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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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4 hours ago, SureWord said:

Welp, I said this a while back. They'll start to vaccinate animals. This is happening in zoos all around the country. Next, it will be your pets.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/zoo-animal-covid-vaccine-trnd/index.html

I posted it from the CNN website so Bill will believe it.

 

 

They have been starting to vaccinate pets here in Tennessee. I think it's one of the most stupid things I've heard of. There is no proof the virus is passed from animals to humans or vice versa. It's just another way for Big Pharma to make more money on the vaccines. More "transfer of wealth!'

16 hours ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

It was in the news,  broadcast abc , cbs, nbc,  npr, and so on months ago when australia had no cases for two weeks, when texas the same, and so on.

You already posted the false positives I think, frequently, as did others.  The false positives happened all along, since the beginning of the so called pandemic, and have been published frequently from several or many countries.

How can anyone post proof , btw ?    BB posted proof of covid deaths and increases ,  authorized by government and medical authorities, of lies, but called it truth.  Socially,  officially,  scientifically,  all proven lies,  nothing really about pandemic proven true except people made billions of dollars and there's now over 5 trillion dollar budget for the rich.

 

In the Bible, it is written, and has been true for centuries, or always true:  the lies will be published and taught as truth, and the truth will be called a lie.   This happens every day,  all over,  every channel,  every government agency almost without exception.

Jeff, you can't just make blanket statements like you did and not post an article from a conservative and liberal news source to back it up. It doesn't make any sense to ramble on about things you cannot back up with hard evidence. You seem to be doing that quite a bit lately. Your oft rambling statements are hard to follow with their redundency in structure. You do okay at times, but at other times, I just can't follow and wouldn't even want to try to figure out what you're saying. I like "PLAIN SPEECH!"

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11 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

This is not the same, BB, and you know it well. You, once again, are trying to compare apples with oranges. Get real.

He made a blanket statement. Vaccinating against COVID is new. Vaccinating animals is not new. 

The meat, beef, pork, chicken, you eat is full of chemicals of one type or another. That should be of more concern to all. 

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Just now, Bouncing Bill said:

He made a blanket statement. Vaccinating against COVID is new. Vaccinating animals is not new. 

The meat, beef, pork, chicken, you eat is full of chemicals of one type or another. That should be of more concern to all. 

Having worked on catlle and veal farms, I'm well aware of the vaccinations in cattle. I also worked on a chicken farm, and my great aunt had many chicken houses in Southern Indiana when I was growing up. I also worked on chicken farms and in a chicken plant in Lewiston, GA named Criders. Vaccinations are nothing new, but they are ESTABLISHED, WELL KNOWN vaccines, not a vaccine that is for humans that has only been approved for emergency use in humans. Stop being dishonest in your posts. It's not becoming of you.

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11 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Having worked on catlle and veal farms, I'm well aware of the vaccinations in cattle. I also worked on a chicken farm, and my great aunt had many chicken houses in Southern Indiana when I was growing up. I also worked on chicken farms and in a chicken plant in Lewiston, GA named Criders. Vaccinations are nothing new, but they are ESTABLISHED, WELL KNOWN vaccines, not a vaccine that is for humans that has only been approved for emergency use in humans. Stop being dishonest in your posts. It's not becoming of you.

They may be safe for chickens, cows, pigs. But are those same chemicals safe for you when you eat them? That is not settles issue. 

My brother worked in a meat packing plant some years ago. To this day he will not eat a hot dog. He simply says, "You don't know what the put in those things."

https://animals.mom.com/what-kinds-of-harmful-chemicals-do-they-feed-chickens-12541102.html

Perhaps a new thread should be started about how safe is the food we are fed. With all the chemicals and processing that food now undergoes before you buy and eat it.

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7 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

They may be safe for chickens, cows, pigs. But are those same chemicals safe for you when you eat them? That is not settles issue. 

My brother worked in a meat packing plant some years ago. To this day he will not eat a hot dog. He simply says, "You don't know what the put in those things."

https://animals.mom.com/what-kinds-of-harmful-chemicals-do-they-feed-chickens-12541102.html

Perhaps a new thread should be started about how safe is the food we are fed. With all the chemicals and processing that food now undergoes before you buy and eat it.

