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1 hour ago, SureWord said:

20-20 is perfect. Really, it's not that we shouldn't have gone in its we shouldn't have stayed for 20 years. Probably a year or two.

I agree we should not have stayed 20 years. I do agree with Biden, if we waited 5 or more years before we pulled out the result would be the same. 

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11 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

If we followed God's play we would have promoted peace and not war. 

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God."

Matthew 5:9 

 

Do you always attempt to antagonize? I suppose someone has to do it.

God doesn't 'play' I'm sure you meant 'plan' not play.  Matthew 10:34   "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Romans 12:18   "If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men." 

We (USA) had no intention of involving ourselves in a protracted war with the Taliban or any of the terrorist groups given haven  there. We were living peaceably with them. However, from that haven, the USA was attacked. The government of the USA is a secular entity and is subject to passions of any lost unsaved folks. They are also subject (or should be) to the passions of citizens of the USA and many of them are lost. The citizens were enraged and the government responded with a search and destroy mission for Osama Bin Laden. The remainder of the mission suffered 'mission creep' and resulted in 20 years of war over there with prevention of other terrorist attacks as justification. Sadly, Obama and Biden could have pulled us out after they killed Osama and his family but they chose instead to relieve every general and admiral who advised them to get out. Back to my comments its Obama and Biden's fault we have no military leadership remaining.

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9 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Bush made the mistake of going in. All the presidents since have made mistakes. We should never have gone in.

So, instead of going after the Taliban, Isis and Al Quada we should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go....I see. We should have gone in with the ONE objective of ending these groups permanently and finding Osama Bin Laden and taking him out, then getting out. We shouldn't be nation building. Seems like lately we can't take care of our own nation, and allowing the Taliban to take back over in the capital of Afghanistan is just more proof of this administrations failed policies...At least the previous admiistration had a more measured response to leaving on a timely basis. 

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30 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

So, instead of going after the Taliban, Isis and Al Quada we should have just let the attacks on 9/11 go....I see. We should have gone in with the ONE objective of ending these groups permanently and finding Osama Bin Laden and taking him out, then getting out. We shouldn't be nation building. Seems like lately we can't take care of our own nation, and allowing the Taliban to take back over in the capital of Afghanistan is just more proof of this administrations failed policies...At least the previous admiistration had a more measured response to leaving on a timely basis. 

Did any of the terrorists on 9/11 come from Afghanistan? 

Why didn't we go after the country where the majority were from?

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6 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Did any of the terrorists on 9/11 come from Afghanistan? 

Why didn't we go after the country where the majority were from?

Afghanistan was harboring Osama Bin Laden...all intelligence reported for over 18 months pointed to them. Pakistan, too, was hiding hiim. Where the attackers came from in unimportant...where the mastermind and money trail led to was far more important. You should know that by now...but again, why should I expect you to use deductive reasoning? You've done so little of it in the past communications I've had with you. I see you're still trying to deflect and introduce irrelevant, leftist theories. You'll never learn.

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24 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Afghanistan was harboring Osama Bin Laden...all intelligence reported for over 18 months pointed to them. Pakistan, too, was hiding hiim. Where the attackers came from in unimportant...where the mastermind and money trail led to was far more important. You should know that by now...but again, why should I expect you to use deductive reasoning? You've done so little of it in the past communications I've had with you. I see you're still trying to deflect and introduce irrelevant, leftist theories. You'll never learn.

And where did the money come from?

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10 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I agree we should not have stayed 20 years. I do agree with Biden, if we waited 5 or more years before we pulled out the result would be the same. 

That's the argument that Biden keeps having with himself. It's NOT that we pulled out of Afghanistan, its HOW we pulled out. That is the part Biden will not talk about. He just deflects back to the we should never have been there which he is correct, but nobody is arguing that part lol).  How this for a plan, evacuate people BEFORE the military pulls out. 

The blood of many is on his hands. Executed correctly, many lives could have been saved.

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20 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

If we followed God's play we would have promoted peace and not war. 

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God."

Matthew 5:9 

 

Would you be willing to discus this topic of Matt 5:9 in another thread? Christ, the Prince of Peace, realized there must at times be conflict. 

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1 hour ago, PastorMatt said:

That's the argument that Biden keeps having with himself. It's NOT that we pulled out of Afghanistan, its HOW we pulled out. That is the part Biden will not talk about. He just deflects back to the we should never have been there which he is correct, but nobody is arguing that part lol).  How this for a plan, evacuate people BEFORE the military pulls out. 

The blood of many is on his hands. Executed correctly, many lives could have been saved.

How about we actually have a commander-in-chief who's got brains enough to remove military ordinants before leaving the country so that there's nothing left for the enemy to use against their citizens or their neighboring countries? Biden's been a miserable failure and has given the Taliban all it needs to continue just as strong as it was before!

