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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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4 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

99.7% of all new COVID cases are unvaccinated people and are costing huge amounts of money. Should the cost of health insurance for the unvaccinated be raised to cover the cost? 

 

You truly are a mouthpiece of the left, or seem to be. Remember, BB, there's still at 99.6% recovery rate...there's no need for a vaccine. It's not been proven to be effective, especially now with all the breakthroughs and varients showing up...It's just another way for the government and the Big Pharma to make more money from the unsuspecting public. 

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6 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Biden has also sidestepped questions about unvaccinated illegals entering our country and being shipped to various communities while they are unaware of it, and how they are spreading the virus. He also ignores the fact that those already vaccinated can spread the virus itself (the original) and the variants.  Are y'all confused yet??? 😉

There are still available sites with the pdf format "Dismantling the Virus Theory",  AND many other sites found just searching without quotes:  the virus theory.

It is mind-numbing how many doctors and scientists and microbiologists in countries world wide for a century have PROVEN there is no problem known proven by ANY LAB that a virus caused problem.

And much more info,  many directions,  exposing the profit schemes of the virus pretenders.

And yes,  disease marches on.   Millions more every year die from AIR, FOOD and WATER,  than from ANY virus the last two years.  By calling many of these deaths covd deaths, officially,  that's where they get the numbers they published fraudulently ,  all for power and profit.

1 minute ago, BrotherTony said:

You truly are a mouthpiece of the left, or seem to be. Remember, BB, there's still at 99.6% recovery rate...there's no need for a vaccine. It's not been proven to be effective, especially now with all the breakthroughs and varients showing up...It's just another way for the government and the Big Pharma to make more money from the unsuspecting public. 

He said/ posted once or more times that he is heavily INVESTED in the medical ways ,  regardless if they were ever right -  he INVESTED thousands of hours over years "indexing" false and true information without apparently EVER telling the difference between false and true. 

So he is and has been totally immersed mentally (and probably financially bound) in the system and its ways,  regardless again of right or wrong.  So when the system is wrong,  not just he, but everyone with the system is wrong too.

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12 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

You truly are a mouthpiece of the left, or seem to be. Remember, BB, there's still at 99.6% recovery rate...there's no need for a vaccine. It's not been proven to be effective, especially now with all the breakthroughs and varients showing up...It's just another way for the government and the Big Pharma to make more money from the unsuspecting public. 

Brother Tony, my question is not about the vaccine. Rather it is about should the unvaccinated have to pay higher insurance premiums as they are 99.7% of the people in the hospital with COVID. The unvaccinated will run up costs of about 8 billion this year. That could have been reduced by 99% with vaccinations.  Is it fair to charge the vaccinated higher premiums to support those who refuse to be vaccinated.

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6 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Brother Tony, my question is not about the vaccine. Rather it is about should the unvaccinated have to pay higher insurance premiums as they are 99.7% of the people in the hospital with COVID. Is it fair to charge the vaccinated higher premiums to support those who refuse to be vaccinated. 

Unsubstantiated, twisted Government horse puckey! People who've already paid into the system shouldn't be forced to pay anymore than anyone else regardless, and you KNOW this. You choose to try and be a prevaucateur instead. Sorry, BB, but, I'm not going to play your game. You can take your ball and go home now.

And, actually, your question IS about the vaccine. You're asking if the un-VACCINATED people should pay more. You really need to be careful about the questions you ask!

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Pointing out to BB that his question is INDEED about the vaccine
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9 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Unsubstantiated, twisted Government horse puckey! People who've already paid into the system shouldn't be forced to pay anymore than anyone else regardless, and you KNOW this. You choose to try and be a prevaucateur instead. Sorry, BB, but, I'm not going to play your game. You can take your ball and go home now.

And, actually, your question IS about the vaccine. You're asking if the un-VACCINATED people should pay more. You really need to be careful about the questions you ask!

I read an article on this topic and was wondering what you and others felt. People who smoke pay more for health insurance. Drivers with bad records have to pay more for car insurance. I have not made up my mind on this one yet. So, help me. Why should they not pay more?

Here is a paragraph from one article I read.

"Thus, the unvaccinated will drive up health care costs for everyone. Perhaps a better incentive for vaccination would be to place the unvaccinated in separate insurance risk pools or to impose a surcharge on their health insurance premiums."

https://signalscv.com/2021/06/jim-de-bree-unvaccinated-and-insurance-costs/

Should risk pools be allowed?

