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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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9 minutes ago, palmetotwo said:

When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?

My opinion is it probably began to be a true political force when the last Western Roman emperor left Rome and in the power vacuum the Roman populace looked to the Roman Church for civil leadership and authority, around 476 AD.

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1 hour ago, palmetotwo said:

When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help since it keeps saying it began with Peter.    Been studying about Baptist history and wondering when the persecution switched from the Jews to the Catholics 

There are many different theories on when the Catholic church started. Many Catholics believe that the Catholic church can trace it's origins back to the time of the ascension of Christ. Others within the church believe it started with the Roman Emperor Constantine. I've seen some estimates as late a 495 AD. I have an uncle who is Catholic, and he, if I'm not mistaken, believes it started during the rule of Constantine. It's possible...of course, with all the contradictory doctrines and church history within the RCC, it would be hard to pinpoint a time period. 

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2 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

There are many different theories on when the Catholic church started.

A distinction needs to be made between "Roman Catholic" inferring Roman church authority and the general term "catholic" which started out as simply meaning the whole Christian body of believers.

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1 hour ago, palmetotwo said:

When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help since it keeps saying it began with Peter.    Been studying about Baptist history and wondering when the persecution switched from the Jews to the Catholics 

Safe to say somewhere between the 4th and 5th centuries AD.

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27 minutes ago, John Young said:

A distinction needs to be made between "Roman Catholic" inferring Roman church authority and the general term "catholic" which started out as simply meaning the whole Christian body of believers.

I believe there were a remnant of believers who were NEVER a part of the catholic church. There may be some link between the two. I agree that there is a distinction between the two, but this was in reference to my uncles beleifs. He acknowledges, as do many priests that I know/knew, that there were sects outside of the Catholic church that still held to the true teachings of Christ. That's rare these days. But, where I grew up, the priests seemed to be a bit more honest about these kinds of things...probably because they were history teachers. 😉

 

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Clark Ridpath, who was a Methodist, wrote this in 1840: “I should not readily admit that there was a Baptist church as far back as 100 a.d. Although without doubt there were Baptist churches then, as all Christians were then Baptists.”

A Catholic, Cardinal Hosius, was the president of the Council of Trent. He wrote this in the year 1545: “were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater numbers than all of the Reformers.”

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50 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I believe there were a remnant of believers who were NEVER a part of the catholic church. There may be some link between the two. I agree that there is a distinction between the two, but this was in reference to my uncles beleifs. He acknowledges, as do many priests that I know/knew, that there were sects outside of the Catholic church that still held to the true teachings of Christ. That's rare these days. But, where I grew up, the priests seemed to be a bit more honest about these kinds of things...probably because they were history teachers. 😉

 

The one true church, Baptist, began with Christ during His earthly ministry. What is known of the Roman Catholic Church came along four hundred years later; too late to be the first church, or to trace its history back to the Apostles, especially Peter.

Matthew 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

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Basically, some of the doctrines and practices started with Constantine, but the first official Universal Pope was Gregory the First in 590 AD.

Revelation 2-3 actually gives an overview (looking back) of church history. Pergamus (meaning "elevated by marriage") represents Constantine in 312 AD, some oppressive deeds in the first century now became doctrine. Thyatira ("endless or weary sacrifice") represents the Catholic church coming into full bloom - compare that letter with Revelation 18, Jezebel basically becomes the woman riding the beast. The very next church, Sardis ("escaping one or those who come out") represents the reformation churches, which in many cases became dead churches within the next few centuries.

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Constatine. He took on the title of Pontifex Maximus becoming the Holy Roman Emperor. That's when the Papacy began thus the similarities with how the Vatican government is set up and the Roman government.

There were Popes before that starting around 400 AD and before that it was the bishop of Rome which started around the early 3rd century. 

I believe it was Irenaeus who coined the term "catholic church".

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Yes, but no universal popes - ie. ones over all that church. Those ones were just over certain regions. Constantine certainly set in motion what would be the Catholic church, but what was in his time was not what it would become a few hundred more years later.

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Romans 16:v. 20 - And the GOD of peace SHALL BRUISE SATAN UNDER YOUR FEET SHORTLY. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

The author of the epistle to the Romans, Paul Apostle, after his conversion to Christianity was arrested in Cesareia, he made his own defense at his Judgment. The Jews asked to the governor called Festus to send Paul to Jerusalem, but Paul told no one could turn him over to the Jews (Paul knew that the Jews wanted to kill him), then, when he finished his defense, he appealed to Caesar at his Judgment. "Then Festus, when he had conferred with the council, answered, Hast thou appealed unto Caesar? unto Caesar shalt thou go-Acts 25:v.12. Paul's journey to Italy-Rome was full of obstacles and difficulties for his survival, and at great risk of losing his life, but GOD was with him and kept him, and he arrived in Rome safe and sound after several months of great sufferings.


