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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Official Covid Thread (Other Threads Merged in here)


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8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

The percentage rate that has been floated my way by some people state that between 5 & 10 percent of the public has experienced the Wuhan Flu. I don't know that this is accurate. I haven't really sat down to figure it out...I'm more concerned with the percentage of people who recover who DO contract it. 

I don't think we will ever know the answer to that, not when toddlers who die from physical injuries are included in the covid death count.  They need to stop paying hospitals extra for covid cases.  

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1 hour ago, Baptistsenior said:

At my age/health,  the recovery rate is a bit less, but I'd really like to know how much of a chance that I actually have of contracting  it, not just recovering from it..  Can't seem to find that number anywhere.  I am pro vaccine, but Not at all sure about getting this new vaccine

More than 99.99% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19 and are the country’s best shot at slowing the pandemic down and avoiding further suffering.

Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case.

Most of the breakthrough cases – about 74% – occurred among adults 65 or older.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html

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13 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

If you stay away from people who are coughing, sneezing and spitting then you won't catch either vovid or the variant    

It's possible that's true, but highly unlikely. Besides, not all people who cough, as I do because of COPD and asthma, and sneeze like my wife and I do because of seasonal allergies, have covid, nor carry the virus. We have to face facts...most people are living in fear of something that PROBABLY won't kill them. It may make them uncomfortable for a while like a cold or flu do...but, that's about it.

2 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

More than 99.99% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19 and are the country’s best shot at slowing the pandemic down and avoiding further suffering.

Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case.

Most of the breakthrough cases – about 74% – occurred among adults 65 or older.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html

And again...Government manipulated statistics from fellow left-winged hacks like CNN. Typical. I'll keep repeating 99.7% recovery rate, inflated death #'s allegedly from "Covid" when most just have "Covid" as contributing factor with the underlying conditions as primary. Keep trying to instill fear in people, BB...you're not very good at it, but, keep trying! 😉

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5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

It's possible that's true, but highly unlikely. Besides, not all people who cough, as I do because of COPD and asthma, and sneeze like my wife and I do because of seasonal allergies, have covid, nor carry the virus. We have to face facts...most people are living in fear of something that PROBABLY won't kill them. It may make them uncomfortable for a while like a cold or flu do...but, that's about it.

And again...Government manipulated statistics from fellow left-winged hacks like CNN. Typical. I'll keep repeating 99.7% recovery rate, inflated death #'s allegedly from "Covid" when most just have "Covid" as contributing factor with the underlying conditions as primary. Keep trying to instill fear in people, BB...you're not very good at it, but, keep trying! 😉

Had to add this for BB......

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

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39 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

More than 99.99% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19 and are the country’s best shot at slowing the pandemic down and avoiding further suffering.

Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case.

Most of the breakthrough cases – about 74% – occurred among adults 65 or older.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html

This vaccine is brand new, and although it may or may not be cutting down the chances of people getting the virus etc, nobody knows for how long and what the long term effects of this vaccine is.  Just heard that during one of the delta outbreaks that 72% of the hospitilized patients had been fully vaccinated.  Any meds you put into your body adversely affect you, and this vaccine goes way beyond medicine 

47 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

It's possible that's true, but highly unlikely. Besides, not all people who cough, as I do because of COPD and asthma, and sneeze like my wife and I do because of seasonal allergies, have covid, nor carry the virus. We have to face facts...most people are living in fear of something that PROBABLY won't kill them. It may make them uncomfortable for a while like a cold or flu do...but, that's about it.

And again...Government manipulated statistics from fellow left-winged hacks like CNN. Typical. I'll keep repeating 99.7% recovery rate, inflated death #'s allegedly from "Covid" when most just have "Covid" as contributing factor with the underlying conditions as primary. Keep trying to instill fear in people, BB...you're not very good at it, but, keep trying! 😉

One cannot get this virus unless they have been around an infected person who coughed, sneezed or spit on or around them for more than 15 minutes.  I have been back at church for over a year with hundreds of unmasked, unvaccinated people and no outbreaks.  Real life proves the fearmongers are wrong.  

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13 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

This vaccine is brand new, and although it may or may not be cutting down the chances of people getting the virus etc, nobody knows for how long and what the long term effects of this vaccine is.  Just heard that during one of the delta outbreaks that 72% of the hospitilized patients had been fully vaccinated.  Any meds you put into your body adversely affect you, and this vaccine goes way beyond medicine 

One cannot get this virus unless they have been around an infected person who coughed, sneezed or spit on or around them for more than 15 minutes.  I have been back at church for over a year with hundreds of unmasked, unvaccinated people and no outbreaks.  Real life proves the fearmongers are wrong.  

The coughing, sneezing or spitting are not necessary components in contracting this virus. Someone can contract it just by being in the same enclosed space with an infected person for 15 minutes or more. I know many doctors, have many nephews and nieces who are NPs or nurses. They say  that yes, you can contract it through being around someone who's infected who has coughed, sneezed or spit, but you can also contract it the same way I mentioned. I have been around people who've done these things, and I've been tested several times...every time with the result of negative.

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So I finally know of someone close to me that got the Fauci virus. My sister. They gave her an antibiotic and she spent two days in bed with what amounted to a sinus infection. 

As far as my mother, she is back home. One doctor admitted the blood clots could had come from the vaccine especially since they did not originate in her legs. The other doctor who was a shill for the government refused to admit it.

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

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Go ahead, ban the maskless and/or unvaccinated and watch more businesses tank. The billionaires will thank you.

