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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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6 hours ago, E Morales said:

I can understand that it did not help you at all, the vaccine. But very few have this same experience, this would make me angry too. We got to go by the whole percentage, like a person having heart surgery, a low percentage will not make it. Should you have it done? You are not ready to be a moderator here yet. You seem to want to put a X on topic you don’t like, to quickly, and the person. 

I don't have anything to say about the posts, but I'm free to voice my opinion. You don't have to like that, Morales. As far as the people who don't get the vaccines, most of them live. You're giving the impression that they don't. Just because a person has heart problems (I do) doesn't mean they won't make it if they contract the virus. You're giving a totally false narrative here, and people have the right and duty to call you on it whether you like it or not! I've not got anything against you personally...would be hard to do considering I don't know you. If you're so sensitive about people disagreeing with you it might be helpful to post only things where people will echo your viewpoints. 

I just wanted to add this last bit of information for Morales...I haven't asked, nor do I aspire to be a moderator here. If I was asked, I'd have to pray about it...I've had my own boards, and I don't relish the thought of having that situation in my life again. Have a nice night, Morales. 

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I have a question, but first I need to give the general situation. A friend of mine texted me today. His roommate was tested recently at a public place where they do free tests. Supposedly he tested positive for Covid - but is not sick or showing any symptoms (as far as I understand our conversation via texting). Then "Fraser Health" contacted my friend by phone and basically stated he is under doctors orders to quarantine.

So they are both quarantining starting within the last couple of days - but they have to move in one week (before the end of November).

My question is would doctors have even contacted my friend (ie. the roommate of the person exposed) to give him instructions/orders? Is that not against doctor/patient policies? My friend said it showed up as spam on his call display - but if it was government health, usually government numbers list their names in your call display (at least in British Columbia). Also, I can see his family doctor perhaps having his roommates' info on file as an emergency contact, but can't see a random testing site having that info (or the roommate giving that specific info out - unless they are required to give out all info for people in the same house - I don't know).

Either way, the person testing positive should have been contacted by the doctor or testing facility, not his roommate (my friend, who did not go for a test). It would have been up to the roommate to tell others in his household of the doctor's requirements. Has anyone else heard of a health organization or doctor contacting someone else about Covid requirements like quarantine?

To me it seems like someone playing God and deliberately trying to interfere with the lives of others (whether out of fear or otherwise). What probably happened is the roommate told one of his other friends or associates and they decided to do this. But in light of other things going on, including the required move in a week, this seems demonic and an attempt to throw a Christian off track or make them stumble. My friend was off work due to being sick for a week or two before this (not covid), but then this comes up - that means if he follows the "quarantine" he will be out of work for a month, during a time he is required to move. A lot of stress - and it does sound like it is taking its toll on my friend.

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1 hour ago, Jerry said:

I have a question, but first I need to give the general situation. A friend of mine texted me today. His roommate was tested recently at a public place where they do free tests. Supposedly he tested positive for Covid - but is not sick or showing any symptoms (as far as I understand our conversation via texting). Then "Fraser Health" contacted my friend by phone and basically stated he is under doctors orders to quarantine.

So they are both quarantining starting within the last couple of days - but they have to move in one week (before the end of November).

My question is would doctors have even contacted my friend (ie. the roommate of the person exposed) to give him instructions/orders? Is that not against doctor/patient policies? My friend said it showed up as spam on his call display - but if it was government health, usually government numbers list their names in your call display (at least in British Columbia). Also, I can see his family doctor perhaps having his roommates' info on file as an emergency contact, but can't see a random testing site having that info (or the roommate giving that specific info out - unless they are required to give out all info for people in the same house - I don't know).

Either way, the person testing positive should have been contacted by the doctor or testing facility, not his roommate (my friend, who did not go for a test). It would have been up to the roommate to tell others in his household of the doctor's requirements. Has anyone else heard of a health organization or doctor contacting someone else about Covid requirements like quarantine?

To me it seems like someone playing God and deliberately trying to interfere with the lives of others (whether out of fear or otherwise). What probably happened is the roommate told one of his other friends or associates and they decided to do this. But in light of other things going on, including the required move in a week, this seems demonic and an attempt to throw a Christian off track or make them stumble. My friend was off work due to being sick for a week or two before this (not covid), but then this comes up - that means if he follows the "quarantine" he will be out of work for a month, during a time he is required to move. A lot of stress - and it does sound like it is taking its toll on my friend.

I know here in Tennessee there have been people contacted if the primary person has tested positive. They will, if given the information, contact the second person. I know when I went to the E R here, the E R physician told me that I needed to tell my wife she had to be tested. The Health Dept would have contacted her if she wouldn't have gone to them and had her test done. Even AFTER we both tested positive, they called and tried to "contact trace" for several weeks, but, we refused to participate. If they show no symptoms of the virus, they can have a second test within ten days. At least that's the proceedure here! They need to talk with their doctors and local officials.

