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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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8 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

I get that-in the end, we really can't say, with certainty, what Heaven or even hell exactly are.

The one thing I would question in your statement, is, did Satan take the physical form of a serpent, or did he possess it, as we see legion was sent into a herd of swine? 

And just to thrown some good-natured and unnecessary fuel on the fire, is a serpent, a snake? There are many legged lizards that crawl on their bellies. Did the serpent LOSE its legs, or was it just pushed down into the dust? Or was this particular serpent of a kind that doesn't even exist anymore? Perhaps one of the animals we might consider a dinosaur by today's standards?  I throw this out there, just because I have always been fascinated by reptiles. And again, we really don't know for sure. 

Well, who was punished Satan or the Serpent? 🙂 

45 minutes ago, Alan said:

Brethren,

I belong to two internet Linux forums. On both of the forums there has been ongoing discussions on AI (Artificial Intelligence). AI is one of the technological advances that the Transhumanist hopes to be able to extend their life existence through the uploading of computer AI into their organic brains or, “Mind Uploading.”

Here is just one example of what is being discussed on these Linux forums. I will quote from an individual named ‘Enorbet,’

“There is literally zero evidence we were created by some higher being and what's more it is entirely possible, even quite likely, that AI will catch up and then exceed human intelligence. If it turns out to be true that some higher consciousness willfully created humans, there is also zero evidence we could ever catch up let alone exceed our creator(s). Some wise people even ponder whether or not it was a near certainty that given intelligence and reason, AI would be created and ultimately be either incorporated into a kind of bionic humans or complete absorption of organic forms, possibly eliminating organics altogether in time, not likely in The Terminator scenario but by choice.”1

This is the Wikipedia definition of ‘Mind Uploading.’

“Mind uploading, also known as whole brain emulation (WBE), is the hypothetical futuristic process of scanning a physical structure of the brain accurately enough to create an emulation of the mental state (including long-term memory and "self") and copying it to a computer in a digital form. The computer would then run a simulation of the brain's information processing, such that it would respond in essentially the same way as the original brain and experience having a sentient conscious mind.”2

The technological advances of AI computer software program creators have the hope of replacing the organic brain.

“Mind uploading may potentially be accomplished by either of two methods: copy-and-upload or copy-and-delete by gradual replacement of neurons (which can be considered as a gradual destructive uploading), until the original organic brain no longer exists and a computer program emulating the brain takes control over the body.”3

Mind-Uploading, through AI software programs, is one of the primary goals of the Futurists and the Transhumanist Movement.

“Among some futurists and within the part of transhumanist movement, mind uploading is treated as an important proposed life extension technology. Some believe mind uploading is humanity's current best option for preserving the identity of the species, as opposed to cryonics.”4

Hope the above information gives you a better understanding of ‘transhumanism’ according to the definition, and goals, of the transhumanist.

Alan

1Enorbet, Faith and Religion, (linuxquestions.org: Post #9044, Date Posted: 09.19.19, Accessed on: 11March 2021.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/the-faith-and-religion-mega-thread-

600689/page603.html#post6038117; Internet.

2Wikipedia, Mind Uploading, Accessed on: 11 March 21. Available on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading; Internet.

3Wikipedia, Mind Uploading, Accessed on: 11 March 21. Available on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading; Internet.

4Wikipedia, Mind Uploading, Accessed on: 11 March 21. Available on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading; Internet.

Yup. In my darker days I fantasized about this topic. I'd like to ask them this question.  Who is to say if AI does exist, it would ever be able to logically come to a conclusion we as "Humans"  exist? What if AI reproduced it's self and started to argue if "Humans" where made up information, as not all information is fact. How could it tell Harry Potter from real life? 

It would be a cat chasing it's old folk tale.

