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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Just read an interesting article in the August 6th, 2021 issue of THE WEEK. It dealt with GOP politicians switching their view and encouraging people to get their vaccinations. The most interesting sentence read:

Republican leaders see the pandemic's "alarming new math" and have decided they'd rather not "take the blame for killing off their own voters."

DUH, who did they think were being killed off?

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I just read an interesting article where a Conservative Yukon politician got booted out of the party for supporting freedom of choice for Covid injections. We have a federal election in September - I have no clue which party to vote for. They're all in on this removal of our liberties and freedoms.

BB, you do realize that if the right for liberty and freedom of choice is removed, eventually the government will make a decision you don't agree with - and there will be no remaining chance to fight for those freedoms. You better fight for EVERYONE'S freedom of choice now - even those you disagree with - before that freedom is gone for good.

I am a staunch patriot, and never dreamed of leaving Canada, but.... anyone want to sponsor a church pianist/organist to escape this country? :think_smiley_11:

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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

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If places can start to ask for proof of vaccination for Covid 19...we should be able to ask for the following without reserve!

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5 hours ago, Salyan said:

I just read an interesting article where a Conservative Yukon politician got booted out of the party for supporting freedom of choice for Covid injections. We have a federal election in September - I have no clue which party to vote for. They're all in on this removal of our liberties and freedoms.

BB, you do realize that if the right for liberty and freedom of choice is removed, eventually the government will make a decision you don't agree with - and there will be no remaining chance to fight for those freedoms. You better fight for EVERYONE'S freedom of choice now - even those you disagree with - before that freedom is gone for good.

I am a staunch patriot, and never dreamed of leaving Canada, but.... anyone want to sponsor a church pianist/organist to escape this country? :think_smiley_11:

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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

~ att. to Martin Niemoller

If we had more of an opportunity to help people escape the tyrannies of the Canadian government, we would...the problem is that OUR government is becoming just a tyrranical under Biden.

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Michael Kagan, a professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, says the cancerous lymph nodes in his neck are like a "ticking time bomb." But there's little he can do.

MountainView Hospital, where he was scheduled to have his procedure last week, has put all surgeries requiring an overnight stay on hold as Covid-19 case counts and hospitalizations climb, according to a statement from spokesperson Jennifer McDonnell.
"I'm not getting any treatment so on any given day it could spread to another part of my body or it can grow and cause a much bigger problem," Kagan told CNN's Brianna Keilar on Tuesday. "I'm just living with a time bomb and I'm just letting it tick down, basically."
 
With Covid-19 case numbers surging across the United States and many unvaccinated Americans falling ill, the number of available hospital beds has been dwindling in parts of the country. Some hospitals now report their intensive care units, which are usually reserved for the most critically ill patients, are full -- a grim reality that's forcing health care leaders to make tough decisions, whether that be redirecting new patients to other facilities, canceling surgeries or creating makeshift ICU beds in the middle of emergency rooms.

 

The US remains among nations with the highest rate of new Covid-19 cases, driven mostly by a surge in the South, where many states are lagging in getting people vaccinated against the coronavirus.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/14/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

 

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The Obama Variant has just been unleashed upon the world. So far, 74 of the chosen Elites to his Hunger Games-esque, drug induced, birthday orgy have come down with the Wu Flu. They've become "super-spreaders". 

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53 minutes ago, SureWord said:

The Obama Variant has just been unleashed upon the world. So far, 74 of the chosen Elites to his Hunger Games-esque, drug induced, birthday orgy have come down with the Wu Flu. They've become "super-spreaders". 

The unvaccinated are and will cause the death of children who need help but cannot get it because of overcrowded hospitals.  

A Texas judge spelled out the dire COVID-19 situation for young people in the state on Friday, telling a news conference that “in Dallas, we have zero ICU beds left for children.”

"That means if your child's in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don't have one. Your child will wait for another child to die," Jenkins said. "Your child will just not get on the ventilator, your child will be CareFlighted to Temple or Oklahoma City or wherever we can find them a bed, but they won't be getting one here unless one clears."

“Your child will wait for another child to die,” he bluntly pointed out.
 
Watch the video. 
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1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

The unvaccinated are and will cause the death of children who need help but cannot get it because of overcrowded hospitals.  

A Texas judge spelled out the dire COVID-19 situation for young people in the state on Friday, telling a news conference that “in Dallas, we have zero ICU beds left for children.”

"That means if your child's in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don't have one. Your child will wait for another child to die," Jenkins said. "Your child will just not get on the ventilator, your child will be CareFlighted to Temple or Oklahoma City or wherever we can find them a bed, but they won't be getting one here unless one clears."

“Your child will wait for another child to die,” he bluntly pointed out.
 
Watch the video. 

What's this have to do with the Obama-21 virus?

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1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

The unvaccinated are and will cause the death of children who need help but cannot get it because of overcrowded hospitals.  