The Apostle Paul, whose name was originally Saul, was a Jew from a very orthodox line of Pharisaism. He was a student of Gamaliel, but unlike his mentor, he was known for his persecution of Christians. Paul also had Roman citizenship, he was born in Tarsus, the capital of Cilicia, this was and made a great difference in his ministry. Cilicia is an early Roman province on what is today the southern coast of Turkey.
There were many many Jews in Rome, and the fame of a new "religion or sect" planted by JESUS in Israel was spreading everywhere. Three days after he arrived in Rome, Paul called the Jewish leaders in Rome, as a result, many Jews in Rome came to visit him, and Paul explained that he was arrested because of his faith in Israel's hope. They decided to hear more (Acts 28:17-22), and a large number of Jews gathered at Paul's house, and he tried to convince them about Jesus (28:23) and the Kingdom of God, there was a division among the Jews, some believing and others rejecting the Word (28:24-29).

Paul said to the Jews of the Church of Rome:  Romans 2:v.1-11
1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the Judgment of God?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
11 There is no respect of persons with God.

Then the Church of our Lord JESUS developed itself in Rome by the Apostles of the Lord, and Satan in parallel worked too through the apostate members of the Church in Rome.

Thus Paul was concerned about the apostasy in the Church of Rome, he took very care for the spiritual development of the brothers in Rome. Paul gave his last instructions and admonitions to the brothers of the Church in Rome, warning them of an apostate movement mainly by Jews among the brothers, even in the Church of the Lord there established by him and other apostles. Rom.16:17-20:

-17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and AVOID THEM.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by GOOD WORDS and FAIR SPEECHES DECEIVE the hearts of the simple.
19 For YOUR OBEDIENCE is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace SHALL BRUISE SATAN UNDER YOUR FEET SHORTLY.THIS WILL FULFILL LIETERALLY FROM NOW ON-HALLELUJAH!

John Apostle also wrote about the apostasy mainly about the primitive and true Church of the LORD in Rome, as follow:
1 John 2:v.19 - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out,that they might be made manifest that THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US.

It is very interesting this revelation of the Apostle John concerning the primitive and genuine Church of the LORD in Rome, which apostatized even in the time of the Apostles, mainly the Jewish believers, and it linked politically to the Roman Empire, and the Church was called Catholic Church, and become a CORRUPTED CHURCH in the hands of Satan.

Again: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out,that they might be made manifest that THEY WERE NOT ALL OF US"-1John 2:v.19-then they started to persecute the true Churches of the LORD, they killed the Apostles Paul and Peter among others. By the way, notice that Revelation describes(year 95AD and 65 years after JESUS's ascension)the spiritual conditions of the 7 Churches of Asia, but the Church of Rome, later denominated Roman Catholic Church, which would be the eighth, it was excluded because was totally in the hands of the Devil, and would be according Scriptures the Seat of Satan, the headquarter of the body of Devil, the idolater, apostate, and devilish church of Rome.

And now, even now, with the manifestation of the MAN Beast of earth with two horns like a lamb, a false lamb, a Jewish false messiah (John 5:v.43-47) but speaks as Dragon, then there will be two Beasts reigning on the Earth, one in Rome and another in Jerusalem, as Paul apostle warned, saying; 2Thes.2:v.3to12:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (He who is not of the Lord, Satan will take with him, and there will be battle: Revelation 12:v.7-17 and 16:v.13-16).
And ONE of the 7 heads of the satanic and religious MONSTER guided by the Beast of sea will be wounded to death by the Sword, and his wound will be healed by the MAN Beast of earth, the son of perdition, the little horn, who was born from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, the tribe of Dan, he is already living in his country, and must manifest himself soon. And he, even he himself, will give to the Beast of sea-the Pope-his Power,and his Seat in Jerusalem, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, and great Authority, and the wound of the head of the Beast of sea will be healed by the false messiah of the Jews-John 5:v.43-47 combined with Revelation 13:v.3.
But the GOD of peace SHALL BRUISE SATAN UNDER YOUR FEET SHORTLY. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

 

Revelation 13:v.3 - And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death;...by a Sword-verse 14 

It is impressive to see how the religious and satanic Antichrist was born and developed itself from the primitive Church-from the apostasy of Church of Rome-. Paul prophesied saying the same will happen now in the end of the times - 1 Timothy 4:v.1-3  

 

 

 

 

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On 11/4/2021 at 9:05 AM, palmetotwo said:

When and how did the Roman Catholic Church actually begin?   Google doesn't help since it keeps saying it began with Peter.    Been studying about Baptist history and wondering when the persecution switched from the Jews to the Catholics 

Love reading the answers.  Since all denominations (other than Baptists) have a person as their founder, (usually one that had a vision) unless Peter pastored a church that turned to apostacy then Constantine would be the founder of the Roman Catholic Church correct. 

