revelation? How is your prayer life and your fellowship with sound believers of like faith and practice? If these are missing in your life, why should we believe you have the keys to understanding all endtimes prophecies and can aid us in our spiritual problems?

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I understand what this man is saying - he is simply ( in a not so simple way ) that the Church that was in Rome became apostate, and after many years it became the Catholic Church as we know it today. 
I have no problem following his comprehension.  
There are many words for little said, but still he isn’t wrong, the Catholic Church didn’t start in a vacuum. 

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It's not that main point that is bothersome - it's his guesswork and addition to the Word of God, and the impression given that if he keeps hitting the same hammer home a thousand times that it automatically makes everything he says right.

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2 hours ago, Hugh_Flower said:

I understand what this man is saying - he is simply ( in a not so simple way ) that the Church that was in Rome became apostate, and after many years it became the Catholic Church as we know it today. 
I have no problem following his comprehension.  
There are many words for little said, but still he isn’t wrong, the Catholic Church didn’t start in a vacuum. 

I don't believe anyone is saying it did start in a vaccuum. I can understand what he's saying as far as the history of the catholic church, but he is just regurgitating information that is available on google. The problem is that it's not historically accurate, and most people, catholic or Baptist would know it. That coupled with assertions about where people stand on things is enough to question his reasoning. I made no reference to his abundance of words to say what he was saying, though he does resemble Jeff's style of posting. 

15 minutes ago, Jerry said:

It's not that main point that is bothersome - it's his guesswork and addition to the Word of God, and the impression given that if he keeps hitting the same hammer home a thousand times that it automatically makes everything he says right.

Exactly the point! It's been pointed out time and again, yet he continues to give the same reasoning that he had before. 

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7 hours ago, Jerry said:

I have debated and presented Scripture for my various positions on the endtimes in the past on these boards and others. The issue is you keep repeating the same things over and over in a manner that is hard to read and follow and does not make any sense. I don't have any problem with teaching the truth and showing what Bible passages my various viewpoints are derived from.

Also, what's with the sudden slander now? Just because I don't agree with you (because of your continual rehashing of the same info over and over and because most of what you say does not make any sense) doesn't mean I follow or support the Catholic church or any Pope.

Again, Baptists (historically) do not follow the Pope or the Catholic church, nor believe that there were any Popes for the first few hundred years after the church was started.

Truth never changes, there is no shadow of variation in truth. I don't bother writing the same things to you, and it's security for you.
 

7 hours ago, Jerry said:

Why waste my time refuting wild rantings? You are obviously not coming here in search of the truth or wanting to fellowship over the Bible. You appear to be here just to do a hit and run with your propaganda, and keep posting the same thing over and over again - regardless of how anyone responds or whether there is any interest in your stated theologies.

If you want a soapbox to rant on, why not find one in your own language where you can communicate effectively (you have mentioned the language barrier and difficulty in communicating in some past posts) and teach them whatever "truth" you think you have?

GOD is Spirit. GOD is the Truth. GOD is light, this then is the message which we have heard of Him and declare unto you that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the Truth: But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

7 hours ago, Jerry said:

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

Agree. the Word is GOD, understand?

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7 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

I was NEVER a cathoic "follower." I attended a catholic church with my then fiance...Please, read and comprehend. You still seem to be talking in circles, and it's not making any sense. i have NEVER believed that Peter was the first pope, and it's disengenuous of you to try and assert that I do. You are regurgatatng what you believe to be facts concerning the RCC. The first pope, historically, is believed to be Tertullian in the 3rd century AD. I don't know where you are getting your facts, but they seem to line up more with the RCC's teaching with the exception of you naming Peter as the Pope. The only other possibility would be Constantine after declaring Christianity the state religion.

As I said for you once you attended the Roman Catholic Church with your fiance, was that what the satanic church you attended say about Peter being the 1st Pope is more a blasphemy of the Gentile Beast of sea. The topic is about the satganic RCC. The author of the topic asked: "When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help..." 

I said: The Scriptures helps: Two thousand years have passed, and today the primitive true church of the Lord in Rome is transformed in a gigantic religious and satanic MONSTER having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy according Revelation 13:v.1 written around 65 years after JESUS ascemsion-. Yeah, this is the current body of the former true church of the Lord in Rome - today the Roman Catholic Church - which rides upon the MAN Beast of sea - the Pope, the Papacy .   