A Texas judge spelled out the dire COVID-19 situation for young people in the state on Friday, telling a news conference that “in Dallas, we have zero ICU beds left for children.”

"That means if your child's in a car wreck, if your child has a congenital heart defect or something and needs an ICU bed, or more likely if they have COVID and need an ICU bed, we don't have one. Your child will wait for another child to die," Jenkins said. "Your child will just not get on the ventilator, your child will be CareFlighted to Temple or Oklahoma City or wherever we can find them a bed, but they won't be getting one here unless one clears."

“Your child will wait for another child to die,” he bluntly pointed out.
 
Watch the video. 

BB...can't you be HONEST just one day of your life? You, like the Federal government, seem to like trying to instill fear into people. The UNVACCINATED are being proven over and over not to be any more responsible for the spread than those who've already had the vaccination and are spreading it, dying in the hospitals fully vaccinated. Get real!

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1 minute ago, BrotherTony said:

BB...can't you be HONEST just one day of your life? You, like the Federal government, seem to like trying to instill fear into people. The UNVACCINATED are being proven over and over not to be any more responsible for the spread than those who've already had the vaccination and are spreading it, dying in the hospitals fully vaccinated. Get real!

Respectfully you are wrong. The unvaccinated are the ones filling over 90% of the hospital beds and this leads to no beds or personnel for people with other needs. Can't you be honest and accept the glaring facts?

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1 minute ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Respectfully you are wrong. The unvaccinated are the ones filling over 90% of the hospital beds and this leads to no beds or personnel for people with other needs. Can't you be honest and accept the glaring facts?

Whose "glaring facts?" The GOVERNMENT who has been lying to us for years, and ESPECIALLY the last 20 months? I see all you can post in rebuttal are liberal sources that not many here will trust. You couldn't post a CONSERVATIVE, HONEST site if it bit you on the behind! The glaring fact is that there is a 99+% recovery rate from ANY of the strains thus far in this alleged "pandemic." Is the virus real...of course...only a FOOL would say it isn't. Is a vaccine necessary, especially if it's being so heavily promoted and pushed on people by the government who has been lying to us???? NO, it IS NOT. Many who have been vaccinated fully are dying, and even your favorite liberal, left-wing sources are reporting it. Strange you're too blind to see it, or too obtuse to admit it!

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Whose "glaring facts?" The GOVERNMENT who has been lying to us for years, and ESPECIALLY the last 20 months? I see all you can post in rebuttal are liberal sources that not many here will trust. You couldn't post a CONSERVATIVE, HONEST site if it bit you on the behind! The glaring fact is that there is a 99+% recovery rate from ANY of the strains thus far in this alleged "pandemic." Is the virus real...of course...only a FOOL would say it isn't. Is a vaccine necessary, especially if it's being so heavily promoted and pushed on people by the government who has been lying to us???? NO, it IS NOT. Many who have been vaccinated fully are dying, and even your favorite liberal, left-wing sources are reporting it. Strange you're too blind to see it, or too obtuse to admit it!

That does not negate the fact that the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated people. Less than 1% of the people vaccinated end up in the hospital. That means that 99% of the beds are taken up by unvaccinated  people. Beds filled with unvaccinated mean there are fewer or no beds for people facing other medical issues. The unvaccinated are responsible. This isn't politics. This is life. 

It is totally selfish for a person to remain unvaccinated and possible infections others and children. 

Be honest BT. Start facing the real issue.

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sWith all due respect...the real issue is that YOUR group of fanatical people are trying to take away the rights of those who don't want to inject clearly dangerous chemicals into their bodies...chemicals which don't protect anyone from anything. People who have been vaccinated are still getting the virus, passing it along just like the unvaccinated. More proof that the people of this country, and of the world, are being played by the governments. They are living in fear of something that doesn't need to be feared. I'm ALWAYS honest...I don't have to rely on left-wing radical MSM sites for my information. I have family and friends in medicine, and I definitely would trust them before I'd trust our government. At least the people I know don't have to try and bribe us to stay unvaccinated. They don't even have to speak for the most part. It's clearly evident from the recovery rate, infection rate, and the unwillilngness and inability of our medical establishment and government to come clean on the TRUE COVID DEATHS, and why so many who didn't even have any signs of the virus were listed as having the virus on their death certificates. We have at least one in our family that had this happen, and a friend who died in a motorcycle accident who had Covid listed as his cause of death when it SO CLEARLY wasn't!