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Where do you get the idea that people having visions are the ones that started most denominations? Maybe cults. Many (not saying all - wanted to say most, but I cannot really be sure of that) denominations started as a result of a difference of doctrine or practice from another group that they split off from - whether Protestant, Catholic, or even an independent group.

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28 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Where do you get the idea that people having visions are the ones that started most denominations? Maybe cults. Many (not saying all - wanted to say most, but I cannot really be sure of that) denominations started as a result of a difference of doctrine or practice from another group that they split off from - whether Protestant, Catholic, or even an independent group.

Point taken, I wasn't thinking of Protestants. I was thinking of Mohammad, John Smith, Constantine and the like

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Those are other religions or cults - definitely NOT denominations.

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The seven Churches of Asia after around 65 five years of JESUS's ascension are good examples of the decadent state of Churches.  If the primitive Church of the Lord in Rome had not been apostatized as a whole and fallen in the hands of Satan, denominated as Catholic Church, and later Roman Catholic Church, certainly it had been the eighth in Revelation.  

Two thousand years have passed, and today the primitive church of Rome is transformed in a religious and satanic MONSTER having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy-Revelation 13:v.1. Yeah, this is the current body of the former church of the Lord in Rome - today the Roman Catholic Church - which rides upon the MAN Beast of sea - the Pope, the Papacy .  The Dragon or the MAN Beast like a lamb with two horns -Revelation 13:v.11 - actually a false lamb, a false messiah of the Jews, AN IMPOSTER - John 5:v.43-47 - who will be enthroned in Jerusalem(spiritually called Sodom and Egypt), even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,  this MAN Beast  and false messiah will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2 Thes. 2:v.4

There will be TWO ruthless MAN Beast on the Earth very very soon.

Get ready.  Be careful - the prophecy fulfils LITERALLY, as follow: 2 Thes. 2:v.3

 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;   (This Day arrived and there will be two ruthless MEN Beasts on the Earth -Revelation 13:v.11-18- very very soon).

 

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Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8

1Tim.4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly (by written), that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;


2Tim.4:1-4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and in His kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come 
(and just arrived) when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And 
they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


2Thes.2:v.1-5 
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, 
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the Day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the SON of perdition;  
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 
(Actually he is the Red Dragon, and his body, that is his Church, is founded upon seven heads, which are seven hills and also seven kings, and upon ten horns, which are specifically the 10 tribes that separated themselves from the house of David, and a TAIL characterized by all apostates and false preachers and interpreters of the Word of God (Check it in Isaiah 9: 14-16 and 1 Kings 22: 23-28)
 

1 Kings 22: 23-28
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
24 But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near, and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee?
25 And Micaiah said, Behold, thou shalt see in that day, when thou shalt go into an inner chamber to hide thyself.
26 And the king of Israel said, Take Micaiah, and carry him back unto Amon the governor of the city, and to Joash the king's son;
27 And say, Thus saith the king, Put this fellow in the prison, and feed him with bread of affliction and with water of affliction, until I come in peace.
28 And Micaiah said, If thou return at all in peace, the Lord hath not spoken by me. And he said, Hearken, O people (O nations), every one of you.  

 

Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth? 

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31 minutes ago, Oseas said:

Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8

1Tim.4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly (by written), that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;


2Tim.4:1-4
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and in His kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come 
(and just arrived) when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And 
they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


2Thes.2:v.1-5 
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him, 
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the Day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that Day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the SON of perdition;  
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 
(Actually he is the Red Dragon, and his body, that is his Church, is founded upon seven heads, which are seven hills and also seven kings, and upon ten horns, which are specifically the 10 tribes that separated themselves from the house of David, and a TAIL characterized by all apostates and false preachers and interpreters of the Word of God (Check it in Isaiah 9: 14-16 and 1 Kings 22: 23-28)
 

1 Kings 22: 23-28
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
24 But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near, and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, Which way went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto thee?
25 And Micaiah said, Behold, thou shalt see in that day, when thou shalt go into an inner chamber to hide thyself.
26 And the king of Israel said, Take Micaiah, and carry him back unto Amon the governor of the city, and to Joash the king's son;
27 And say, Thus saith the king, Put this fellow in the prison, and feed him with bread of affliction and with water of affliction, until I come in peace.
28 And Micaiah said, If thou return at all in peace, the Lord hath not spoken by me. And he said, Hearken, O people (O nations), every one of you.  

 

Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth? 

Question...just how does any of this pertain to the Roman Catholic church. Don't get me wrong, quoting Scripture is a good thing...but the ONLY thing in response? Are you actually trying to convey a message here? Thanks.

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