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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Should We Obey The Government If They Make The Vaccines Mandatory?


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I've heard a LOT of different takes on this, not just from saved, but the unsaved as well. The Bible tells us in Titus 3:1

 

1Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, 

then in

Romans 13:1- Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Some are saying that we, as Christians should put aside our fear or dislike of the vaccines and get vaccinated for the sake of the other members of society, that our stance against the vaccines is a hindrance to our witness to the people of this world. I can see their point, but I also see the point of sticking with our principles as long as they aren't violating major Scriptural doctrines. 

Ephesians 6:12 has been my answer of late:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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The most successful healer in the United States history said plainly no.  He would go to jail before allowing himself or his family to get the vaccines.  He knew clearly what is in the vaccines - they are toxic,  no question about it.

That's what I learned also in medical and pharmacy school - no doctor would allow his own family to get the vaccines.  They would even write their own medical excemptions if needed to avoid the toxic shots.

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15 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

The most successful healer in the United States history said plainly no.  He would go to jail before allowing himself or his family to get the vaccines.  He knew clearly what is in the vaccines - they are toxic,  no question about it.

That's what I learned also in medical and pharmacy school - no doctor would allow his own family to get the vaccines.  They would even write their own medical excemptions if needed to avoid the toxic shots.

I've had several pharmacists tell me that they wouldn't accept the vaccine, even if it meant their losing their jobs. If the governor of the State of Tennessee decides to go back to mask mandating, or to actually mandating the vaccines, then many people will be losing their jobs.

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The question here it would be what are the government’s realms of authority. Is health something the government is to be deciding for each individual person, or is the care and maintenance of our bodies our responsibility. If the latter, then the government is making directives in the area over which it has no legitimate authority. As such, we are not mandated to obey. 
 

We know perfectly well that just because the Bible speaks of generally obeying the government, doesn’t mean that we always specifically have to obey them.  The early believers defied the governments orders to worship the emperor as God, or deny Christ. The government has no authority over the church, as Christ is the head of the church. 
 

My stance is that if the government is behaving illegitimately - without authority - then we have no need to obey its illegitimate orders. This perspective is fueled by the fact that this particular kind of government is supposed to be representing the wishes of its people, not ruling authoritatively (as a dictatorship, for example). 

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Obedience to human rulers ends when those rulers promote the works of evil and punish the works of good.

Rom.13 [1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Remember first century believers obeyed their principalities only when those principalities were a terror to the evil and not in support of evil. Soon your principalities will also ban Christ from private life just as they did with public life decades ago.

Acts 5: [26] Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.
[27] And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
[28] Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
[29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
[30] The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
[31] Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
[32] And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

 

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3 minutes ago, wretched said:

Obedience to human rulers ends when those rulers promote the works of evil and punish the works of good.

Human rulers all of our lives and our parents lives and our greandparents lives have promoted the works of evil and punished the works of good (honest truthful people).

 

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Of course the government should either require people take the vaccine or get checked weekly.

After all, people with communicable diseases in the Bible were forced to isolate themselves. Remember the lepers and how they had to keep away from others or announce their walking near people by calling out, "Unclean, unclean!"

So, if it was approved in the Bible, why do you fight it? 

  1. Leviticus 13:21, “But if the priest looks at it, and behold, there are no white hairs in it and it is not lower than the skin and is faded, then the priest shall isolate him for seven days;”
  2. Leviticus 13:46, “He shall remain unclean all the days during which he has the infection; he is unclean. He shall live alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp.”
  3. Numbers 5:2, “Command the sons of Israel that they send away from the camp every leper and everyone having a discharge and everyone who is unclean because of a dead person.”

They didn't have COVID, but they tried to protect people who were sick and to protect the healthy from those who might make them sick.

Typhoid Mary, Mary Mallon,  was forced to isolate herself. She was quarantined for three years to keep her from infecting others.  

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The godless, demonic controlled medical system and government today is nothing like Israel was when they were serving the One True God.

The government and the medical system is "UNCLEAN!"  "UNCLEAN" and very idolatrous, as are those who serve it instead of serving Jesus.

19 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Numbers 5:2, “Command the sons of Israel that they send away from the camp every leper and everyone having a discharge and everyone who is unclean because of a dead person.”

Send away from God's People all those who serve a godless ungodly government or godless ungodly medical system,  the system of the world/ antichrist system.

Remember those all are unclean who bring a false gospel ,  those who bow down to idols of godless medicine or godless government,  are not even to be greeted when passing them at all,  and never eat with them.    Those who greet them are subject to being punished for the same sin as they are, idolatry and a false gospel.

Stay away from all those who bring a false gospel in religion, government or medicine,  or be subject not to man's judgment , but to God's Wrath.