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12 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

The unvaccinated will run up costs of about 8 billion this year. That could have been reduced by 99% with vaccinations.  Is it fair to charge the vaccinated higher premiums to support those who refuse to be vaccinated.

The VACCINATEDand their ilk ,  while getting sicker,  are responsible for costs published of over 5 Trillion  $5,000,000,000,000,000.00 !!  

So 8 billion,   $8,000,000,000 ,   is nothing compared to that.  If the ilk producers and power-money-hungry rich had done nothing,   we would not have been shut down,  only a few (under 3% isolated),  

and most people would not even have noticed anything different.   It was and is all a charade of 

the power mongers..   A world reset totally right under your nose.

2 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Here is a paragraph from one article I read.

"Thus, the unvaccinated will drive up health care costs for everyone. Perhaps a better incentive for vaccination would be to place the unvaccinated in separate insurance risk pools or to impose a surcharge on their health insurance premiums."

https://signalscv.com/2021/06/jim-de-bree-unvaccinated-and-insurance-costs/

Should risk pools be allowed?

There are thousands of articles that oppose your article,  and likely millions of articles that oppose your beliefs over the last 50 years.   

If you believed the healthy side,  you wouldn't be posting articles promoting the $5,000,000,000,000,000.00 costs nor the pandemic, shutdowns or masks. 

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9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I read an article on this topic and was wondering what you and others felt. People who smoke pay more for health insurance. Drivers with bad records have to pay more for car insurance. I have not made up my mind on this one yet. So, help me. Why should they not pay more?

Here is a paragraph from one article I read.

"Thus, the unvaccinated will drive up health care costs for everyone. Perhaps a better incentive for vaccination would be to place the unvaccinated in separate insurance risk pools or to impose a surcharge on their health insurance premiums."

https://signalscv.com/2021/06/jim-de-bree-unvaccinated-and-insurance-costs/

Should risk pools be allowed?

Again, you're over 80 and on Medicare...right? Do you think, after a lifetime of paying into the system that if you weren't vaccinated, you should pay more into the system??? People who pay into employer based health programs don't pay more for being diabetic, having cancer, etc... You're comparing apples and oranges again, and it's not becoming of you. Some can't be vaccinated on health related grounds. And most of them, even if they could be vaccinated, wouldn't be. So??? It's really not up to YOU, is it BB? It's not up to the Federal Government to violate it's own hippa laws either...at least not without amending those laws. An EO just won't cut it!

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16 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

You really need to be careful about the questions you ask!

I've met some or many others on the street and in businesses who go along with the fake pandemic - they do not know better (though they were given an opportunity to at some point in time, probably), 

and they trust the system, or their own family and friends (like all others in a nursing home going along, so who can take a stand for the Truth !   They are or think they would be opposed by everyone there then,  and they might be.   Everyone on some forums opposes Jesus every day,  they don't care what the questions are nor what the answers are - they are fully in the dark.  

When people like bb have no one they trust who tells the truth, when they have trusted the wrong people for decades without realizing or admitting it,   they are truly stuck between a rock and a hard place with nowhere to go,  no direction to turn.   

People who crucified our Lord and Savior, The Messiah Jesus,  "thought" they were doing God Almighty in Heaven a service.   A few found out otherwise and repented later,  but most did not ever repent.

Most people in the world never repent.   They cannot be trusted nor should they be trusted.

This includes the government and medical and financial and pharmacy crowds and those with them.

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New Report out says that 74% of people in Massachusetts Covid Outbreak FULLY IMMUNIZED!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated/ar-AAML78L?pc=U526&ocid=chromentpnews

So, @Bouncing Bill, since these people are being a drain on the system, I guess they need to pay more, right???

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5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

New Report out says that 74% of people in Massachusetts Covid Outbreak FULLY IMMUNIZED!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated/ar-AAML78L?pc=U526&ocid=chromentpnews

So, @Bouncing Bill, since these people are being a drain on the system, I guess they need to pay more, right???

Didn't Fauci just say the vaccinated can spread the virus now?

These people are flip-flopping more than a RINO looking for reelection.

 

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12 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

New Report out says that 74% of people in Massachusetts Covid Outbreak FULLY IMMUNIZED!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated/ar-AAML78L?pc=U526&ocid=chromentpnews

So, @Bouncing Bill, since these people are being a drain on the system, I guess they need to pay more, right???

