Members heartstrings Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) Revelation 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. What we commonly refer to as a "star", is a "sun". So if just one of those were to collide with earth, it would take one and only one and the planet would be completely engulfed and melted. One collision and there would nothing left for any additional "stars" (plural) to fall onto. So methinks that the "stars" mentioned in the Bible include the massive asteroids and comets which astronomers call "NEO's", "NEA's" and "NEC's" and they're getting mighty close. What say ye? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-s-first-asteroid-deflection-mission-enters-next-design-phase Edited October 6, 2021 by heartstrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SureWord Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 Unless the stars aren't as big and/or massive as the reprobates in NASA and the Universities say they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted October 6, 2021 Author Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, SureWord said: Unless the stars aren't as big and/or massive as the reprobates in NASA and the Universities say they are. True SureWord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) Revelation 12:4 to me it reads as angels, but I also agree with your meteoroid theory. I believe that’s how it will appear. Interestingly John Hopkins is leader in this push of DART. As well as the COVID vaccine. Edited October 6, 2021 by Hugh_Flower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrotherTony Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, SureWord said: Unless the stars aren't as big and/or massive as the reprobates in NASA and the Universities say they are. In some commentaries I've read concerning this verse, they are ASTEROIDS, not stars. I'm not saying they are, but it's a possibility. Because of the time that this was written in, there are many things that are put into terminology of that time to describe things, ie., when the dragon is described with ten horns...this isn't a literal dragon, but something else. Who would have known how to describe this in that time period...only in figurative terminology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 minute ago, BrotherTony said: In some commentaries I've read concerning this verse, they are ASTEROIDS, not stars. I'm not saying they are, but it's a possibility. Because of the time that this was written in, there are many things that are put into terminology of that time to describe things, ie., when the dragon is described with ten horns...this isn't a literal dragon, but something else. Who would have known how to describe this in that time period...only in figurative terminology. Well “shooting stars” is a meteor burning in our atmosphere. It is a literal dragon, that is a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrotherTony Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hugh_Flower said: Well “shooting stars” is a meteor burning in our atmosphere. It is a literal dragon, that is a fact. They are called "shooting stars", yes. But, as you just mentioned, they are meteors. Difference in terminology. So, would you mind providing proof that it is a literal "dragon?" If I'm not mistaken, the dragon is the devil. Edited October 6, 2021 by BrotherTony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said: They are called "shooting stars", yes. But, as you just mentioned, they are meteors. Difference in terminology. So, would you mind providing proof that it is a literal "dragon?" Revelation 12:9 Revelation 20:2 Revelation 13:2 Revelation 12:7 Isaiah 27:1 The dragon is Satan. 12:9 Is how we get the idea that the fallen stars are Satans angels its a pretty cool study Edited October 6, 2021 by Hugh_Flower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrotherTony Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hugh_Flower said: Revelation 12:9 Revelation 20:2 Revelation 13:2 Revelation 12:7 Isaiah 51:9 The dragon is Satan. 12:9 Is how we get the idea that the fallen stars are Satans angels its a pretty cool study Again...Satan is CALLED a dragon...another name for him...He is NOT a literal dragon. He is an ANGEL A fallen angel, yes, but still an angel. Figures of speech for a description of what was depicted. Just like the "lion" and the "bear." They are to represent certain countries. I agree, it is a pretty cool study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) Read Job 41 and then read Isaiah 27:1 .We get a description of what it looks like. That’s pretty clearly a dragon. Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. How can you deny that, when you read Job 41 and then Isaiah 27:1 Edited October 6, 2021 by Hugh_Flower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrotherTony Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hugh_Flower said: Read Job 41 and then read Isaiah 27:1 .We get a description of what it looks like. That’s pretty clearly a dragon. Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. How can you deny that, when you read Job 41 and then Isaiah 27:1 Many believe that this leviathin is akin to the crocodile...an extinct kin to the crocodile. I'm not so sure it is extinct. But, over the years many things have been referred to as a dragon. Did you read the whole passage in context, Hugh? I mean, it actually goes back into the chapter before Job 41.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said: Many believe that this leviathin is akin to the crocodile...an extinct kin to the crocodile. I'm not so sure it is extinct. But, over the years many things have been referred to as a dragon. Did you read the whole passage in context, Hugh? I mean, it actually goes back into the chapter before Job 41.... I mean you can listen to others or you can compare scripture to scripture. Personally, I’ve never heard of a fire breathing crocodile. And If I did, I think it being fire breathing probably makes it a dragon, and it’s scales being impenetrable. Weird How it’s called the serpent, and that’s also another name for Satan, and that Christ him self comes to kill it. And Yes I have read Job. Honestly this is where my argument lands and it’s either we believe what the Bible says, or we believe what we want to believe. Edited October 6, 2021 by Hugh_Flower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrotherTony Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hugh_Flower said: I mean you can listen to others or you can compare scripture to scripture. Personally, I’ve never heard of a fire breathing crocodile. And If I did, I think making it fire breathing probably makes it a dragon. And Yes I have read Job It's possible you are right...it's also possible that it's a typeology of the crocodile. It's not listening to man, and it IS comparing scripture with scripture. It doesn't make it any less descriptive of something or someone else. Look, we don't have to agree on everything that is written unless it is TOTALLY clear and it's DOCTRINAL. It doesn't make us any less brother in Christ. It doesn't make us enemies...so we'll have to agree to disagree on what it is. Jim_Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Hugh_Flower Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said: It's possible you are right...it's also possible that it's a typeology of the crocodile. It's not listening to man, and it IS comparing scripture with scripture. It doesn't make it any less descriptive of something or someone else. Look, we don't have to agree on everything that is written unless it is TOTALLY clear and it's DOCTRINAL. It doesn't make us any less brother in Christ. It doesn't make us enemies...so we'll have to agree to disagree on what it is. Sure I do agree with you on that we are 100% Brothers in Christ, and that small differences shouldn’t grieve the opportunity of fellowship. I come off as hard, I do apologize in that. What typology breathes fire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members BrotherTony Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hugh_Flower said: Sure I do agree with you on that we are 100% Brothers in Christ, and that small differences shouldn’t grieve the opportunity of fellowship. I come off as hard, I do apologize in that. What typology breathes fire? So do I, as you pointed out in another thread....I'm just very direct. It offends some people, but, I've been that way ever since I was a child. No need to apologize to me, Hugh. Differences of opinion are the spice of life! I'm not offended by them. Blessings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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