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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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5 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Yep, 123 follow me, say this prayer, now you're saved.

Easy believism has a stranglehold on many Baptist churches today. It doesn't produce true converts and give false hope to many. They have to BELIEVE, not just say a prayer. I find that in most of these cases there is no measurable change in people's lives...no fruit for the kingdom.

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It's better to invite them to church, IMO. My pastor friend literally knocked on every door in his town of about 5,000 residents. There was a college in town (Upstate NY) and he avoided the frats and soros.  If anyone showed interest in discussing more about the bible he would try to witness to them. I went with him a few times mostly for encouragement and prayer. He also helped a pastor starting a new church up in Maine do the same thing. They knocked every door. It took him months to do this.

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1 hour ago, SureWord said:

It's better to invite them to church, IMO. My pastor friend literally knocked on every door in his town of about 5,000 residents. There was a college in town (Upstate NY) and he avoided the frats and soros.  If anyone showed interest in discussing more about the bible he would try to witness to them. I went with him a few times mostly for encouragement and prayer. He also helped a pastor starting a new church up in Maine do the same thing. They knocked every door. It took him months to do this.

I have a pastor friend in Illinois who knocked on every door in town (about 5K) several years back, just after he had taken the church he now pastors. They have had many members leave because of the economy in Illinois, and so his church attendance is down. There are other pastors in town who have gained some of his people, but these churches preach little or no gospel. The other Baptist church in town is SBC and it is very worldly in it's standing. The people who went there from his church had very "itchy ears." They didn't want the Gospel and sound preaching, but an excuse for their sinful lifestyles.

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On 10/18/2021 at 9:50 PM, Jim_Alaska said:

Yep, 123 follow me, say this prayer, now you're saved.

The Gospel in a nutshell is John 3:16. Over and over in the Bible its called a gift, is a gift hard to receive ? if its "hard" that means you worked for it, you can not outwork what JESUS did on the cross. our works are as filthy rages. look up what a filthy rag was used for in bible days, its disgusting. 

 

Some Churches say "Repent of all your sins and then believe on Jesus". ... Well repent of your sins for salvation is no where in the Bible. The only sin you have to repent from is the sin of unbelief. 

I don't think this forum is supposed to be used for theological debate, that is endless, but seriously how do you people that teach works based salvation or Calvinim share "The good news"

 

Knock Knock... Hey Jesus loves you, but you better put down the cigarette, stop cussing, dont even think of lust because Jesus saw that's adultery in your heart, dont hate, dont have envy, here's a list of 4,000 sins... stop doing those. OKAY BYE! 

 

that is not the good news. You Come to God first, he helps you with the rest, you come to him as you are. 

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On 10/19/2021 at 3:08 AM, BrotherTony said:

Easy believism has a stranglehold on many Baptist churches today. It doesn't produce true converts and give false hope to many. They have to BELIEVE, not just say a prayer. I find that in most of these cases there is no measurable change in people's lives...no fruit for the kingdom.

I've seen the change first hand, even in my own family, I witnessed my nephew just come to the lord last month, he had a very troubled life, "123 repeat after me" well guess what after that day, he was in and out not completely sure, then the Holy Spirit moved through him, and he asked us to get baptized about 2 weeks after, and has been coming to church every Sunday. 

For time sake this is one example, however 75% of our members are in church because someone knocked on their door.

 

let me tell you what the prayer does. God told us to do that. does it mean you will be saved? no, its what's in your heart, thats why we tell people its what in your heart that matters, not a magical prayer.

 

but here is why the prayer is so important. if you ask someone to pray, and they say no, that is the ultimate litmus test of their heart. if you do not want to pray but say you believe all these things, something is wrong. 

because every time someone let me read scripture, and they dont want to pray after, I ask them what's holding them back. the list of answers will be, well I believe in science and evolution, well I had an abortion, well I murdered in the military, then we go back, walk them down romans road again and this time go through the points of their concern, and then they are either ready to receive, or you planted the seeds, and leave, and God gives the increase.

On 10/19/2021 at 9:16 AM, SureWord said:

It's better to invite them to church, IMO. My pastor friend literally knocked on every door in his town of about 5,000 residents. There was a college in town (Upstate NY) and he avoided the frats and soros.  If anyone showed interest in discussing more about the bible he would try to witness to them. I went with him a few times mostly for encouragement and prayer. He also helped a pastor starting a new church up in Maine do the same thing. They knocked every door. It took him months to do this.

in the video he literally invited her to church. just remember "you may be the only bible someone will ever read". There are kids on the streets of America, right now, that never heard of Jesus, I wouldn't believe that statement if I haven't saw it twice already. They took God out of schools, TV, even on a video game forum I saw, if you type in God, and hit post, it will change God to "time". ie. only God will know when ..... to Only Time will know when.

 

so what is inviting someone to church when they dont even know what goes on in an church? you have to leave as much scripture as you can. 

