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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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I have a slew of books, two of which are going to be required reading for me. One of those two is "Renovation of the Heart: Putting on the Character of Christ" by Dallas Willard, and the second is "Unfinished Business:  Returning the Ministry to the People of God" by Greg Ogden. I'm looking forward to reading them when they get here.  I also will be reading the "Kingdom Men" series from Dr. Tony Evans. He has been one of my favorite speakers over the years. His preaching kept me interested in things of the Lord when I left the ministry many years ago, and was partially responsible for my returning to church in 1999. 

So, what books are you reading, or would you recommend as something to read? 

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You did not restrict the replies to Christian books, so I will answer.

Currently I am reading:

  1. The Lab Girl by Hope Jahren. From the back cover: Geobiologist Hope Jahren has spent her life studying trees, flowers, seeds, and soil. Lab Girl is her revelatory treatise on plant life—but it is also a celebration of the lifelong curiosity, humility, and passion that drive every scientist. In these pages, Hope takes us back to her Minnesota childhood, where she spent hours in unfettered play in her father’s college laboratory. She tells us how she found a sanctuary in science, learning to perform lab work “with both the heart and the hands.” She introduces us to Bill, her brilliant, eccentric lab manager. And she extends the mantle of scientist to each one of her readers, inviting us to join her in observing and protecting our environment. Warm, luminous, compulsively readable, Lab Girl vividly demonstrates the mountains that we can move when love and work come together. 
  2. The Secret Battle. A.P. Herbert. First published in 1919 the book, a novel, draws on his experiences as an infantry officer in World War I in Gallipoli. The book has been praised for its accuracy in describing the mental effects of the war on those who fought. 
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1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

You did not restrict the replies to Christian books, so I will answer.

Currently I am reading:

  1. The Lab Girl by Hope Jahren. From the back cover: Geobiologist Hope Jahren has spent her life studying trees, flowers, seeds, and soil. Lab Girl is her revelatory treatise on plant life—but it is also a celebration of the lifelong curiosity, humility, and passion that drive every scientist. In these pages, Hope takes us back to her Minnesota childhood, where she spent hours in unfettered play in her father’s college laboratory. She tells us how she found a sanctuary in science, learning to perform lab work “with both the heart and the hands.” She introduces us to Bill, her brilliant, eccentric lab manager. And she extends the mantle of scientist to each one of her readers, inviting us to join her in observing and protecting our environment. Warm, luminous, compulsively readable, Lab Girl vividly demonstrates the mountains that we can move when love and work come together. 
  2. The Secret Battle. A.P. Herbert. First published in 1919 the book, a novel, draws on his experiences as an infantry officer in World War I in Gallipoli. The book has been praised for its accuracy in describing the mental effects of the war on those who fought. 

Sounds interesting.

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17 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Sounds interesting.

I am finding both interesting. Hope Jahren pulls no punches. She gives vivid descriptions. She talks about how impossible the odds are of any plant making it to maturity. Early on she worked in a hospital. Her description of patients and nurses leave nothing to the imagination. I expect there are some who would find her descriptions disturbing. Her descriptions of plants are very detailed. 

The book about World War I is also very clear in the descriptions of the life of the soldier. It was a miserable life with the psychological results being very bad. I do not see how anyone can go through a war and still be even semi-sane.  

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11 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

I have a slew of books, two of which are going to be required reading for me. One of those two is "Renovation of the Heart: Putting on the Character of Christ" by Dallas Willard, and the second is "Unfinished Business:  Returning the Ministry to the People of God" by Greg Ogden. I'm looking forward to reading them when they get here.  I also will be reading the "Kingdom Men" series from Dr. Tony Evans. He has been one of my favorite speakers over the years. His preaching kept me interested in things of the Lord when I left the ministry many years ago, and was partially responsible for my returning to church in 1999. 

So, what books are you reading, or would you recommend as something to read? 

I've been pecking away at:

The Flood In the Light of the Bible, Geology & Archaeology 

by Alfred M. Rehwinkel

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8 hours ago, deaconpete said:

I am also reading "Unfinished Business:  Returning the Ministry to the People of God" by Greg Ogden. Highly recommended!