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On 3/8/2021 at 12:06 PM, Ukulelemike said:

No matter what we do to ourselves, we will always just be human-no matter the number of implants, microchips, or false limbs, no matter what we cut off, or sew on, we are what we are: humans, male and female, as created-all we can manage to do is mutilate and graffiti that which God has created, and one day, we will all stand before God and be judged for what we are: His creation, subject to His justice, like it or not.

Since I have a background in computer tech (IT) the first thought that came to my mind was, What happens after the human memories are loaded into the 'trans human' robot? It's just like the computer I'm using now. It has data loaded, it's just like the memory of a PC with no emotion, no love, no God, no future. The only part that could have emotion, love, and hope for eternity id dead. That is not life after death...it's an algorithm in a computer application. "Even so, come, Lord Jesus." [Revelation 22:20]

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

Brethren,

I belong to two internet Linux forums. On both of the forums there has been ongoing discussions on AI (Artificial Intelligence). AI is one of the technological advances that the Transhumanist hopes to be able to extend their life existence through the uploading of computer AI into their organic brains or, “Mind Uploading.”

Here is just one example of what is being discussed on these Linux forums. I will quote from an individual named ‘Enorbet,’

“There is literally zero evidence we were created by some higher being and what's more it is entirely possible, even quite likely, that AI will catch up and then exceed human intelligence. If it turns out to be true that some higher consciousness willfully created humans, there is also zero evidence we could ever catch up let alone exceed our creator(s). Some wise people even ponder whether or not it was a near certainty that given intelligence and reason, AI would be created and ultimately be either incorporated into a kind of bionic humans or complete absorption of organic forms, possibly eliminating organics altogether in time, not likely in The Terminator scenario but by choice.”1

This is the Wikipedia definition of ‘Mind Uploading.’

“Mind uploading, also known as whole brain emulation (WBE), is the hypothetical futuristic process of scanning a physical structure of the brain accurately enough to create an emulation of the mental state (including long-term memory and "self") and copying it to a computer in a digital form. The computer would then run a simulation of the brain's information processing, such that it would respond in essentially the same way as the original brain and experience having a sentient conscious mind.”2

The technological advances of AI computer software program creators have the hope of replacing the organic brain.

“Mind uploading may potentially be accomplished by either of two methods: copy-and-upload or copy-and-delete by gradual replacement of neurons (which can be considered as a gradual destructive uploading), until the original organic brain no longer exists and a computer program emulating the brain takes control over the body.”3

Mind-Uploading, through AI software programs, is one of the primary goals of the Futurists and the Transhumanist Movement.

“Among some futurists and within the part of transhumanist movement, mind uploading is treated as an important proposed life extension technology. Some believe mind uploading is humanity's current best option for preserving the identity of the species, as opposed to cryonics.”4

Hope the above information gives you a better understanding of ‘transhumanism’ according to the definition, and goals, of the transhumanist.

Alan

1Enorbet, Faith and Religion, (linuxquestions.org: Post #9044, Date Posted: 09.19.19, Accessed on: 11March 2021.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/the-faith-and-religion-mega-thread-

600689/page603.html#post6038117; Internet.

2Wikipedia, Mind Uploading, Accessed on: 11 March 21. Available on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading; Internet.

3Wikipedia, Mind Uploading, Accessed on: 11 March 21. Available on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading; Internet.

4Wikipedia, Mind Uploading, Accessed on: 11 March 21. Available on:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading; Internet.

Thanks Alan, I refer you to my comment to Mike. Algorithms and computer applications their is no love in the basic digital circuit it's 1 or 0, on or off, gang enough of them together and you can make a letter of the alphabet, etc. etc.

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As far as the other discussions weaving into the thread...

Look up all the references  to "sons of God" in context to see what/who they are. I believe you will find them not unlike the OT saints mentioned by name and more explicitly mentioned in the new in 1 John 3:1-2.

Heaven a physical place...shouldn't even be in this place...like that? But, the Bible describes things that will be/are in heaven and ultimately in the new heaven and new earth...physical description.

