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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

A Place Called Hell


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When was the last time you heard or preached on a place called Hell? This is not common, for many are afraid to or just don't believe in it.

Rev. 20:10. “The Devil That Deceived Them Was Cast Into The Lake Of Fire And Brimstone, Where The Beast And The False Prophet Are, And Shall Be Tormented Day And Night For Ever And Ever.” Matt. 25:41. “Then Shall He Say Also Unto Them On The Left Hand, Depart From Me, Ye Cursed, Into Everlasting Fire, Prepared For The Devil And His Angels.”

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I never have (sorry, I just had to do that 😉 ). Seriously, hubs preaches a sermon on Hell whenever God leads him to do so. It's been a few months, but he does, as Jim's pastor does, mention it often. He agrees that it is far too seldom preached on.

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Happy Christian, that's not bad at all your reply, you can be in a Baptist church years, and never hear a message on a place called Hell. Now on giving or the tithe, we don't have this problem preaching on monthly. I do support giving, but this should not be the most important message. 

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3 hours ago, E Morales said:

Happy Christian, that's not bad at all your reply, you can be in a Baptist church years, and never hear a message on a place called Hell. Now on giving or the tithe, we don't have this problem preaching on monthly. I do support giving, but this should not be the most important message. 

Ive only been in ONE Baptist church where I've never heard a sermon on Hell, and that church was an American Baptist Conveention church that a friend attended. Looking back on the transcripts he kept of the sermons, I only saw the mention of Hell one time, and it was just in passing. I don't believe I agree with your comment, though, that one can be in a Baptist church for years and never hear a message on Hell. It's just not that common. 

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I may be, and probably am, a bit paranoid when it comes to the "wording" of this subject. I hope I can explain what I am thinking, so that others don't get the wrong idea.

When I said "wording" above, I meant the exact wording, as in; "a place called Hell". My concern comes from what I have observed with Christians that are into "easy believism".  (sp?)

In my experience, these folks usually have a pre-rehearsed "spiel" that they use when going door to door. somewhere in that spiel they will talk about Hell with the homeowner, but in every instance I have heard, they invariably say; "a place called Hell". They NEVER say the word Hell alone. It's almost like a "follow the leader" kind of thing; where that is what they were taught and so, that is always the way they say it.

Why is this a concern to me? Simple, when I hear this said this way, I always associate it with easy believism, which I do not agree with at all. To me, it is an "indicator". You know, it's the stuff where they use a pre-rehearsed spiel and if the person they are witnessing to will repeat a made up prayer asking Jesus into their heart, they are pronounced "saved".

This seems to be a "numbers game". They keep track of the number of people that have "made a decision", and whoever gets the most is seen as a great soul winner. As you can probably tell, I don't like this sort of what I call, "make believe evangelism". I have seen way too much of this sort of thing; which usually results in, no follow up, no Baptism, no teaching and no follow through on the part of the person supposedly saved.

I hope I have not offended anyone, and this is not intended for any one person on this board. But this is based on my experience and dislike of this method of soul winning.

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A place call Hell is mention much, in our bibles and should be preach but not abuse.

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Deut.32

  1. [22] For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

2Sam.22

  1. [6] The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Job.11

  1. [8] It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Job.26

  1. [6] Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.

Pss.9

  1. [17] The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Pss.16

  1. [10] For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Pss.18

  1. [5] The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Pss.55

  1. [15] Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Pss.86

  1. [13] For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

Pss.116

  1. [3] The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

Pss.139

  1. [8] If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Prov.5

  1. [5] Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

Prov.7

  1. [27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Prov.9

  1. [18] But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

Prov.15

  1. [11] Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
  2. [24] The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Prov.23

  1. [14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Prov.27

  1. [20] Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Isa.5

  1. [14] Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Isa.14

  1. [9] Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
  2. [15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa.28

  1. [15] Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
  2. [18] And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Isa.57

  1. [9] And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.

Ezek.31

  1. [16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
  2. [17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

Ezek.32

  1. [21] The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
  2. [27] And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.

Amos.9

  1. [2] Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:

Jonah.2

  1. [2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Hab.2

  1. [5] Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

4Ezra.2

  1. [29] My hands shall cover thee, so that thy children shall not see hell.

4Ezra.4

  1. [8] Peradventure thou wouldest say unto me, I never went down into the deep, nor as yet intohell, neither did I ever climb up into heaven.

4Ezra.8

  1. [53] The root of evil is sealed up from you, weakness and the moth is hid from you, and corruption is fled into hell to be forgotten:

Tob.13

  1. [2] For he doth scourge, and hath mercy: he leadeth down to hell, and bringeth up again: neither is there any that can avoid his hand.

Wis.16

  1. [13] For thou hast power of life and death: thou leadest to the gates of hell, and bringest up again.

Wis.17

  1. [14] But they sleeping the same sleep that night, which was indeed intolerable, and which came upon them out of the bottoms of inevitable hell,

Sir.21

  1. [10] The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell.

Sir.51

  1. [5] From the depth of the belly of hell, from an unclean tongue, and from lying words.
  2. [6] By an accusation to the king from an unrighteous tongue my soul drew near even unto death, my life was near to the hell beneath.
  3. [66] O Ananias, Azarias, and Misael, bless ye the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever: far he hath delivered us from hell, and saved us from the hand of death, and delivered us out of the midst of the furnace and burning flame: even out of the midst of the fire hath he delivered us.