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34 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

sWith all due respect...the real issue is that YOUR group of fanatical people are trying to take away the rights of those who don't want to inject clearly dangerous chemicals into their bodies...chemicals which don't protect anyone from anything. People who have been vaccinated are still getting the virus, passing it along just like the unvaccinated. More proof that the people of this country, and of the world, are being played by the governments. They are living in fear of something that doesn't need to be feared. I'm ALWAYS honest...I don't have to rely on left-wing radical MSM sites for my information. I have family and friends in medicine, and I definitely would trust them before I'd trust our government. At least the people I know don't have to try and bribe us to stay unvaccinated. They don't even have to speak for the most part. It's clearly evident from the recovery rate, infection rate, and the unwillilngness and inability of our medical establishment and government to come clean on the TRUE COVID DEATHS, and why so many who didn't even have any signs of the virus were listed as having the virus on their death certificates. We have at least one in our family that had this happen, and a friend who died in a motorcycle accident who had Covid listed as his cause of death when it SO CLEARLY wasn't!

What about people's right to not be infected because of people refusing to be vaccinated? 

But that has nothing to do with the current topic which is that the unvaccinated are taking up so many beds that hospitals cannot perform surgeries, take care of children, cannot respond to emergencies. All because of the unvaccinated.

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21 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What about people's right to not be infected because of people refusing to be vaccinated? 

But that has nothing to do with the current topic which is that the unvaccinated are taking up so many beds that hospitals cannot perform surgeries, take care of children, cannot respond to emergencies. All because of the unvaccinated.

You just can't seem to admit that the VACCINATED are spreading the virus as well. Nobody KNOWS for certain that the unvaccinated are the culprits, and your continually using that mantra doesn't make it so.

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So, please tell me once again how this ISN'T all about the money!!! 1.2 million people got an UNAUTHORIZED third vaccination....The CDC said not all systems were up and available for verification....LIKELY STORY!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/12-million-americans-got-unauthorized-3rd-covid-shot-cdc-says/vi-AANiXQE?ocid=chromentpnews

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22 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

So, please tell me once again how this ISN'T all about the money!!! 1.2 million people got an UNAUTHORIZED third vaccination....The CDC said not all systems were up and available for verification....LIKELY STORY!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/12-million-americans-got-unauthorized-3rd-covid-shot-cdc-says/vi-AANiXQE?ocid=chromentpnews

Off topic. We are talking about hospitals filled with unvaccinated ill people who have COVID and their taking beds  that end up costing other, including children their lives. The vaccinated would not have gotten sick if everyone had gotten their vaccination. 

As the headline reads:

Republican leaders fiddle while Covid burns through their own supporters. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/14/republican-leaders-fiddle-while-covid-burns-through-their-own-supporters

 

It is not very wise to follow a policy that put your own supporters lives in danger. Right?

 

And...

Mississippi requested outside help in securing enough medical staff to meet demand as the delta variant fills hospitals with mostly unvaccinated Covid patients.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/13/mississippi-seeks-doctors-nurses-and-ventilators-as-covid-patients-pack-icu-beds.html

Face it, it is the unvaccinated that is causing the overcrowding problem. 

2 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

sWith all due respect...the real issue is that YOUR group of fanatical people are trying to take away the rights of those who don't want to inject clearly dangerous chemicals into their bodies...chemicals which don't protect anyone from anything. People who have been vaccinated are still getting the virus, passing it along just like the unvaccinated. More proof that the people of this country, and of the world, are being played by the governments. They are living in fear of something that doesn't need to be feared. I'm ALWAYS honest...I don't have to rely on left-wing radical MSM sites for my information. I have family and friends in medicine, and I definitely would trust them before I'd trust our government. At least the people I know don't have to try and bribe us to stay unvaccinated. They don't even have to speak for the most part. It's clearly evident from the recovery rate, infection rate, and the unwillilngness and inability of our medical establishment and government to come clean on the TRUE COVID DEATHS, and why so many who didn't even have any signs of the virus were listed as having the virus on their death certificates. We have at least one in our family that had this happen, and a friend who died in a motorcycle accident who had Covid listed as his cause of death when it SO CLEARLY wasn't!

What about the right of people to be protected from people who follow foolish practices and put others at risk. 

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Again, BB...NOT off topic...this is a MERGED thread...get used to it. The only thing I have to face is the ignorance of your generation and the fear that they have of a virus that has a recovery rate that is higher than most virus'...LOL

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Again, BB...NOT off topic...this is a MERGED thread...get used to it. The only thing I have to face is the ignorance of your generation and the fear that they have of a virus that has a recovery rate that is higher than most virus'...LOL

What percentage of corvid hospital beds are filled with unvaccinated people?

What about the rights of people not to be infected by people who will not get a vaccination?

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5 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What percentage of corvid hospital beds are filled with unvaccinated people?

What about the rights of people not to be infected by people who will not get a vaccination?

What about YOU get real and admit that people who have had the vaccination are just as big of carriers as the unvaccinated...Several of the liberal news outlets you've used have stated the same...so why not just admit it, BB?? The percentage being reported by your beloved leftist outlets is ALWAYS going to be inaccurate...they've proven that time and again throughout this power grab!

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