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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Per title, it's about time I purchase a new Bible to preach from. My current  preaching Bible of 30+ years is beyond repair. It is a Scofield Bible and I'm starting to have a hard time reading the small print. he Bible has been taped together plenty of times, but pages keep falling out now so time to purchase a new Bible. Thank you, I'm not looking for wide margin Bible, but rather just a good Bible to use while preaching.

My questions are,

  1. What type of KJV Bible do you recommend or even maybe use?  Scofield, Cambridge, Thompson Chain, etc. 
  2. What size font do you like to use?
  3. Goatskin, Lambskin, etc? Which one holds up better?

 

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I was raised with the Scofield, but later transitioned to a Thompson Chain, which I've had for nearly 40 years. I need a new one as well. So does my wife. We both need larger lettering since we are on the verge of getting tri-focals in our glasses. We both alos like the goatskin covering. We've found that to be more durable than the lambskin. 

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16 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

Per title, it's about time I purchase a new Bible to preach from. My current  preaching Bible of 30+ years is beyond repair. It is a Scofield Bible and I'm starting to have a hard time reading the small print. he Bible has been taped together plenty of times, but pages keep falling out now so time to purchase a new Bible. Thank you, I'm not looking for wide margin Bible, but rather just a good Bible to use while preaching.

My questions are,

  1. What type of KJV Bible do you recommend or even maybe use?  Scofield, Cambridge, Thompson Chain, etc. 
  2. What size font do you like to use?
  3. Goatskin, Lambskin, etc? Which one holds up better?

 

Matt, I have probably spent way too much time researching bibles and I have personally owned many many different bibles over the years. 


For just a preaching bible, I would 100% recommend the Thomas Nelson Preaching Bible, the cover is a durable genuine leather, the paper is premium quality, and the typography and layout are superb. 

https://biblebuyingguide.com/thomas-nelson-kjv-preaching-bible-review/

The Maclaren is a slightly cheaper less premium edition of the preaching bible above:

https://biblebuyingguide.com/thomas-nelson-kjv-maclaren-series-bible-review/

Also good is the Thomas Nelson Sovereign Collection, this one is smaller, compact, but has an amazing typographical layout. 

https://biblebuyingguide.com/thomas-nelson-kjv-sovereign-collection-bible-review/

I really am partial to anything published by Thomas Nelson, in my opinion lately their layouts and typography are incredible. I also really like their cross reference system because it has synonyms for archaic words in the margins. 

I do NOT recommend anything from Local Church Bible Publishers or Church Bible Publishers, the only thing they have going for them is that they use nice leather, but their paper quality is seriously subpar, their bibles usually have bad ghosting, and the typography in my opinion is just ugly and the fonts they use are ugly. Some people like that old classic look but I can’t stand it. 

As for Leather, Typically Genuine Leather/Cowhide and Goatskin are them out durable, Lambskin is super soft but it’s really not that durable. 

If your looking for recommendations for a study Bible, Ryrie is the one I would recommend, he is very balanced and his has a really nice layout where cross references are in the outer margins, he was Baptistic and Dispensational. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGdwuDYtWew&t=3s

The other Study Bible I would recommend is the Thomas Nelson King James Study Bible, the genuine leather is high quality, and the notes are from an Independent Baptist perspective (was published by Liberty University in the 70s) The typography and layout is amazing and it has full color pictures, charts, etc. The only negative is it’s pretty large. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT0X2uDD2xs

If your just looking for something to preach from, I recommend the Thomas Nelson Preaching Bible. Or alternatively anything from the Thomas Nelson Premier Collection. Anything in the Thomas Nelson Premier Collection has high quality leather, paper, and typography. Once you start using one of the New Thomas Nelson’s you won’t want to use anything else. 

11 hours ago, SureWord said:

The Common Man's Reference Bible 

60,000 plus references alone makes it worth the purchase.

 

This bible has Ruckmanite notes in it.

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5 hours ago, SureWord said:

And every study bible you recommend corrects the bible.

Liberty U, really?