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3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

I don't have anything to say about the posts, but I'm free to voice my opinion. You don't have to like that, Morales. As far as the people who don't get the vaccines, most of them live. You're giving the impression that they don't. Just because a person has heart problems (I do) doesn't mean they won't make it if they contract the virus. You're giving a totally false narrative here, and people have the right and duty to call you on it whether you like it or not! I've not got anything against you personally...would be hard to do considering I don't know you. If you're so sensitive about people disagreeing with you it might be helpful to post only things where people will echo your viewpoints. 

I just wanted to add this last bit of information for Morales...I haven't asked, nor do I aspire to be a moderator here. If I was asked, I'd have to pray about it...I've had my own boards, and I don't relish the thought of having that situation in my life again. Have a nice night, Morales. 

Thank you, have a good night keep warm.

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18 hours ago, Jerry said:

I have a question, but first I need to give the general situation. A friend of mine texted me today. His roommate was tested recently at a public place where they do free tests. Supposedly he tested positive for Covid - but is not sick or showing any symptoms (as far as I understand our conversation via texting). Then "Fraser Health" contacted my friend by phone and basically stated he is under doctors orders to quarantine.

So they are both quarantining starting within the last couple of days - but they have to move in one week (before the end of November).

My question is would doctors have even contacted my friend (ie. the roommate of the person exposed) to give him instructions/orders? Is that not against doctor/patient policies? My friend said it showed up as spam on his call display - but if it was government health, usually government numbers list their names in your call display (at least in British Columbia). Also, I can see his family doctor perhaps having his roommates' info on file as an emergency contact, but can't see a random testing site having that info (or the roommate giving that specific info out - unless they are required to give out all info for people in the same house - I don't know).

Either way, the person testing positive should have been contacted by the doctor or testing facility, not his roommate (my friend, who did not go for a test). It would have been up to the roommate to tell others in his household of the doctor's requirements. Has anyone else heard of a health organization or doctor contacting someone else about Covid requirements like quarantine?

To me it seems like someone playing God and deliberately trying to interfere with the lives of others (whether out of fear or otherwise). What probably happened is the roommate told one of his other friends or associates and they decided to do this. But in light of other things going on, including the required move in a week, this seems demonic and an attempt to throw a Christian off track or make them stumble. My friend was off work due to being sick for a week or two before this (not covid), but then this comes up - that means if he follows the "quarantine" he will be out of work for a month, during a time he is required to move. A lot of stress - and it does sound like it is taking its toll on my friend.

I’m a little confused on who told who what, but in Alberta, if you test positive, you will absolutely be contacted by phone to inform you of the positive test. 
 

if he can make the move privately,  without exposing people (other than any friends who knowingly choose to help), it might be worth the risk. Just don’t change any addresses on paperwork until after the quarantine period (and keep the same phone number). Border agencies are very good about following up (don’t mess with them!), but health agencies don’t seem to - at least in this province. 

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My friend who was contacted was not the one who took the Covid test. That was his roommate. If anything, it should have been his roommate that was contacted.

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28 minutes ago, Jerry said:

My friend who was contacted was not the one who took the Covid test. That was his roommate. If anything, it should have been his roommate that was contacted.

Here, if the person has the testing done through the county health dept, they have the "obligation" to contact everyone who lives at that residence, and they do try to. They tried to contact my wife after I was diagnosed. But, she had already gone in for her test. Then they started contacting her about other's she'd been in contact with. Here you don't have to answer their questions unless you care to...it's not mandatory. But, they continue to hound you if you don't. We finally just blocked the numbers of the contractors for the health dept.

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Ok, they sometimes do contact you. Is it part of their mandate to tell you/order you to quarantine (referring to contacting a secondary person, not the person testing positive)? I have no qualms with them stating you should quarantine if you live in a house with those who test positive - ie. the whole house should quarantine. Same advice I would give, but I don't call other people and tell them they have to.

But for the sake of my friend, how is this not violating doctor/patient confidentiality? Or is this the one medical issue the health situation will justify violating laws on?

For the sake of an illustration - a made up example: If someone had an std that was potentially life-threatening, it would still be against the law for them to contact that person's sexual partners. What is the difference here? Yes, Covid is potentially life-threatening - but we still have laws. The right and responsible thing would be for the person testing positive to tell those he is in close contact with (whether living under the same roof or not) what his diagnosis was (and encourage his contacts to get tested too), not the doctors. Now, I am not saying that the medical system or other authorities don't have the right to follow up and check on that person and their situation - especially if they are contagious - but that is a different issue.

For the record, I am not against the doctors contacting other people involved. It just didn't seem right, in the way that my friend was stating had happened. And there are still laws and procedures that should be followed that shouldn't just be waived because it is Covid. Though of course we know many governments around the world are using this - rightly or wrongly - as their reason to enforce more controlling laws and mandates.