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4 minutes ago, SureWord said:

So I finally know of someone close to me that got the Fauci virus. My sister. They gave her an antibiotic and she spent two days in bed with what amounted to a sinus infection. 

As far as my mother, she is back home. One doctor admitted the blood clots could had come from the vaccine especially since they did not originate in her legs. The other doctor who was a shill for the government refused to admit it.

Go ahead, ban the maskless and/or unvaccinated and watch more businesses tank. The billionaires will thank you.

That's one of the major goals of this "pandemic"....the continued transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. It's been going on for ages, but has ramped up through this "pandemic." Shameful! 

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

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BB, those people who don't let people in without masks can do without our business...I'm not worried about them. Thankfully, most of what I need doesn't come from a supermarket. We've been blessed to be able to live on a minimalist basis. I don't need a whole lot, and neither does my wife. Funny cartoon. I don't see anyone here saying the coronavirus is a hoax, so your post is more in the way of hyperbole on your part.

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42 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

The coughing, sneezing or spitting are not necessary components in contracting this virus. Someone can contract it just by being in the same enclosed space with an infected person for 15 minutes or more. I know many doctors, have many nephews and nieces who are NPs or nurses. They say  that yes, you can contract it through being around someone who's infected who has coughed, sneezed or spit, but you can also contract it the same way I mentioned. I have been around people who've done these things, and I've been tested several times...every time with the result of negative.

Of course it's necessary , it isn't a bug that crawls or hangs in the air infinitely. It must be excreted though the nose or mouth just like any other covid virus and breathed in for a length of time  just like any other virus 

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Just now, Baptistsenior said:

Of course it's necessary , it isn't a bug that crawls or hangs in the air infinitely. It must be excreted though the nose or mouth just like any other covid virus and breathed in for a length of time  just like any other virus 

It ISN'T necessary. Natural respiration still expels vapor from the mouth and nose. 

https://study.com/academy/lesson/respiration-in-the-water-cycle.html

 

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2 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

Not enough to infect someone unless they are on top of the infected person, otherwise everyoneone in the same family would catch it and they don't. Nobody breaths that hard

Incorrect. Think you'd better consult a doctor or nurse about this. I'm related to several and know better.

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21 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Incorrect. Think you'd better consult a doctor or nurse about this. I'm related to several and know better.

In a tiny hospital cubicle surrounded by curtains it may very well be possible for anyone enclosed in there for 15 minutes to get enough of a viral load to infect them, but in normal conditions no. There may even be a case or two infected that way, but I doubt it The head of nursing at my church wouldn't even wear a mask at church

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Just now, Baptistsenior said:

In a tiny hospital cubicle surrounded by curtains it may very well be possible for anyone enclosed in there for 15 minutes to get enough of a viral load to infect them, but in normal conditions no. There may even be a case or two infected that way, but I doubt it The head of nursing at my church wouldn't even wear a mask at church

In a room 10x24 it is possible to contract the virus through ordinary respiration...at least that is the guidance given by local health officials in Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee,  and Georgia that I have spoken to. I have family in all of those states and have talked to health officials before making trips to these areas...I live in Tennessee. Most of the medical personel I know wear masks in the hospitals because it is mandated for healthcare workers to do so...but most of them will not wear them in church, restaurants, grocery or other shopping outlets. My own ear, nose and throat specialist and I have talked about this many times, and he stated several times that depending on the depth of ones respiration, it will affect how far a virus will travel and how long it can hang in the air. He should know since he deals with it every day.

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8 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

In a room 10x24 it is possible to contract the virus through ordinary respiration...at least that is the guidance given by local health officials in Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee,  and Georgia that I have spoken to. I have family in all of those states and have talked to health officials before making trips to these areas...I live in Tennessee. Most of the medical personel I know wear masks in the hospitals because it is mandated for healthcare workers to do so...but most of them will not wear them in church, restaurants, grocery or other shopping outlets. My own ear, nose and throat specialist and I have talked about this many times, and he stated several times that depending on the depth of ones respiration, it will affect how far a virus will travel and how long it can hang in the air. He should know since he deals with it every day.

Let me know if you hear of any confirmed cases that was transmitted that way. Remember the health officials said we needed to disinfect our packages too lol

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1 minute ago, Baptistsenior said:

Let me know if you hear of any confirmed cases that was transmitted that way. Remember the health officials said we needed to disinfect our packages too lol

There are many who have, I am sure. It would be pretty hard to track them down, just as it would hard to track down and varify those you say got it through someone coughing, spitting or wheezing on them...UGH!

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23 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

There are many who have, I am sure. It would be pretty hard to track them down, just as it would hard to track down and varify those you say got it through someone coughing, spitting or wheezing on them...UGH!

Well I know of many that got infected from coughers, sneezes, spitters, but none from breathers. I don't know any that got any virus that way anything is possible I suppose

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6 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

Well I know of many that got infected from coughers, sneezes, spitters, but none from breathers. I don't know any that got any virus that way anything is possible I suppose

How can you state "None from breathers."?. I know many who got it from being around people coughing, sneezing, spitting or wheezing as well...but that doesn't rule out ordinary respiration. To try and rule that out is just unrealistic! 

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32 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

How can you state "None from breathers."?. I know many who got it from being around people coughing, sneezing, spitting or wheezing as well...but that doesn't rule out ordinary respiration. To try and rule that out is just unrealistic! 

Doesn't rule it out, but there isn't any proof it happens either. Although I suppose if my husband had that fake asymptomatic stuff and I slept with him while he was snoring..........

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