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7 hours ago, Jerry said:

Let's try a different tactic. Oseas, for the sake of the argument, let's say all that you believe is the truth:

1) You have a horrible way of explaining yourself and attempting to get the truth across.

2) Typically those who hyperfocuss on ONE single doctrine or theme (especially endtimes) are usually off on other major doctrines, including salvation.

3) Having all these things right, where do you stand with the Lord Jesus Christ? If you are off on Him and how to be saved, having the right endtimes doctrine will still lead you all the way to Hell. For your sake, I hope you have trusted the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation, believing that He paid the complete penalty for your sins and that all you can do is place your trust in His finished work on the cross of Calvary and the blood that He shed for you.

That being said, where are you now in your walk with the Lord - if you have in fact trusted in Jesus Christ alone for salvation? Ranting and raving on message boards certainly won't draw you closer to the Lord day by day NOR lead others to a saving knowledge of Him or strengthen them in their walk with Him. What Bible passages have you read about lately - other than Revelation? How is your prayer life and your fellowship with sound believers of like faith and practice? If these are missing in your life, why should we believe you have the keys to understanding all endtimes prophecies and can aid us in our spiritual problems?

So far I haven't seen you quote a single Bible verse in all your posts on this topic, do you really read the Bible? of everything you've written for me, so far I haven't seen any biblical support for your words. JESUS said: "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh". Luke 6:v.45
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: Matt. 15:v.18-19

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Funny, you have not responded to my queries about your testimony of salvation and your walk with the Lord.

Here is some Bible:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

And some more:

Romans 10:8-13 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Have you called upon the Lord alone for salvation, trusting in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross and His blood shed for your sins?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Have you been born again?

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

If not, the only alternative is to perish - which means spend eternity in Hell. But you don't have to.

Romans 3:22-26 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The gift of God - eternal life - is yours for the asking if you turn in repentance and faith to the Lord Jesus Christ and place your trust in Him. Have you done so? 

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5 hours ago, Oseas3 said:

As I said for you once you attended the Roman Catholic Church with your fiance, was that what the satanic church you attended say about Peter being the 1st Pope is more a blasphemy of the Gentile Beast of sea. The topic is about the satganic RCC. The author of the topic asked: "When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help..." 

I said: The Scriptures helps: Two thousand years have passed, and today the primitive true church of the Lord in Rome is transformed in a gigantic religious and satanic MONSTER having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy according Revelation 13:v.1 written around 65 years after JESUS ascemsion-. Yeah, this is the current body of the former true church of the Lord in Rome - today the Roman Catholic Church - which rides upon the MAN Beast of sea - the Pope, the Papacy .   

You're just repeating the same thing over and over, and you're not really giving any factual information. As stated before, you've got NO historical evidence of your position. The RCC is incorrect in stating that Peter was the first pope of Rome, and true Roman Catholics will admit this fact...the ones who have proper hermeneutical training. You need to be more clear about what you're trying to convey. I've given two examples of who was possibly the first pope of the catholic church in previous posts which you've completely ignored, instead regurgitating that same information you posted before. 

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3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

You're just repeating the same thing over and over, and you're not really giving any factual information. As stated before, you've got NO historical evidence of your position. The RCC is incorrect in stating that Peter was the first pope of Rome, and true Roman Catholics will admit this fact...the ones who have proper hermeneutical training. You need to be more clear about what you're trying to convey. I've given two examples of who was possibly the first pope of the catholic church in previous posts which you've completely ignored, instead regurgitating that same information you posted before. 

Who was interested in to know the history of the RCC was the "baptist senior" creating this topic saying: "When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help since it keeps saying it began with Peter."   

For me particularly, the question is not the history of the Roman Catholic Church, what matters is the righteous Judgment of GOD, as I have written saying for you. and Jerry , and "baptist senior", that the satanic Roman Catholic Church is a religious MONSTER having 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon the 7 heads a NAME of blasphemy.

In Revelation 18, among others, we see what will happen with the idolater and satanic church of Rome, the RCC:  

1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; ...