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@Jerry, it wasn't againt the law for them to contact people who had been exposed to the AIDS virus back in the late 80s and early 90s. We had several acquaintances who were contacted because they had been exposed to the virus. They were contacted by a hospital, an AIDS specialist, and their primary care physician. We lived in three different states that carried out this kind of thing, and it didn't matter whether it violated Dr/Patient confidentiality or not. This was a very deadly disease. Because one of these people had been infected and I worked with them, and had assisted them when they had sustained a bleeding injury at work, my skin being exposed to their blood, I had to be tested several times over a two year period. Their doctor is the one who contacted me about their having AIDS...my co-worker told me just before the doctor contacted me about this, that he was HIV positive. Thankfully, I didn't contract it. But, they did the right thing. 

In the case of my wife, she works with many other people and she is a lead person...being an essential worker in an essential position, she was asked to give the names of her people to the health dept...not required, but was requested several times. She told the people in person and by texts. They all got tested, and nobody else had the c-19 virus. The health dept did track down one of her coworkers, though, and let them know that my wife had the virus. These people are relentless.

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Okay, I see what you are saying - but do they have the right to command/enforce quarantine?

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I got the bologna virus right now and though it's no fun I've been much sicker before. The Russian flu I had in 1978 was brutal. The worst part is this headache that won't go away and my tinnitus is buzzing extra loud. I had a raging fever for a few hours and sinuses off the charts they could barely get the swab up my nose. I'm supposed to get a monoclonal treatment sometime next week. 

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10 minutes ago, SureWord said:

I got the bologna virus right now and though it's no fun I've been much sicker before. The Russian flu I had in 1978 was brutal. The worst part is this headache that won't go away and my tinnitus is buzzing extra loud. I had a raging fever for a few hours and sinuses off the charts they could barely get the swab up my nose. I'm supposed to get a monoclonal treatment sometime next week. 

Is this a joke or are you really sick.

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6 hours ago, SureWord said:

No joke at all.

The doctors say to take tylenol or it's generic, and to keep hydrated. I started out with Gatorade, but the doctors greatly prefer Pedialyte over it because of the "less sugar" position. Electrolytes of any kind are good. We used "Jewish penicillin" (chicken soup to you great unwashed) and sugar free jello to keep something on our stomachs to lessen stomach and colon complications.

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3am it got pretty bad tonight almost as bad as the Russian flu I had as a kid but my fever has finally come down. Amazingly I haven't got Covid pneumonia yet I think the one med I take for my asthma called Singulair has help prevent that. It's been used in Covid treatment. 

I gave covid to my 89 year old father whom I live with as his caretaker and he got over it pretty easily.  

I tested negative but apparently did have it and tested positive early Thanksgiving morning.

My whole family has been recently rocked by Covid including vaccinated family members. My mother is double vaccinated and has to get a Covid cocktail on Monday.

I don't know if this changes my mind about the vax but anyone who gets it I understand. I'm still opposed to vaccine mandates, though.

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17 minutes ago, SureWord said:

3am it got pretty bad tonight almost as bad as the Russian flu I had as a kid but my fever has finally come down. Amazingly I haven't got Covid pneumonia yet I think the one med I take for my asthma called Singulair has help prevent that. It's been used in Covid treatment. 

I gave covid to my 89 year old father whom I live with as his caretaker and he got over it pretty easily.  

I tested negative but apparently did have it and tested positive early Thanksgiving morning.

My whole family has been recently rocked by Covid including vaccinated family members. My mother is double vaccinated and has to get a Covid cocktail on Monday.

I don't know if this changes my mind about the vax but anyone who gets it I understand. I'm still opposed to vaccine mandates, though.

Hey, if you feel you need to get it, talk to your doctor. The ER doctor talked to me about it and told me I couldn't get it for at least 90 days...I wasn't going to at any rate anyhow. But, I don't want to stop others from getting it if they want it. 

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9 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Hey, if you feel you need to get it, talk to your doctor. The ER doctor talked to me about it and told me I couldn't get it for at least 90 days...I wasn't going to at any rate anyhow. But, I don't want to stop others from getting it if they want it. 

Curious; why 80 days? Here in Northern California you can get it at any pharmacy and also at other places set up to do the jab. Seems like everywhere I look there are signs for getting Covid 19 vaccinations.

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8 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Curious; why 80 days? Here in Northern California you can get it at any pharmacy and also at other places set up to do the jab. Seems like everywhere I look there are signs for getting Covid 19 vaccinations.

It was 90s, and it was per CDC guidelines for someone who was currently fighting the virus. I had it at that time. Yes, there are signs at many pharmacies for people to "come in and get vaccinated." I'm pretty much eligible for it now, but I won't be getting it. 

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