 

I wish someone would have knocked my door in college, ESPECIALLY when I was in the Frat houses, doing wicked things. I was hungry for God and Love and Truth and looking in the wrong places. I would have listened, because it also happened to me later on in college and the seeds were planted.

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Let me tell you some reasons why we go out and do this, as I think many of the scoffers of Soul winning using bible verses, have never actually been out.

If you've ever been out with us, we pray before we go out, and we ask God to lead us to those that need to hear the word. we are not out randomly. We are doing God's work. How am I so certain of this? Well when we meet people, and they answer the door and are in tears, and going through some troubling time, and need God in their life right at that point, and we prayed and God showed us where to go, well this is not a coincidence to me. When we go to peoples houses, lead them to the Lord, and then at the end, they ask, very strangely, why we came to their house specifically, "did someone tell you to come here" "are you going around to all of the neighborhood or just here", or when they tell us they prayed to God that day or have been praying, and we show up, that is God showing us where to go. its undeniable if you are out there with us.

 

When we Lead people to the Lord, or plant seeds, and sometimes get phone calls even two years later, and the person saying, ive been thinking about that time, for two years, and im ready to come to church. Or when we lead someone to the Lord, and then tell them we are picking them up Sunday to get baptized, and they get baptized, and they start coming to our church, and become regular members. its undeniable. the only person that would deny these works, and say they dont work, is Satan, the only person putting things in your ear to not go out and share the Gospel, is Satan. he did it to me for a long time, and I dont listen to him anymore. There is no way to share the good news, when you are teaching someone a works based salvation, that is not good news. there is a clear distinction between having faith which produces good works, and salvation. Salvation Is free, you works are garbage compared to the amount you have sinned in your life. you will never do more good than you have bad. if you are relying on yourself to get to Heaven, well good luck with that.

 

Jesus didn't go out and invite people to church, he went out and cut them down with the truth:

For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 

Jesus went to as many cities as possible, and talked to as many people. If you show people the truth, and they want to know, and are convicted, they will go to church, you dont even need the invite. however we do it anyways, and get lots of people in the church. We go soul winning sometimes as far as an hour from our church (obviously we do local too), so we can plug them into a closer church to them. Remember you may be the only bible they will ever read.

 

its also important to go back about repentance, after they Accept Christ, because as soon as you leave, a mormon or JW will knock on their door and try to lead them astray.
 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, KJV1611Florida said:

The Gospel in a nutshell is John 3:16. Over and over in the Bible its called a gift, is a gift hard to receive ? if its "hard" that means you worked for it, you can not outwork what JESUS did on the cross. our works are as filthy rages. look up what a filthy rag was used for in bible days, its disgusting. 

Yes, John 3:16 is the Gospel in a nutshell; So  why not open the conversation with it, why does it have to be, " if you were to die today, are you 100% sure you would go to heaven"? Where is that found in the Bible? Where is it found that they have to say a prayer to be saved. I have heard people from the "easy believism" crowd speak of their witnessing and indicating that the person witnessed to didn't say the prayer, indicating that they didn't get saved. But, if the person says the prayer, they will "count" it as being saved and tell others that the person was saved.

Some Churches say "Repent of all your sins and then believe on Jesus". ... Well repent of your sins for salvation is no where in the Bible. The only sin you have to repent from is the sin of unbelief.

If you think that repentance of sin is not in the Bible, you are in serious need of sound, biblical teaching.
 Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. This was the message of John the Baptist.
Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying,
The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. It was alsothe message of Jesus.
Mark 6:12 (KJV) and they went out, and preached that men should repent. It was the message that the Apostles preached in obedience to Christ.

I don't think this forum is supposed to be used for theological debate, that is endless, but seriously how do you people that teach works based salvation or Calvinim share "The good news"

I know of no one here that preaches a works based salvation, or Calvinism.

Knock Knock... Hey Jesus loves you, but you better put down the cigarette, stop cussing, dont even think of lust because Jesus saw that's adultery in your heart, dont hate, dont have envy, here's a list of 4,000 sins... stop doing those. OKAY BYE! 

 

that is not the good news. You Come to God first, he helps you with the rest, you come to him as you are. 

 

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No one is saying "don't go out soul winning", it is the "method" I was speaking against. This is not a "numbers game". But I have heard some in the "easy believism crowd" almost revel in the number of people they have got to say "the prayer."

As a matter of first hand experience, I heard one of these people tell that they had twenty soul winners go out to knock doors and the result was twenty people got saved.

No one is "scoffing soul winning", it is, once again, the method I am against.

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54 minutes ago, KJV1611Florida said:

I've seen the change first hand, even in my own family, I witnessed my nephew just come to the lord last month, he had a very troubled life, "123 repeat after me" well guess what after that day, he was in and out not completely sure, then the Holy Spirit moved through him, and he asked us to get baptized about 2 weeks after, and has been coming to church every Sunday. 

For time sake this is one example, however 75% of our members are in church because someone knocked on their door.

 

let me tell you what the prayer does. God told us to do that. does it mean you will be saved? no, its what's in your heart, thats why we tell people its what in your heart that matters, not a magical prayer.