I'm still waiting for my copy to show up from the bookstore. They've ordered both of these books for me, and I had to order one of them from Amazon because the bookstore said they couldn't get it but would try again. I didn't count on them getting it. So, I've paid for one of those books 2x. That's okay, though. I can sell it to one of the other class members. Thanks for your input on this book. I greatly look forward to reading more than the excerpts I've already read. 

On 7/23/2021 at 10:14 PM, SureWord said:

I've been pecking away at:

The Flood In the Light of the Bible, Geology & Archaeology 

by Alfred M. Rehwinkel

Now, THAT sounds like an interesting book! I might try to find a copy. I love geology and archeology! 

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1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

I'm still waiting for my copy to show up from the bookstore. They've ordered both of these books for me, and I had to order one of them from Amazon because the bookstore said they couldn't get it but would try again. I didn't count on them getting it. So, I've paid for one of those books 2x. That's okay, though. I can sell it to one of the other class members. Thanks for your input on this book. I greatly look forward to reading more than the excerpts I've already read. 

Now, THAT sounds like an interesting book! I might try to find a copy. I love geology and archeology! 

I read reviews on this book on "Good Reads." It sounds like a good book, similar to the writings of Caryle Marney, Elton Trueblood and others back in the 1960's and what became the "Lay Renewal" movement. My wife and I were quite involved and worked with Reid Hardin, Dave Haney, and others. I would suggest those interested in 'lay renewal' to look into Truebloods "Yokefellows." If you can lay your hands on Trueblood's "The Incendiary Fellowship" or "The Company of the Committed" you should read them. The same is true with Carlyle Marney's "Priests To Each Other," and "The Coming Faith." Lyman Coleman's booklets to use in small groups are very good.

The laity are the hope for Christianity in America.   

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6 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I read reviews on this book on "Good Reads." It sounds like a good book, similar to the writings of Caryle Marney, Elton Trueblood and others back in the 1960's and what became the "Lay Renewal" movement. My wife and I were quite involved and worked with Reid Hardin, Dave Haney, and others. I would suggest those interested in 'lay renewal' to look into Truebloods "Yokefellows." If you can lay your hands on Trueblood's "The Incendiary Fellowship" or "The Company of the Committed" you should read them. The same is true with Carlyle Marney's "Priests To Each Other," and "The Coming Faith." Lyman Coleman's booklets to use in small groups are very good.

The laity are the hope for Christianity in America.   

Thank you for your suggestions. I will definitely try to find these books and read them. I always like to expand my library when I can. I appreciate that input. 🙂

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18 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Thank you for your suggestions. I will definitely try to find these books and read them. I always like to expand my library when I can. I appreciate that input. 🙂

You probably will have to search for them on Amazon. I am sure they are all out of print. You should be able to find used ones at a moderate price. 

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52 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Thank you for your suggestions. I will definitely try to find these books and read them. I always like to expand my library when I can. I appreciate that input. 🙂

This made me start thinking of other books that influenced me. For instance,

Keith Miller's "Taste of New Wine."

"The 7 Last Words of the Church. 'We've Never Done It That Way Before.' Can't remember the author.

"Include Me Out" ... can't remember the authro.

"Cost of Discipleship" by Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

"Letters and Papers From Prison," by Bonhoeffer. 

"Renew My Church," by David Haney.

"A Shepherd Looks at the 23rd Psalm", can't remember the author.

"The Christian's Secret to a Happy Life," by Hannah Whitall Smith. 

"The Practice of the Presence of God," by Brother Lawrence. You can download this book free from https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5657  Brother Lawrence lived in the 17th century

 

I know there are others and if I think of them I'll pass them on to you. Wow, it has been up to 50 years since I read some of those books/.

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Dallas Willard is a heretic and Tony Evans is an Emerging Church leader. Both should be avoided or read with extreme discernment, comparing all that is said with the Word of God.

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Proverbs 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

Bonhoeffner believed in and taught a works-based salvation (especially in The Cost Of Discipleship - ie. continuing to the end to BE saved).

A Shepherd Looks at the 23rd Psalm was written by Phillip Keller who denied the supernatural aspects of the Bible - therefore was unsaved! He denied the miracles, the virgin birth, etc.

Ugh, maybe I shouldn’t visit this thread. I can’t stand by while people are led astray, even unknowingly.