Matt.5

  1. [22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
  2. [29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
  3. [30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matt.10

  1. [28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body inhell.

Matt.11

  1. [23] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Matt.16

  1. [18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matt.18

  1. [9] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matt.23

  1. [15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
  2. [33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mark.9

  1. [43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
  2. [45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
  3. [47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Luke.10

  1. [15] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

Luke.12

  1. [5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke.16

  1. [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Acts.2

  1. [27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
  2. [31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left inhell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Jas.3

  1. [6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

2Pet.2

  1. [4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Rev.1

  1. [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev.6

  1. [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hellfollowed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev.20

  1. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
  2. [14] And death and hell were cast in
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I agree Bro. Morales, Hell is mentioned much as you pointed out with your Bible verses. But that was not quite what I was talking about. In all of your verses the word "Hell" is mentioned. But what I was talk exception with was the words "a place called", and how many many people cannot say only the word Hell, without adding "a place called"  in front of the word Hell.

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6 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I agree Bro. Morales, Hell is mentioned much as you pointed out with your Bible verses. But that was not quite what I was talking about. In all of your verses the word "Hell" is mentioned. But what I was talk exception with was the words "a place called", and how many many people cannot say only the word Hell, without adding "a place called"  in front of the word Hell.

For me, because of the church I was raised in, I NEVER use the words "a place called Hell," and for the reason you gave. It's used often in the "easy believism" presentation of salvation. I never have liked it. I usually prefer to say that "Hell is real. It is hot, and is eternal." I've had people put off their decision to be saved because I didn't follow the "spiel," as you put it. It makes me feel like I'm trying to sell a used car when I have to give the plan of salvation in such a leading way instead of letting the Holy Spirit convict and work on people's hearts. 

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8 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I agree Bro. Morales, Hell is mentioned much as you pointed out with your Bible verses. But that was not quite what I was talking about. In all of your verses the word "Hell" is mentioned. But what I was talk exception with was the words "a place called", and how many many people cannot say only the word Hell, without adding "a place called"  in front of the word Hell.

Unfortunately like many other words of the Bible and names, the word hell has been twisted in our generation, it’s pretty much being more polite by saying a place called hell, rather then just saying, you will go to hell. This is my humble opinion.

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3 hours ago, E Morales said:

Unfortunately like many other words of the Bible and names, the word hell has been twisted in our generation, it’s pretty much being more polite by saying a place called hell, rather then just saying, you will go to hell. This is my humble opinion.

I know of very few whom, when explaining Hell, use the phrase "a place called Hell." Would you please give an example of how it has been twisted? Most of the preachers and people who actively witness on a regular basis (at least the ones I know) are direct explaining that if they reject Jesus Christ as savior, they will spend an eternity in Hell. Thanks.

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4 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

I know of very few whom, when explaining Hell, use the phrase "a place called Hell." Would you please give an example of how it has been twisted? Most of the preachers and people who actively witness on a regular basis (at least the ones I know) are direct explaining that if they reject Jesus Christ as savior, they will spend an eternity in Hell. Thanks.

Brother Tony, I think either I have not explained my concern accurately, or folks are not understand my concern. There is no example to give. My concern was my observations in regard to some brethren who, when out witnessing and door knocking, use this term: "a place called Hell".

It is not the term that is my concern, it is simply that in my experience this term indicates to me that they have been taught to witness using a system of "easy believism. This system uses a pre-rehearsed method of witnessing such as; 1 2 3 follow me, where the person being witnessed to follows through a series of steps that end with them following the door knocker in a prayer that asks Jesus into their heart. At which time they are pronounced "saved" by the one doing the witnessing.

My main concern in this is the method, not the words, witnessing to the lost is not supposed to be like a Mary Kay seminar.

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I am sorry brother Tony. In my reply to this I did not see that you had posted another reply that addressed my concerns perfectly. I had thought that you were asking me for an example and didn't see that you were asking Bro. Morales. Your example of the subject being like a used car salesman it just the kind of thing I was thinking of.

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36 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Brother Tony, I think either I have not explained my concern accurately, or folks are not understand my concern. There is no example to give. My concern was my observations in regard to some brethren who, when out witnessing and door knocking, use this term: "a place called Hell".

It is not the term that is my concern, it is simply that in my experience this term indicates to me that they have been taught to witness using a system of "easy believism. This system uses a pre-rehearsed method of witnessing such as; 1 2 3 follow me, where the person being witnessed to follows through a series of steps that end with them following the door knocker in a prayer that asks Jesus into their heart. At which time they are pronounced "saved" by the one doing the witnessing.

My main concern in this is the method, not the words, witnessing to the lost is not supposed to be like a Mary Kay seminar.

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I am sorry brother Tony. In my reply to this I did not see that you had posted another reply that addressed my concerns perfectly. I had thought that you were asking me for an example and didn't see that you were asking Bro. Morales. Your example of the subject being like a used car salesman it just the kind of thing I was thinking of.

Not a problem at all, Brother.  We none are perfect. I was just seeking some clarification from @E Morales, as the statement seemed to be "blanket" in a way. Examples might help guage his frame of mind in this. 

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