I think starting a new thread on the subject matter might be advantageous instead of derailing this thread.

For me, my wife and I know well what goes into hot dogs, bologna and other processed meats. If people would go through a processing plant of any kind, they wouldn't eat anything. Thankfully, I have a strong stomach. 🙂 As far as the chemicals pumped into our foods, I try not to worry about those too awfully much. I eat other forms of meat, deer, elk, moose, bison, and natural chicken. I know many farmers who don't use antibiotic or chemicals in their cattle or other livestock. We've been blessed to know these kinds of people.

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22 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I think starting a new thread on the subject matter might be advantageous instead of derailing this thread.

For me, my wife and I know well what goes into hot dogs, bologna and other processed meats. If people would go through a processing plant of any kind, they wouldn't eat anything. Thankfully, I have a strong stomach. 🙂 As far as the chemicals pumped into our foods, I try not to worry about those too awfully much. I eat other forms of meat, deer, elk, moose, bison, and natural chicken. I know many farmers who don't use antibiotic or chemicals in their cattle or other livestock. We've been blessed to know these kinds of people.

Decades ago I made the mistake of reading the ingredients on the side of a potted mean can. I have not dared to eat it again. 

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More double talk from the "professionals!" UGH! Wear a mask...don't wear a mask, don't wear a mask....the vaccinations work...but you still should wear a mask! Holy Cow! Will they ever get their lies straight????

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/the-cdc-says-masks-for-the-vaccinated-are-optional-as-covid-cases-climb-some-feel-differently/ar-AAMxo9j?ocid=chromentpnews

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14 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

More double talk from the "professionals!" UGH! Wear a mask...don't wear a mask, don't wear a mask....the vaccinations work...but you still should wear a mask! Holy Cow! Will they ever get their lies straight????

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/the-cdc-says-masks-for-the-vaccinated-are-optional-as-covid-cases-climb-some-feel-differently/ar-AAMxo9j?ocid=chromentpnews

Some places like in Australia it's wear 3-4 masks.

All part of the Great Reset. While we get locked down waiting for our government check the billionaires and their selected cronies are blasting off into space like it's one big amusement ride.

6 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

May be an image of text that says 'So.....you've been eating hotdogs and McChickens all your life, but don't want the accne, because, 'you don't know what's in it"?'

I know what's in them. Nothing that will destroy my immune system.

Still no response from Bill or John why the emergency room doctor told my mother there's no test to detect the Delta variant.

 

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4 minutes ago, SureWord said:

Some places like in Australia it's wear 3-4 masks.

All part of the Great Reset. While we get locked down waiting for our government check the billionaires and their selected cronies are blasting off into space like it's one big amusement ride.

I know what's in them. Nothing that will destroy my immune system.

I know that many businesses are now consider mandatory vaccinations for all their workers, or those employees who don't get it won't be working. Plus, many businesses are now starting to suggest that people need vaccination passports or people cannot dine inside. This may not be the "mark of the beast" but it's definitely a dry run at it.

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Another PCR test to be recalled. This isn't the first one. I've heard this a while back from some virologists who were saying the threshold of what is considered to be a Covid infection has been abused gone way above and beyond the "CT threshold" which was diagnosing many people with the virus who didn't have it, had another virus or already had it but the dead remains of what was left. I know this happened to my own doctor who tested positive then got retested and was negative.

All these doctors who brought forward this issue were censored by the gatekeepers in the media.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

But they knew this back in December.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/12/18/who-finally-admits-pcr-tests-create-false-positives/

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15 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I know that many businesses are now consider mandatory vaccinations for all their workers, or those employees who don't get it won't be working. Plus, many businesses are now starting to suggest that people need vaccination passports or people cannot dine inside. This may not be the "mark of the beast" but it's definitely a dry run at it.

No doubt conditioning for the mark. To weed out the troublemakers now. Also, to bring in a Social Credit Score which China demands. 