 

but here is why the prayer is so important. if you ask someone to pray, and they say no, that is the ultimate litmus test of their heart. if you do not want to pray but say you believe all these things, something is wrong. 

because every time someone let me read scripture, and they dont want to pray after, I ask them what's holding them back. the list of answers will be, well I believe in science and evolution, well I had an abortion, well I murdered in the military, then we go back, walk them down romans road again and this time go through the points of their concern, and then they are either ready to receive, or you planted the seeds, and leave, and God gives the increase.

 

54 minutes ago, KJV1611Florida said:

MY (BrotherTony) RESPONSE TO KJV1611fLORIDA....   EASY BELIEVISM is a quick 1,2,3 pray after me method that many IFB churches began using back in the 1970s. One of the largest propogators of this abhorrant practice was a pastor named Jack Hyles. My observations of the practice, and my own participation in the church I was raised in produced SOME true converts, but produced more false converts than not. I'm not saying that some conversions can't be real, because there are true converts. But, the church is doing a disservice to people by letting them believe that just because they say at prayer they are saved. Many of these converts go right back into their lives as bound for Hell as they were before they repeated the prayer after somebody. Christians need to be careful about the seriousness of the presentation of the Gospel of Christ. 

I have gone "door-knocking" thousands of time, as well as street preaching. Both are good things...useful tools in building the kingdom. I don't think anyone here would disagree with that. If it hadn't been for a woman on bus visitation in Pekin, IL in 1971, my mother would never have come to know the Lord, and my family wouldn't have come to know Christ. My mother's acceptance of Christ was genuine, but it took a few days for the Gospel to finally sink in, and for my mother to accept him. 

 

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We go out soulwinning every week, and I do believe that it is Biblical to do so.

We do need to be careful about just leading people into prayer for the sake of us getting off their doorstep. This truly needs to be a decision on their part and not pressured into praying a prayer that will not save them. I know a church of 20 that has leads hundreds to Christ every year. In their bulletin it said at times that on soul-winning they led 80-100 in Christ that week and 500 saved for the year. Not one single one there at the church from the the year total of 500 saved. 

I understand that it takes time for people to grow in Christ, but the key here is growth. If there is none in ones life, were they truly saved? 

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16 minutes ago, SureWord said:

A big problem I've seen is the quick, canned prayer and then there is never any follow up. 

That was never a problem with the people that said the prayer with me....I always followed up with them. Many ended up being genuine converts to Christianity, but many others ended up only saying the prayer thinking it was a "fire-escape" for themselves. They might be surprised when they never see heaven.

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On a side note, I think it's kinda strange to be secretly filming the person you're trying to win to Christ. I have no problem with filming, but if it's done secretly... well, that's kind sends of red flags to me.  It's a whole another level to then put that on social media.

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27 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

On a side note, I think it's kinda strange to be secretly filming the person you're trying to win to Christ. I have no problem with filming, but if it's done secretly... well, that's kind sends of red flags to me.  It's a whole another level to then put that on social media.

Truly, without that person's permission, it could be a violation of local, state, and federal law. People need to really be careful about this kind of thing.

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4 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

On a side note, I think it's kinda strange to be secretly filming the person you're trying to win to Christ. I have no problem with filming, but if it's done secretly... well, that's kind sends of red flags to me.  It's a whole another level to then put that on social media.

That was my first thought too. 

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On 10/21/2021 at 10:02 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

% sure you would go to heaven"? Where is that found in the Bible? Where is it found that they have to say a prayer to be

 

On 10/21/2021 at 10:02 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

 

 

 

lets talk about something important here. you just added to the Bible with your statement:


 Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent (of your sins) ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 
Mark 1:15 (KJVAnd saying,
 The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent (of your sins) ye, and believe the gospel. 
Mark 6:12 (KJV) and they went out, and preached that men should repent (of their sins)

 

let me ask you a question, did you repent of all your sins? are you sinless? Which sins did you repent of? you see.... we average 70,000 thoughts per day, how many of those thoughts of yours are without sin? for me... not many.

Do we just need to try to repent? do we just need to repent of the major sins? I'm willing to bet 99% of christians do not think they are sinless. 

in the Bible, God often uses reiteration to further define words. Now if you go back in context, and read the verses, can you tell me what the object is , of the action "Repent", which most of the times used in the NT, means "to turn from [object]"?

 

Now what happens if I show you hundreds of verses, that say believe on the Lord Jesus, and ye shall be saved? and it DOES NOT have the word repent, in there, is the Bible contradicting itself? in John, the word repent is not in there one time. If you had a choice to sneak only one book into North Korea or China, which book would you sneak in? I would probably take John, but it doesn't have repent in there at all.... does that mean I shouldn't bring that book?

 

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

 

if I was suicidal and following this logic, I would never be able to come clean enough for God, and what would happen in my mental state? there is many (family) accounts of people with depression following this 'come clean first before you believe on God' theory, and they ended up taking their own lives. this is dangerous.

 

 

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