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GENIUSES AT WAR: Bletchley Park Colossus and the Dawn of the Digital Age

By David A. Price

The dramatic, untold story of the brilliant team whose feats of innovation and engineering created the world’s first digital electronic computer—decrypting the Nazis’ toughest code, helping bring an end to WWII, and ushering in the information age.

I have never read a book that describes in such detail the technical and mathematical work of code breaking done at Bletchley Park in England during World War II.

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On 8/18/2021 at 6:11 PM, Jerry said:

Dallas Willard is a heretic and Tony Evans is an Emerging Church leader. Both should be avoided or read with extreme discernment, comparing all that is said with the Word of God.

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Proverbs 19:27 Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.

Bonhoeffner believed in and taught a works-based salvation (especially in The Cost Of Discipleship - ie. continuing to the end to BE saved).

A Shepherd Looks at the 23rd Psalm was written by Phillip Keller who denied the supernatural aspects of the Bible - therefore was unsaved! He denied the miracles, the virgin birth, etc.

Ugh, maybe I shouldn’t visit this thread. I can’t stand by while people are led astray, even unknowingly.

I think the word "heretic" is often thrown around far too quickly and easily. It's an overused word. This is the first book of Dallas Willard's that I'm reading, and only because it's part of an instructional session. He's got a lot of good material in the book, and I know how to discern between good and bad doctrine, as I'm sure others do as well. If you feel like this thread is misleading, you might be the only one. I simply asked a question and mentioned the books I was reading. I find this typical HYPER-fundamentalist in attitude...I'm sure you've probably read books that didn't fit every detail of Baptist doctrine. Take the meat and leave the bone.

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2 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I think the word "heretic" is often thrown around far too quickly and easily. It's an overused word. This is the first book of Dallas Willard's that I'm reading, and only because it's part of an instructional session. He's got a lot of good material in the book, and I know how to discern between good and bad doctrine, as I'm sure others do as well. If you feel like this thread is misleading, you might be the only one. I simply asked a question and mentioned the books I was reading. I find this typical HYPER-fundamentalist in attitude...I'm sure you've probably read books that didn't fit every detail of Baptist doctrine. Take the meat and leave the bone.

I don't know. Bonhoeffner gave his life for defending Jews. I don't see a heretic doing that. Maybe he would, but it seems like a fraud would pack up and leave when things got hot.

I've never read his writings but apparently they've been twisted to say things he really never intended.

I agree, while you should read with discernment, that Baptists get hyper in these things and continually "toss out the baby with the bath water". A guy who died standing up to Hitler must have something inspirational to say.

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Read The Cost Of Discipleship. He plainly states throughout the book in various places that you are saved IF you persevere until the end (may not have exact wording) - ie. that if you earn it or maintain works/persevere until you die then you are saved. That is not the Gospel of salvation we find in the Bible.

Also, if someone does not believe in salvation by grace through faith ALONE in Christ’s finish work on the cross of Calvary, then he is not saved and any “spiritual” advice he may give you is dangerous and untrustworthy.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This has nothing to do with someone being a Baptist or not. Though if you are not a Baptist, why are you debating on a Baptist message board?…

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Again, Tony, being Baptist or not Baptist is not the issue. If someone - especially an emerging church leader - denies the fundamentals of the faith, then they are not saved and you are deceiving yourself if you think you will glean spiritual TRUTH from him (and you may be telling on yourself by your continued choice of poisoned spiritual food). Don’t be fooled, your spiritual diet will affect you, and I do believe it is becoming more and more evident as you buck and kick when someone points to the Bible and compares certain authors and their teaching with it, and you get annoyed with the person presenting the truth while clinging to the heresy.

 

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1 hour ago, Jerry said:

Read The Cost Of Discipleship. He plainly states throughout the book in various places that you are saved IF you persevere until the end (may not have exact wording) - ie. that if you earn it or maintain works/persevere until you die then you are saved. That is not the Gospel of salvation we find in the Bible.

Also, if someone does not believe in salvation by grace through faith ALONE in Christ’s finish work on the cross of Calvary, then he is not saved and any “spiritual” advice he may give you is dangerous and untrustworthy.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This has nothing to do with someone being a Baptist or not. Though if you are not a Baptist, why are you debating on a Baptist message board?…

I am a Baptist but....

who said you had to be a Baptist to debate on this board?

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      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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