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I have never posted about anything political on here but this is such a huge topic and I've seen personally how the Body is dividing over it. 

I personally have not chosen to get vaccinated yet because something about it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

If the government demanded it I would probably do as they asked but I would also support those who would refuse. I just don't feel like it's the governments place to force things like this even if it involves our lives. I don't see it as much difference as telling the Snake Handlers Christians that why can't do something dangerous as an act of faith. I also don't believe the government should make Jehovah's witnesses get blood transfusions even if their lives depended on it (except for maybe when it comes to a minor) and also for Christians who refuse to join the military and participate in war.

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45 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Of course the government should either require people take the vaccine or get checked weekly.

After all, people with communicable diseases in the Bible were forced to isolate themselves. Remember the lepers and how they had to keep away from others or announce their walking near people by calling out, "Unclean, unclean!"

So, if it was approved in the Bible, why do you fight it? 

  1. Leviticus 13:21, “But if the priest looks at it, and behold, there are no white hairs in it and it is not lower than the skin and is faded, then the priest shall isolate him for seven days;”
  2. Leviticus 13:46, “He shall remain unclean all the days during which he has the infection; he is unclean. He shall live alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp.”
  3. Numbers 5:2, “Command the sons of Israel that they send away from the camp every leper and everyone having a discharge and everyone who is unclean because of a dead person.”

They didn't have COVID, but they tried to protect people who were sick and to protect the healthy from those who might make them sick.

Typhoid Mary, Mary Mallon,  was forced to isolate herself. She was quarantined for three years to keep her from infecting others.  

You're comparing apples and oranges again, BB. Typhoid was a much more dangerous disease than the coronavirus. And leprosy was a disease that has an INNOCULATION, not just a temporary fix like this vaccine. It may not have had it back then, but it could very easily be spread to other people. Still, there were many who worked among the lepers that never contracted the disease. The recovery rate for the coronavirus makes the vaccines virtually unnecessary. They don't seem to provide any TRUE protection, as people can catch the virus over and over again, even after being vaccinated and while still wearing masks. To force people to take a vaccine with this high of a recovery rate is an abuse of power, and an overreach of the government we elected, and who is allegedly working for us. It's become all too clear that they are taking it upon themselves to be our dictators. Welcome to another Nazi takeover!

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11 minutes ago, Disciple.Luke said:

I have never posted about anything political on here but this is such a huge topic and I've seen personally how the Body is dividing over it. 

I personally have not chosen to get vaccinated yet because something about it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

If the government demanded it I would probably do as they asked but I would also support those who would refuse. I just don't feel like it's the governments place to force things like this even if it involves our lives. I don't see it as much difference as telling the Snake Handlers Christians that why can't do something dangerous as an act of faith. I also don't believe the government should make Jehovah's witnesses get blood transfusions even if their lives depended on it (except for maybe when it comes to a minor) and also for Christians who refuse to join the military and participate in war.

And as I tell everyone else,brother, if you feel you need the vaccination, go ahead and get it. I don't want anyone who feels they need it to NOT get it. I've not got any problem with people in my family who have gotten the vaccines, but they have problems with our decision to decline. It's shameful how many people have swallowed the government Kool-Aid and are still living in fear. They haven't done heir due-diligence and looked at the true numbers of recovery, deaths, and alleged deaths with covid as a possibiity...and that's just what most of the reported deaths w/covid  are...possibilities. There's been an abuse by the medical establishment in reporting deaths with covid as a secondary or tertiary issue. We have had experience with that in our family...a death having covid listed as a contributing factor when it couldn't have been, as the person had just had covid and had just been released as clear of the virus.

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You're comparing apples and oranges again, BB. Typhoid was a much more dangerous disease than the coronavirus. And leprosy was a disease that has an INNOCULATION, not just a temporary fix like this vaccine. It may not have had it back then, but it could very easily be spread to other people. Still, there were many who worked among the lepers that never contracted the disease. The recovery rate for the coronavirus makes the vaccines virtually unnecessary. They don't seem to provide any TRUE protection, as people can catch the virus over and over again, even after being vaccinated and while still wearing masks. To force people to take a vaccine with this high of a recovery rate is an abuse of power, and an overreach of the government we elected, and who is allegedly working for us. It's become all too clear that they are taking it upon themselves to be our dictators. Welcome to another Nazi takeover!

Does not matter. The principle is the same. To protect the populace as a whole others should either be isolated or forced to be given the vaccine or be tested weekly. It is not an abuse of power to protect the majority.

Where is your concern for others. Show me where in the Bible it says to put self above all others?