How much money would have been saved ?  Millions of dollars ,  in Massachusetts,

if they had not spent money just on TESTING ALONE ?   Maybe billions ?  

The irony of the situation -  everyone,  EVERYONE who got vaccinated WAS INFECTEDby the shot .  (by something in the shot that made them sick,  still no proof a covd virus is the problem although something is a problem yes, and there is NO virus IN the fake vaccines) .

"They" in charge might actually know what is making people sick, especially if they caused it,

but will they ever tell ?   Not if it hurts their prophets..ooops profits.  They might sacrifice a scapegoat ,  but what else ?

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42 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

New Report out says that 74% of people in Massachusetts Covid Outbreak FULLY IMMUNIZED!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated/ar-AAML78L?pc=U526&ocid=chromentpnews

So, @Bouncing Bill, since these people are being a drain on the system, I guess they need to pay more, right???

How many of the vaccinated ended  up in the hospital va. how many unvaccinated ended up in a hospital in MA?

 

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1 minute ago, Bouncing Bill said:

How many of the vaccinated ended  up in the hospital va. how many unvaccinated ended up in a hospital in MA?

 

Really BB? Deflection again? Apples and oranges...apples and oranges.

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Despite "Delta" Alarmism, COVID deaths hit 16 month low and are still declining! 

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/despite-delta-alarmism-covid-19-deaths-hit-16-month-low?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=newsletter-FP&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=2021-07-30&ats_es=7f70d56ad21bdf6778abb977e31108c3

So, why is the MSM stirring the pot making this an "us vs. them" mentality? Because it is! It's those of us who can think for themselves and live without fear being fought against by those who wish to continue on in fear and live in uncertainty. It's not healthy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/vaccinated-americans-are-getting-angry-at-holdouts/ar-AAMIImn?pc=U526&ocid=chromentpnews

  I had one woman on MSN in response to a post I have there that she is more afraid of someone who's unvaccinated attacking her because she's vaccinated than she is of the virus. She got her vaccination in March. What a strange mentality these people have. The only people I know of threatening anyone are the people who are vaccinated threatening those of us who aren't.

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On 7/25/2021 at 1:04 AM, SureWord said:

Welp, I said this a while back. They'll start to vaccinate animals. This is happening in zoos all around the country. Next, it will be your pets.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/zoo-animal-covid-vaccine-trnd/index.html

I posted it from the CNN website so Bill will believe it.

 

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/

Thankfully, people, at least some of them who have been holdouts are waking up.

"They were unmoved by the urgings of President Biden to get vaccinated. They’ve spurned calls from the nation’s leading doctors, as well as from sports heroes and movie stars. But one thing is finally grabbing the attention of millions of unvaccinated Americans — the invasion of the hyper-contagious delta variant of the coronavirus.

In nearby Bella Vista, Ark., 25-year-old Chelsah Skaggs said she had been avoiding the shots, citing false reports that they might cause infertility.

But as the delta variant hit her area, she did her own research and became convinced she should get vaccinated. “Skepticism is a good thing,” she said. “But to be ignorant is a different issue. My only regret is not doing it sooner.” "
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7 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/vaccination-increases-states-delta-surges/

Thankfully, people, at least some of them who have been holdouts are waking up.

"They were unmoved by the urgings of President Biden to get vaccinated. They’ve spurned calls from the nation’s leading doctors, as well as from sports heroes and movie stars. But one thing is finally grabbing the attention of millions of unvaccinated Americans — the invasion of the hyper-contagious delta variant of the coronavirus.

In nearby Bella Vista, Ark., 25-year-old Chelsah Skaggs said she had been avoiding the shots, citing false reports that they might cause infertility.

But as the delta variant hit her area, she did her own research and became convinced she should get vaccinated. “Skepticism is a good thing,” she said. “But to be ignorant is a different issue. My only regret is not doing it sooner.” "

This is typical behaviour of people who live in fear and don't look at the fact of a 99.6% recovery rate. The is NO NEED for a vaccine...especially not one that is only approved for experimental use (using people as guinea pigs) and causing blood clots, heart and lung problems, etc.

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4 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

This is typical behaviour of people who live in fear and don't look at the fact of a 99.6% recovery rate. The is NO NEED for a vaccine...especially not one that is only approved for experimental use (using people as guinea pigs) and causing blood clots, heart and lung problems, etc.

Have you ever considered it is not fear but concern for others? 

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