Get ready

 

6 hours ago, Jerry said:

Funny, you have not responded to my queries about your testimony of salvation and your walk with the Lord.

Here is some Bible:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

And some more:

Romans 10:8-13 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Have you called upon the Lord alone for salvation, trusting in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross and His blood shed for your sins?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Have you been born again?

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

If not, the only alternative is to perish - which means spend eternity in Hell. But you don't have to.

Romans 3:22-26 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The gift of God - eternal life - is yours for the asking if you turn in repentance and faith to the Lord Jesus Christ and place your trust in Him. Have you done so? 

Are you a priest or a cardinal?

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1 hour ago, Oseas3 said:

Who was interested in to know the history of the RCC was the "baptist senior" creating this topic saying: "When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help since it keeps saying it began with Peter."   

For me particularly, the question is not the history of the Roman Catholic Church, what matters is the righteous Judgment of GOD, as I have written saying for you. and Jerry , and "baptist senior", that the satanic Roman Catholic Church is a religious MONSTER having 7 heads, and 10 horns, and upon the 7 heads a NAME of blasphemy.

In Revelation 18, among others, we see what will happen with the idolater and satanic church of Rome, the RCC:  

1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

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Are you a priest or a cardinal?

More regurgatation of the same sentences...UGH! This has nothing to do with the beast of seven heads and ten horns. Do you even KNOW what this is referring to? I believe you might want to do a bit more research into what this passage is speaking about. Just a suggestion. 

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2 hours ago, Oseas3 said:

Are you a priest or a cardinal?

What? Only a priest or a cardinal can talk about salvation? Again, you are skipping the most important thing in all eternity - where you stand with the Lord Jesus Christ. Why won't you answer that?

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3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

More regurgatation of the same sentences...UGH! This has nothing to do with the beast of seven heads and ten horns. Do you even KNOW what this is referring to? I believe you might want to do a bit more research into what this passage is speaking about. Just a suggestion. 

That is not the case. As I see you do not know to interpret Revelation 13:v.1 and henceforwards;  I'm sure that if you try to write about your especulations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion all will be completely wrong.

3 hours ago, Jerry said:

What? Only a priest or a cardinal can talk about salvation? Again, you are skipping the most important thing in all eternity - where you stand with the Lord Jesus Christ. Why won't you answer that?

I asked because you do not different of their cynical posture, you speak exactly according the disguised and devilish spirit of them, and the light of Truth leaves you tormented . 

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2 minutes ago, Oseas said:

That is not the case. As I see you do not know to interpret Revelation 13:v.1 and henceforwards;  I'm sure that if you try to write about your especulations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion all will be completely wrong.

I asked you to prove what the 7 heads and ten horns...it seems that you're lacking in eschatology! You're the one avoiding questions from Jerry and myself. You're also being redundant in you writing here....quote; "speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion"  

I hate to say it Oseas...but you're really saying nothing....that's not good.

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7 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

I asked you to prove what the 7 heads and ten horns...it seems that you're lacking in eschatology! You're the one avoiding questions from Jerry and myself. You're also being redundant in you writing here....quote; "speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion"  

I hate to say it Oseas...but you're really saying nothing....that's not good.

I showed by my message Posted Thursday at 10:07 PM what are 7 heads of the Gentile Man Beast of sea, but it seems that the god of this world blinded you.  The 7 heads are two things: 7 mountains and 7 kings. Without the Spirit of Christ -the testimony of JESUS is the Spirit of prophecy - how can you interpret and discern what JESUS revealed in Apocalypse?  

 

 

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14 hours ago, Oseas said:

That is not the case. As I see you do not know to interpret Revelation 13:v.1 and henceforwards;  I'm sure that if you try to write about your especulations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion all will be completely wrong.

As I see, you're sidestepping the questions. You keep regurgatating the same Catholic hogwash youve been typing and then attacking the people who ask you the question. It's clear you have nothing to say and that you have no communication skills. Deflection isn't your strong suit. 

14 hours ago, Oseas said:

I asked because you do not different of their cynical posture, you speak exactly according the disguised and devilish spirit of them, and the light of Truth leaves you tormented . 