Common Man's is still the best by far. 

 

SureWord...not that I doubt the veracity of your claim...but do you care to show proof of your allegations?

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13 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

Matt, I have probably spent way too much time researching bibles and I have personally owned many many different bibles over the years. 


For just a preaching bible, I would 100% recommend the Thomas Nelson Preaching Bible, the cover is a durable genuine leather, the paper is premium quality, and the typography and layout are superb. 

Thank you, I just ordered the Thomas Nelson Preaching Bible as I only need a Bible for preaching and the most important thing for me is font readability and durability. I'm not a fan of wide margin Bibles for preaching.

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I bought myself a large print defined Bible years ago...and that is the one my hubs is now using from which to preach. He needed a bit larger print (he also uses reading glasses...needs to go to the eye doctor LOL), so he co-opted it. 🤣 Christmas is coming, though, so I might just look into the TN Preaching Bible.

Just looked it up. 11.5 font is smaller than the one he's using, so I don't think that will work. Ah, well.

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1 hour ago, HappyChristian said:

I bought myself a large print defined Bible years ago...and that is the one my hubs is now using from which to preach. He needed a bit larger print (he also uses reading glasses...needs to go to the eye doctor LOL), so he co-opted it. 🤣 Christmas is coming, though, so I might just look into the TN Preaching Bible.

Just looked it up. 11.5 font is smaller than the one he's using, so I don't think that will work. Ah, well.

Mine will be arriving tomorrow and I'll let you know. I think the 11.5 font will work for me. My Scofield is very small and I struggle reading it during my sermons.

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4 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

SureWord...not that I doubt the veracity of your claim...but do you care to show proof of your allegations?

Ryrie of Liberty's Study Bible?

I cut my teeth on the Ryrie (along with the Thompson) but it still corrects the KJV in many places. I don't have the notes before me but I can assure you it does.

Same with the King James Study Bible. Again, I do not own one but I know that it throws shade on the KJV. My mother lives in Lynchburg and I've been to the church and I've looked through that study bible at one of the their defunct Christian bookstores in Lynchburg and it corrects it in the usual places like all the others. 

What I do know is all your study Bibles throw shade on the KJV except two (possibly four) of them:

1) Common Man's (by far the best)

2) Ruckman's (OK, some decent addendums) 

3) Rock of Ages (formerly The New Pilgrim Study Bible). I don't believe it corrects the KJV but I could be mistaken. I've been told it doesn't.

4) Henry Norris' (formerly New Defenders Study Bible). I owned the New Defender's and it never corrected the KJV though I've heard the Henry Norris' Study Bible does so, again, not 100% sure.

All the rest will correct the KJV every chance they get.

Call me a Ruckmanite all you want but the Common Man's references alone put it ahead of the pack and makes it well worth purchasing.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Ryrie of Liberty's Study Bible?

I cut my teeth on the Ryrie (along with the Thompson) but it still corrects the KJV in many places. I don't have the notes before me but I can assure you it does.

Same with the King James Study Bible. Again, I do not own one but I know that it throws shade on the KJV. My mother lives in Lynchburg and I've been to the church and I've looked through that study bible at one of the their defunct Christian bookstores in Lynchburg and it corrects it in the usual places like all the others. 

What I do know is all your study Bibles throw shade on the KJV except two (possibly four) of them:

1) Common Man's (by far the best)

2) Ruckman's (OK, some decent addendums) 

3) Rock of Ages (formerly The New Pilgrim Study Bible). I don't believe it corrects the KJV but I could be mistaken. I've been told it doesn't.

4) Henry Norris' (formerly New Defenders Study Bible). I owned the New Defender's and it never corrected the KJV though I've heard the Henry Norris' Study Bible does so, again, not 100% sure.

All the rest will correct the KJV every chance they get.

Call me a Ruckmanite all you want but the Common Man's references alone put it ahead of the pack and makes it well worth purchasing.