It is not a Nazi takeover. Do you not believe the Bible gives us indications on how we are to live and help or protect others?

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That's just like ol' slewfoot -  give everyone the mark of the beast to protect everyone.... yep.  

 

Blindness of the world under slewfoot - a kind of dementia most places. 

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1 minute ago, BrotherTony said:

And as I tell everyone else,brother, if you feel you need the vaccination, go ahead and get it. I don't want anyone who feels they need it to NOT get it. I've not got any problem with people in my family who have gotten the vaccines, but they have problems with our decision to decline. It's shameful how many people have swallowed the government Kool-Aid and are still living in fear. They haven't done heir due-diligence and looked at the true numbers of recovery, deaths, and alleged deaths with covid as a possibiity...and that's just what most of the reported deaths w/covid  are...possibilities. There's been an abuse by the medical establishment in reporting deaths with covid as a secondary or tertiary issue. We have had experience with that in our family...a death having covid listed as a contributing factor when it couldn't have been, as the person had just had covid and had just been released as clear of the virus.

Agreed.

There is an older couple at church who have been going around telling other members or emailing saying NOT to get the vaccine. That is going a little too far in my opinion. If someone asks their advice about why they have chosen to not get it then by all means explain.

I haven't been vaccinated but I almost never bring up my decision unless it's in context of discussion because it's such a personal decision.

I am friends with a Muslim girl in Sudan and even there many people are refusing to take the vaccine because they're just as suspicious of the vaccine as we are. 

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2 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Does not matter. The principle is the same. To protect the populace as a whole others should either be isolated or forced to be given the vaccine or be tested weekly. It is not an abuse of power to protect the majority.

Where is your concern for others. Show me where in the Bible it says to put self above all others?

It is not a Nazi takeover. Do you not believe the Bible gives us indications on how we are to live and help or protect others?

I believe in protecting others, BB, but not at the expense of my own health, nor that of my wife. And, yes, it certainly DOES matter. The principle is NOWHERE near the same because of the high number of recoveries vs. deaths. Don't try to push your ideology on me, because it won't bode well for you, sir.  It certainly WOULD BE a Nazi takeover, as Hitler used the same false ideology you are espousing her on these forums. I can't believe that you are so old and blind that you'd be the deceived.

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2 minutes ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

That's just like ol' slewfoot -  give everyone the mark of the beast to protect everyone.... yep.  

 

Blindness of the world under slewfoot - a kind of dementia most places. 

Jeff, either get with the thread's intent, or please, start your own. Thank you.

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Just now, BrotherTony said:

Jeff, either get with the thread's intent, or please, start your own. Thank you.

Sometimes you seem to get it,  sometimes you don't seem to understand.    Speak Clearly.

The government (and pharmakeia deceiving the whole world as written) is under the control of ol' slewfoot, as written in Ephesians, Galatians, and Revelation. 

Going along with it mindlessly,  promoting the evil it does,  is not right in any form according to God and all Scripture.

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4 minutes ago, Disciple.Luke said:

Agreed.

There is an older couple at church who have been going around telling other members or emailing saying NOT to get the vaccine. That is going a little too far in my opinion. If someone asks their advice about why they have chosen to not get it then by all means explain.

I haven't been vaccinated but I almost never bring up my decision unless it's in context of discussion because it's such a personal decision.

I am friends with a Muslim girl in Sudan and even there many people are refusing to take the vaccine because they're just as suspicious of the vaccine as we are. 

We had a man in our church, the "worship leader," who told our pastor that he wanted everyone in the church to wear masks or be vaccinated or he was resigning. He basically gave our pastor an ultimatum. It was handled well by the pastor. He told him that he couldn't force anyone to do those things, and he regretted losing him. It's such a divisive issue, with many living so much in fear that it's pathetic. I know several Hindu and Muslim people who are declining the vaccine as well for the reasons you stated.

1 minute ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

Sometimes you seem to get it,  sometimes you don't seem to understand.    Speak Clearly.

The government (and pharmakeia deceiving the whole world as written) is under the control of ol' slewfoot, as written in Ephesians, Galatians, and Revelation. 

Going along with it mindlessly,  promoting the evil it does,  is not right in any form according to God and all Scripture.

I get it all too well. I know that your babbling isn't productive and has little or nothing to do with the thread most of the time...is that plain enough for you, Jeff? Not trying to be cruel, but DEFINITELY try to get across to you that incessant babbling isn't useful. We all know your views on the pharmecuetical companies. We know that they are deceivers, as are many of the doctors, and government leaders. These points have already been made time and time again. Not just by me, but by others in the thread...and NOT in vague cryptic sentences like you are using. For some of us, your way of posting ends up being nothing more than redundant babbling.

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