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

And where did the money come from?

Seems like you can't think for yourself, BB...I'm NOT doing your homework for you! You know for sure that much of the money came from Osama, and some may have come from his family....But, you wouldn't want to have him take responsibility for that, now, would you?

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1 hour ago, PastorMatt said:

Would you be willing to discus this topic of Matt 5:9 in another thread? Christ, the Prince of Peace, realized there must at times be conflict. 

Sure, start a thread. 

36 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

How about we actually have a commander-in-chief who's got brains enough to remove military ordinants before leaving the country so that there's nothing left for the enemy to use against their citizens or their neighboring countries? Biden's been a miserable failure and has given the Taliban all it needs to continue just as strong as it was before!

Seems like you can't think for yourself, BB...I'm NOT doing your homework for you! You know for sure that much of the money came from Osama, and some may have come from his family....But, you wouldn't want to have him take responsibility for that, now, would you?

First paragraph.

Most of the ordnance was what we had given the Afghani military so they could defend the country. Too  bad they simply ran away, leaving the ordnance behind and giving the Taliban a free gift.

 

Second paragraph. You are admitting you do not know who supplied the money. I know who supplied it. It was and is common knowledge. So, you need to do a bit of research so you will know.

Should we have gone after the country that supplied the money?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

 

 

Second paragraph. You are admitting you do not know who supplied the money. I know who supplied it. It was and is common knowledge. So, you need to do a bit of research so you will know.

Should we have gone after the country that supplied the money?

 

 

I don't know what you're trying to push over on me, BB...but it's not going to work. I haven't admitted anything...All I said was that I wasn't going to do your homework for you. You keep answering questions with questions...typical of someone who has NO ANSWERS...which apparently, you don't! Go figure!

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16 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I don't know what you're trying to push over on me, BB...but it's not going to work. I haven't admitted anything...All I said was that I wasn't going to do your homework for you. You keep answering questions with questions...typical of someone who has NO ANSWERS...which apparently, you don't! Go figure!

I've  done my homework. I seriously doubt you have as you dodged the question.

Now, an easier question. Should we have gone after the country that supplied the money?"

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7 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I've  done my homework. I seriously doubt you have as you dodged the question.

Now, an easier question. Should we have gone after the country that supplied the money?"

I've not dodged anything...and you're pulling the same thing you did before you 'took a vacation." Remember, BB, I'm NOT going to be intimidated by you. You've got little sway over anything I do or feel. You've been trying to get me to answer your inane questions for several weeks now, and I thought you'd have learned...you answer a question with a question like you're still doing, and you'll not get an answer from me. I don't play those games. You apparently don't know who supplied the money, as you're still iem-hawing around looking for an answer. I've told you where the money came from...accept it and move on. 

Now, back to the Taliban...which apparently BB wants to avoid since he's trying to derail his own thread again! 

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The execution of leaving had no thought out plan other than getting on planes and leave, that was the problem. Of course doing the same execution in 5, 10, 15 or 20 years will produce the same result. However a well thought out execution that had American and our allies best interested in mind would have produced a better outcome and we'd not be talking about this right now. The execution is squarely on Biden's shoulders. 

Biden only cares about people not dying of covid, not by execution... well, that's part of the plan I guess.

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6 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I've not dodged anything...and you're pulling the same thing you did before you 'took a vacation." Remember, BB, I'm NOT going to be intimidated by you. You've got little sway over anything I do or feel. You've been trying to get me to answer your inane questions for several weeks now, and I thought you'd have learned...you answer a question with a question like you're still doing, and you'll not get an answer from me. I don't play those games. You apparently don't know who supplied the money, as you're still iem-hawing around looking for an answer. I've told you where the money came from...accept it and move on. 

Now, back to the Taliban...which apparently BB wants to avoid since he's trying to derail his own thread again! 

Well, just answer my question please. Should we have gone after the country that supplied the money?

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19 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Well, just answer my question please. Should we have gone after the country that supplied the money?

You have no idea where the money came from even though I've given you several possibilities to choose from. Do your own homework....We went after the country that was harboring the terrorist who set up the attacks...that's all that matters...Care to go around again, BB?? You're losing! 

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8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

You have no idea where the money came from even though I've given you several possibilities to choose from. Do your own homework....We went after the country that was harboring the terrorist who set up the attacks...that's all that matters...Care to go around again, BB?? You're losing! 

No. Your refusal to answer answers all I need to know.

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Just now, Bouncing Bill said:

No. Your refusal to answer answers all I need to know.

I've not refused to answer anything. It's just NOT THE ANSWER YOU WANT. You still think you can intimidate people like the Talibans does, eh? Maybe you should go to Afghanistan and help! 

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