 

 

I gave my father a Ryrie Study New Testament back in the 1970s and he never mentioned anything about it correcting the KJV. Of course, he also liked the NKJV which a friend of ours from Liberty gave him. I have that Bible somewhere, and my mother recently gave me back the Ryrie I had given him....I'll have to look further into that and see. I only use it now and again when I am looking for some commentary on some of the verses I'm reading. I've NEVER said you were a Ruckmanite...and I would HOPE that you aren't. Ruckman was frowned upon at Maranatha when I was there, and I know a couple of the other Bible colleges I went to weren't really fond of his teachings. I would NEVER call someone that unless I was 100% sure! 🙂

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No, Jordan mention Ruckmanite. I'm really not interested into arguing about him no more than any other preacher, say, like Jack Hyles. I try to find the best in all preachers regardless of their faults and failures. 

Yes, the Ryrie does correct the KJV.

Regardless, it's still a good study bible better than most, IMO. I find good in all study Bibles.

Brother, if you really want to watch reviews on different study Bibles , versions and books there's a channel on YouTube called "New Life of Albany Ga." The owner is a Assembly of God pastor but he's KJVOnly and he was also a former employee for Kregel, one of the best Christian book publishers, IMO. I know he's really off on some of his doctrine but he seems like he really loves God and he has some good reviews of various Bibles and there's a lot of them and I mean a lot. Hundreds of them. I highly recommend watching his reviews. He doesn't get off into doctrine but sticks to what the study bible has to offer.

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, SureWord said:

No, Jordan mention Ruckmanite. I'm really not interested into arguing about him no more than any other preacher, say, like Jack Hyles. I try to find the best in all preachers regardless of their faults and failures. 

Yes, the Ryrie does correct the KJV.

Regardless, it's still a good study bible better than most, IMO. I find good in all study Bibles.

Brother, if you really want to watch reviews on different study Bibles , versions and books there's a channel on YouTube called "New Life of Albany Ga." The owner is a Assembly of God pastor but he's KJVOnly and he was also a former employee for Kregel, one of the best Christian book publishers, IMO. I know he's really off on some of his doctrine but he seems like he really loves God and he has some good reviews of various Bibles and there's a lot of them and I mean a lot. Hundreds of them. I highly recommend watching his reviews. He doesn't get off into doctrine but sticks to what the study bible has to offer.

 

 

 

I believe I've watched this preacher before. He's really good on many things. My wife has many relatives in Albany, Ga. It's been a few years since we've been over there, but some of my family background is AoG. I was raised Methodist util I was 9, but my mother became an Independent Baptist back in 1971 and took all of us to the Faith Baptist Church of Pekin, IL. Dr. Henry Sorenson was the pastor then...and then his son, David Sorenson came on as associate pastor for several years. David wrote several books on the KJV controversy and also wrote one of the only known set of commentaries done by an IFB preacher. I was privileged to have him as my youth pastor for several year, and my friend for many more..even to this day. 🙂 I use several different study Bibles...not all are KJVO. But, so it goes. I'm not KJVO..I'm KJV preferred. 

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19 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

I bought myself a large print defined Bible years ago...and that is the one my hubs is now using from which to preach. He needed a bit larger print (he also uses reading glasses...needs to go to the eye doctor LOL), so he co-opted it. 🤣 Christmas is coming, though, so I might just look into the TN Preaching Bible.

Just looked it up. 11.5 font is smaller than the one he's using, so I don't think that will work. Ah, well.

The high contrast paper though and premium TN font thought might make it easier to read even though its smaller. The paper having high opacity does wonders for readability.

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10 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

The high contrast paper though and premium TN font thought might make it easier to read even though its smaller. The paper having high opacity does wonders for readability.

I don't know...his eyes are pretty sketchy. The Bible he's using is a 14 font, and even with his "readers," he has issues. But that's something to think about. Thanks!

@PastorMatt, how's the font working for you?

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I'm glad to hear it's working out fairly well. I'm looking for one for my wife and one for myself as well. We both need larger print. We are considering the Thompson Chain Reference again. I've used one for 40 years, and it's what I liked best. 

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