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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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6 minutes ago, Hugh_Flower said:

Guns are also protection from are own government. I frown at men who refuse to carry if they have a wife and kids. It shows that they are unwilling to protect.

 

I've had Christian men tell me they would do nothing to protect their family if they were being raped and murdered other then pray and turn the other cheek.

Absolutely pathetic 

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2 minutes ago, SureWord said:

I've had Christian men tell me they would do nothing to protect their family if they were being raped and murdered other then pray and turn the other cheek.

Absolutely pathetic 

I have reasons to doubt, either they lied about their faith or they lied about what they would do. 

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Bill, ever hear of "The Combat Zone" in Boston? That name was coined for that section of Boston because of the danger of even going there.  If you have heard of it, I think I may qualify by your standard. Today I live very remote, which makes for lots of crazies and hoodlums looking for easy pickins'.

In any event, I would rather be armed and ready than unarmed and a victim, or worse yet, my family becoming victims because I didn't do my job to protect them.

My being armed and a peaceful, law abiding citizen threatens no one but the bad guys.

At Lexington/Concord, when the battle was over and we had defeated The Redcoats, the pastor of the church there counted thirteen dead church members who died defending this country and using the very same armament that the British used.

16 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

And there is equipment designed to be used in the action of an assault. No private citizen needs assault equipment. 

Bill, in case you may have missed it; a sword is an "assault weapon".

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13 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Thus, if you take the constitution literally only those 700 men could legally keep arms for protection of the state, not everyone. Thus this show the modern myth of the 2nd amendment providing security from the state is false. The 2nd amendment was or the militia only. 

Evidently you don't have the foggiest clue regarding what a militia is Bill. A militia is made up of all of the able bodied citizens.

Try this: 

What did militia mean in 1776?
What is a militia? At the time of the American Revolutionary War, militias were groups of able-bodied men who protected their towns, colonies, and eventually states.
 
What is a militia in simple terms?
1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service. 2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service.
 
How old do you have to be to be in a militia?17 years of age(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States.
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7 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Bill, ever hear of "The Combat Zone" in Boston? That name was coined for that section of Boston because of the danger of even going there.  If you have heard of it, I think I may qualify by your standard. Today I live very remote, which makes for lots of crazies and hoodlums looking for easy pickins'.

In any event, I would rather be armed and ready than unarmed and a victim, or worse yet, my family becoming victims because I didn't do my job to protect them.

My being armed and a peaceful, law abiding citizen threatens no one but the bad guys.

At Lexington/Concord, when the battle was over and we had defeated The Redcoats, the pastor of the church there counted thirteen dead church members who died defending this country and using the very same armament that the British used.

Bill, in case you may have missed it; a sword is an "assault weapon".

A sword has many purposes. An assault rifle has only one purpose, to kill people. 

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I guess the question to ask would be, is it a sin to own something that was created to kill to self protect?  Or is it simply an issue on how you use it. 

A sword does has many purposes...and if you look through out history it seems the majority of those swords made during war time (thousands if not millions) was made for the purpose to kill.

If it is wrong to own something that was made for killing...then If I made a sword for the purpose of opening cans, its ok, but if I make a sword for war that sword now becomes wrong.

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10 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Evidently you don't have the foggiest clue regarding what a militia is Bill. A militia is made up of all of the able bodied citizens.

Try this: 

What did militia mean in 1776?
What is a militia? At the time of the American Revolutionary War, militias were groups of able-bodied men who protected their towns, colonies, and eventually states.
 
What is a militia in simple terms?
1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service. 2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service.
 
How old do you have to be to be in a militia?17 years of age(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32 , under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States.

crickets GIF

Got quiet lol

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1 hour ago, PastorMatt said:

crickets GIF

Got quiet lol

You just cannot help yourself, can you? Just more abuse.

3 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

I guess the question to ask would be, is it a sin to own something that was created to kill to self protect?  Or is it simply an issue on how you use it. 

A sword does has many purposes...and if you look through out history it seems the majority of those swords made during war time (thousands if not millions) was made for the purpose to kill.

If it is wrong to own something that was made for killing...then If I made a sword for the purpose of opening cans, its ok, but if I make a sword for war that sword now becomes wrong.

Best be careful opening a can with a sword. You might cut yourself badly. 

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41 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

You just cannot help yourself, can you? Just more abuse.

Please stop with this rhetoric. It's a simple gif that is for all who post in this thread. Everything you don't like is not abuse, please stop saying that every person who disagrees with you is abuse. 