I'm a huge Buffalo Bills fan and I've been watching closely to what will happen since some of the members of the team have been the most vocal against the vaccine. I know a fascist Eerie county bureaucrat tried mandating a vaccine passport for the stadium but lost that battle surprisedly because the Mob Boss governor Cuomo put the quash on it. No doubt the Don has connections the little county dictator doesn't want to cross.

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16 minutes ago, SureWord said:

No doubt conditioning for the mark. To weed out the troublemakers now. Also, to bring in a Social Credit Score which China demands. 

I'm a huge Buffalo Bills fan and I've been watching closely to what will happen since some of the members of the team have been the most vocal against the vaccine. I know a fascist Eerie county bureaucrat tried mandating a vaccine passport for the stadium but lost that battle surprisedly because the Mob Boss governor Cuomo put the quash on it. No doubt the Don has connections the little county dictator doesn't want to cross.

You're probably right! I know here, our Governor was against the CV passports, but it's beginning to look this his rhino hiney is changing his mind. I've never trusted the man, especially since he's supported all of the Democrats in our government here until he decided to run for Governor. As a protest vote, I voted for the Democrat who was running against him. He lost miserably! UGH! ( I know I use that word a lot, but compared to what I MIGHT use, it's a lot better! LOL)

If it comes to having to have the CV vax, my wife has stated she'd rather be unemployed. Good woman! I've taught her well! 🙂

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3 hours ago, SureWord said:

Some places like in Australia it's wear 3-4 masks.

All part of the Great Reset. While we get locked down waiting for our government check the billionaires and their selected cronies are blasting off into space like it's one big amusement ride.

I know what's in them. Nothing that will destroy my immune system.

Still no response from Bill or John why the emergency room doctor told my mother there's no test to detect the Delta variant.

 

The doctor told her because regular COVID tests do not check for a variant. They will tell you if you have COVID, but not which variant. The variant identification requires genomic sequencing, a process separate from regular virus tests and one that not all labs are able to do or do not do on a routine basis for patient care but are done more for public health monitoring.

https://www.lung.org/blog/covid-19-delta-variant

 

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Once again, turn off the Godless reprobate fake news and get your facts from those whom have no reprobate agendas to push. You have allowed your minds to be taken captive by satan when you let the boob tube and all their associated Godless "news" websites brainwash you. You are not smart, nor are you informed if you get your "facts" from any of them.

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Read all of the above article and perhaps you will understand what comes next:

Well, just to be sure anyone whom has received this shot recently should make a visit to their local vet or animal hospital and have the injection site scanned with the Vet's microchip reader. Come back and let us know if the video below is true and what their man-made or "number of a man" is. I am not convinced on this but it is certainly worth looking into and many are definitely looking into it. These vet techs in the video below got the shots and have no understanding of what is at stake in all this. They simply posted the video on tiktok out of shock and disbelief. The suspicious part is that it has been removed several times and reposted by others, why removed is the question you should be asking? The magnetism at the injection sites spreads throughout the body within 2-3 weeks so I suspect the ability to scan your man-made number will spread away from the injection site with the metallic graphene oxide, nano particles that caused the magnetism. 

Well, that is until you get the corresponding digital mark in your hand or forehead as your vax ID passport which is coming next. Satan's governments will use the counterfeiting of the paper ID's as their excuse to push the digital mark next.

Microchipped?

I find the stumbled onto, agenda-less information in videos like this far more credible than any narratives repetitiously pushed by the likes of cnn, msnbc, cbs, abc, NYT, wapo, fox, etc all of whom are owned by the richest men in the world whom gained most of their wealth by free trade with China over the last few decades. All of which have created mega-conglomerate corporations which own pretty much everything in the western cultures now including their installed politicians. All of which have voiced their support of depopulation at their various global summits in the last several years. But you accept or reject whatever you like. It is your life.

Connect the dots to the "ten kings which have received no kingdoms as of yet" (richest men) and the dragon (China). Think for a moment, if there was any nation on earth that could be fully equated to Satan, which would it be? China Joe just admitted in his Communist Narrative Network town hall that China, Russia and the world's richest men (oligarchs) are running the world now and will more increasingly in the future. 