It seems, according to you, that anyone who doesn't agree with your warped theology, is devilish, yet you sidestep questions, refuse to  give your interpretation of the passages you keep regurgatating, trying to imply we ask because we "don't understand" the passages. The problem with that is that WE probably know a lot more than you about them. Many of us have been trained in hermenteutics and exegesis and can rightly divide God's Word. Because of your continued deflection, and the lack of an answer concerning your your salvation testimony, I sincerely doubt you are an Independent, Fundamental Baptist or a saved person. Just my observations of your actions.

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5 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

As I see, you're sidestepping the questions. You keep regurgatating the same Catholic hogwash youve been typing and then attacking the people who ask you the question. It's clear you have nothing to say and that you have no communication skills. Deflection isn't your strong suit. 

Who really is sidestepping the matter of the topic, is you. Who is being attacked here it's me since my first post Posted November 5, page 1. I am waiting you say something of the Word of GOD within the topic. Come on, tell something within the topic according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? 

 

5 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

It seems, according to you, that anyone who doesn't agree with your warped theology, is devilish, yet you sidestep questions, refuse to  give your interpretation of the passages you keep regurgatating, trying to imply we ask because we "don't understand" the passages. The problem with that is that WE probably know a lot more than you about them. Many of us have been trained in hermenteutics and exegesis and can rightly divide God's Word. Because of your continued deflection, and the lack of an answer concerning your your salvation testimony, I sincerely doubt you are an Independent, Fundamental Baptist or a saved person. Just my observations of your actions.

Since my first post , you and your friend , have arrogantly said  harsh things against myself(no problem, no problem), but regardings my interpretation of the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - you both have only stayed hidden behind a cynic posture without say anything by Scriptures according Scriptures within the topic, even any biblical position and interpretation of you both demonstrating the differences of interpretation of Scriptures.

Sorry, but what I see is that you both are running away from the thread instead to stand within the thread. And being outside of the matter and angry and furious, you both stay throwing stones in me because I tell the truth, and it bothers you.     

You both have judged me according your personal judgment, but both you are Judged by the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. 
For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. There is any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must give an account. 

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8 minutes ago, Oseas3 said:

Who really is sidestepping the matter of the topic, is you. Who is being attacked here it's me since my first post Posted November 5, page 1. I am waiting you say something of the Word of GOD within the topic. Come on, tell something within the topic according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? 

 

Since my first post , you and your friend , have arrogantly said  harsh things against myself(no problem, no problem), but regardings my interpretation of the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - you both have only stayed hidden behind a cynic posture without say anything by Scriptures according Scriptures within the topic, even any biblical position and interpretation of you both demonstrating the differences of interpretation of Scriptures.

Sorry, but what I see is that you both are running away from the thread instead to stand within the thread. And being outside of the matter and angry and furious, you both stay throwing stones in me because I tell the truth, and it bothers you.     

You both have judged me according your personal judgment, but both you are Judged by the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. 
For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. There is any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must give an account. 

Nobody is disputing the Word of God, as you seem to be implying...The only things we have pointed out is that you hav no ability to explain your position. You falsely accuse us of being angry and furious...lying about people is a sin. You aren't telling the truth if you can't defend your own position. And to bring this up once again, you've also sidestepped answering the question concerning the seven heads and ten horns. I don't have to quote Scripture to be scripturally correct. I know my Bible...just quoting scriptures on a board without any connection at all to the subject isn't something to be proud of. That seems to be what you do. You can't defend your position, are easily offended, run away from or deflect from the conversation, and then accuse others falsely. None of those things are good. You've also avoided answering Jerry's questions on your salvation testimony. Something isn't adding up on your end here....

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Oseas 3, the beginning of November is not your first post here. You have been posting here for at least several months - maybe longer, since I have been back on these boards. Changing the number after your name doesn't make you a brand new person nor give you a new start date for posting. It is obvious from your previous posts that you are the same person.

Also, the Word (ie. the written Word of God, the Bible) is not God. It tells about God. You have some seriously wacked out theology if you cannot differentiate between Jesus (the incarnate Word of God, God manifest in the flesh), and the Scriptures (the written Word of God) - one is a person, the other is the writings that tell us about that person. They are not one and the same thing.

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