43 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Best be careful opening a can with a sword. You might cut yourself badly. 

Please re-read my entire post. The context was not about opening a can with a sword, but rather the focus was on the purpose for which things are made. Please keep things in context, thank you.

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13 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Bill, ever hear of "The Combat Zone" in Boston? That name was coined for that section of Boston because of the danger of even going there.  If you have heard of it, I think I may qualify by your standard. Today I live very remote, which makes for lots of crazies and hoodlums looking for easy pickins'.

In any event, I would rather be armed and ready than unarmed and a victim, or worse yet, my family becoming victims because I didn't do my job to protect them.

My being armed and a peaceful, law abiding citizen threatens no one but the bad guys.

At Lexington/Concord, when the battle was over and we had defeated The Redcoats, the pastor of the church there counted thirteen dead church members who died defending this country and using the very same armament that the British used.

Bill, in case you may have missed it; a sword is an "assault weapon".

"The Combat Zone" doesn't make the top ten dangerous communities in America. Now if you want danger go to SE Washington, DC. If that is too dangerous for you, try E. 5th St. in Los Angeles. 

3 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Please stop with this rhetoric. It's a simple gif that is for all who post in this thread. Everything you don't like is not abuse, please stop saying that every person who disagrees with you is abuse. 

Please re-read my entire post. The context was not about opening a can with a sword, but rather the focus was on the purpose for which things are made. Please keep things in context, thank you.

No, calling names and using negative labels is abuse. I do not mind if you disagree politely and respectfully. 

Now, how about stopping this foolishness and discussing something more beneficial, like finances that I mentioned previously? OK?

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9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

"The Combat Zone" doesn't make the top ten dangerous communities in America. Now if you want danger go to SE Washington, DC. If that is too dangerous for you, try E. 5th St. in Los Angeles. 

No, calling names and using negative labels is abuse. I do not mind if you disagree politely and respectfully. 

Now, how about stopping this foolishness and discussing something more beneficial, like finances that I mentioned previously? OK?

We've been discussing this in private, please continue to follow Matthew 18 like I mention in private message. Why you bringing it here? That post was directed at ALL, everything is not about you. I quoted Jim in that post!!!

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3 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Now, how about stopping this foolishness and discussing something more beneficial, like finances that I mentioned previously? OK?

"Something more beneficial"? Are you aware that this is an IFB discussion board that was designed for fellowship between like minded Christians? How about YOU discussing Scriptural things instead of deflecting everything into the political realm?

Finances? How about Scripture or Scriptural things? Now let's see how you deflect this.

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17 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

The Combat Zone

I'm familiar with it, I don't go into that part of Boston too often, just the Promised Land (Fenway Park).  Most of that area is cleaned up now, PTL. 

Anyways, Swords are made and designed to kill. Just look up the history of a Sword, it was made for war so it does qualify as "assault" weapon. My gun is made for killing as well, I use it for other things like going to the range and shooting targets. My Sword is on my wall, it is used for decoration right now. Both made to kill.

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On 9/6/2021 at 8:11 AM, PastorMatt said:

One of the ten commandments is "Thou shalt not kill", not that shall not own anything that can kill. We find in Scripture that God allows us to own weapons. Luke 22:37-39, 

If someone kills a brother,  what then ? 

If someone hates a brother,  what then ? 

If someone causes a brother to stumble, resulting in losing his faith or just losing peace and joy, or being cursed by God,  because of it, what then ? 

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32 minutes ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

If someone kills a brother,  what then ? 

If someone hates a brother,  what then ? 

If someone causes a brother to stumble, resulting in losing his faith or just losing peace and joy, or being cursed by God,  because of it, what then ? 

I'm confused as to what you are asking

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You can go on with hypotheticals all day, how about real scenarios?

1 hour ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

If someone kills a brother,  what then ? 

If someone hates a brother,  what then ? 

If someone causes a brother to stumble, resulting in losing his faith or just losing peace and joy, or being cursed by God,  because of it, what then ? 

Get to the point Jeff. No one knows what you are asking about. Just asking random questions makes no sense.

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28 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

You can go on with hypotheticals all day, how about real scenarios?

Get to the point Jeff. No one knows what you are asking about. Just asking random questions makes no sense.

Specifically,  what is written in Scripture about someone who takes the life of another person ?  (whether brother or not)

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      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
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      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
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      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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