There are several "cures" for covid symptoms but zero cures for the shot. It and its long term effects are irreversible but the one thing for sure that we know about these shots is that they do not inoculate anyone from covid. The shots will let you enroll in school and keep your job however and soon enough the shots and their accompanied digital ID (mark in your hand or forehead) will be all that allows to you buy and sell. Your principalities and their propaganda outlets have made their plans facts abundantly clear.

Covid shots are NOT vaccines

The EU started working on a vaccine passport system in 2018, with the goal being to fully implement it by 2022.

Odd timing, isn't it?

https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/default/files/vacci

Do research people and don't believe the Godless.

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18 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

More double talk from the "professionals!" UGH! Wear a mask...don't wear a mask, don't wear a mask....the vaccinations work...but you still should wear a mask! Holy Cow! Will they ever get their lies straight????

And do you want more double talk from the "professionals", even conservative or liberal one?

If a group trusts one of the sources,  fine and well,  they believe what that source says, even if it is false.   BB provided many professional , conservative and liberal examples, unethical politicians on every side,  difficult to find one who can be counted on to tell the truth and only the truth any day or every day.

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"Jeff, you can't just make blanket statements like you did and not post an article from a conservative and liberal news source to back it up. It doesn't make any sense to ramble on about things you cannot back up with hard evidence. You seem to be doing that quite a bit lately. Your oft rambling statements are hard to follow with their redundency in structure. You do okay at times, but at other times, I just can't follow and wouldn't even want to try to figure out what you're saying. I like "PLAIN SPEECH!"

 

 

If you're looking for perfection in me, you may want to look past me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I'm his bondservant, and he's in charge. He's the only one perfect  that I know of. He's still working on me. So, please excuse the mess from the construction.  

Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith!-"

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Plain speech?   Don't trust any politician or doctor or scientist without being able to prove what statement is true without doubt.  Each statement must be proven true, according to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith,  before believing the statment,  even if an apostle (messenger of God) or as if an angel of light delivers a statment - don't accept it if it is false in the Light of God's Word, or contradicts God's Word. 

The world system, political and medical and educational and financial (and social and news and media) is ungodly.  Don't trust it.

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1 hour ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

And do you want more double talk from the "professionals", even conservative or liberal one?

If a group trusts one of the sources,  fine and well,  they believe what that source says, even if it is false.   BB provided many professional , conservative and liberal examples, unethical politicians on every side,  difficult to find one who can be counted on to tell the truth and only the truth any day or every day.

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"Jeff, you can't just make blanket statements like you did and not post an article from a conservative and liberal news source to back it up. It doesn't make any sense to ramble on about things you cannot back up with hard evidence. You seem to be doing that quite a bit lately. Your oft rambling statements are hard to follow with their redundency in structure. You do okay at times, but at other times, I just can't follow and wouldn't even want to try to figure out what you're saying. I like "PLAIN SPEECH!"

If you're looking for perfection in me, you may want to look past me to the Lord Jesus Christ. I'm his bondservant, and he's in charge. He's the only one perfect  that I know of. He's still working on me. So, please excuse the mess from the construction.  

Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith!-"

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Plain speech?   Don't trust any politician or doctor or scientist without being able to prove what statement is true without doubt.  Each statement must be proven true, according to Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith,  before believing the statment,  even if an apostle (messenger of God) or as if an angel of light delivers a statment - don't accept it if it is false in the Light of God's Word, or contradicts God's Word. 

The world system, political and medical and educational and financial (and social and news and media) is ungodly.  Don't trust it.

Using your line of thinking, Jeff, if you were diagnosed with cancer, MS, MD, Parkinsons or Alzheimers, you wouldn't trust the doctors. Right? I think you'd be wrong. There ARE established times when a doctor is needed, otherwise the apostle Luke wouldn't have been a physician, and neither would Christ had stated the only people who need a physician are the sick. Yes, in context he most likely was speaking of spiritual sickness, but it also translates over into physical. 

I didn't see one truly conservative outlet that BB, posted. And, as usual, you deflected, posting something other than links to what you've been spouting off here in your unintelligible posts. This is what I meant by "plain speech." Not trying to be nasty, but some of us could really understand you better without all of the redundant speech in your posts. Peace to you!

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