So, I suppose no one has a 'clients list' of all those vested in the transhumanism effort, particularly the politicians?

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4 hours ago, Alan said:

Brethren,

I belong to two internet Linux forums. On both of the forums there has been ongoing discussions on AI (Artificial Intelligence). AI is one of the technological advances that the Transhumanist hopes to be able to extend their life existence through the uploading of computer AI into their organic brains or, “Mind Uploading.”

Here is just one example of what is being discussed on these Linux forums. I will quote from an individual named ‘Enorbet,’

“There is literally zero evidence we were created by some higher being and what's more it is entirely possible, even quite likely, that AI will catch up and then exceed human intelligence. If it turns out to be true that some higher consciousness willfully created humans, there is also zero evidence we could ever catch up let alone exceed our creator(s). Some wise people even ponder whether or not it was a near certainty that given intelligence and reason, AI would be created and ultimately be either incorporated into a kind of bionic humans or complete absorption of organic forms, possibly eliminating organics altogether in time, not likely in The Terminator scenario but by choice.”1

 

Romans 1:22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

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16 hours ago, Alan said:

Brethren,

I belong to two internet Linux forums. On both of the forums there has been ongoing discussions on AI (Artificial Intelligence). AI is one of the technological advances that the Transhumanist hopes to be able to extend their life existence through the uploading of computer AI into their organic brains or, “Mind Uploading.”

Here is just one example of what is being discussed on these Linux forums. I will quote from an individual named ‘Enorbet,’

“There is literally zero evidence we were created by some higher being and what's more it is entirely possible, even quite likely, that AI will catch up and then exceed human intelligence. If it turns out to be true that some higher consciousness willfully created humans, there is also zero evidence we could ever catch up let alone exceed our creator(s). Some wise people even ponder whether or not it was a near certainty that given intelligence and reason, AI would be created and ultimately be either incorporated into a kind of bionic humans or complete absorption of organic forms, possibly eliminating organics altogether in time, not likely in The Terminator scenario but by choice.”1

 

In response to his statement in bold, does he understand where "AI" came from? Did it develop itself? Or just happen by accident of nature? Of course not, it was made my a human intelligence. And I don't see that it will ever exceed human intelligence, because we have not only intelligence, but wisdom, compassion, emotion, spirit, things that are not found in AI, so it cannot exceed us. Even if it could, that is because we, as humans, are weak and limited, and AI would be limited, regardless of its capacity to exceed, if possible, their 'creator'.   But the very fact that AI could ONLY exist because another intelligence programed it, makes clear that the human consciousness and intelligence, complete with emotion, self-realization, compassion, love, etc, as well as the capacity to CONTROL emotions and make them work FOR us, had to be created by another intelligence, a greater intelligence, with much greater capacity for those things associated with our weak minds. Just as AI has an intelligent source, so human actual intelligence needs an intelligent source to bring it about.

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From my observations on the Linux forums, a lot of these individuals involved in the development of AI fully understand that they 'create' AI. In fact, because they can  create AI, they are lifted up with pride.

Here are some of personal observations (which can be faulty), of studying, AI and Transhumanism:

In my observations, they, not all, are not the least concerned of the human emotions, such as;  wisdom, compassion, joy, etc... that a human being expresses on a daily basis. The transhumanists that I have listened to, and studied, have no moral inhibitions, or interest, in the moral, or the spirit, aspect of 'Mind Uploading.'

In my observations, these individuals are extremely intelligent when it comes  to technology. Numerous times, in numerous studies, and in posts on the internet computer forums, they are convinced that they can extend their brain functions through technology.

Furthermore, in my observations, which are limited, the creators of AI, as with the creators of cryonics, are primarily atheists and agnostics. In fact, most of them are openly, and most verbally, against all religions and have a deep hatred of the Bible and any church. Most of these individuals, not all, openly state that God, if there is a God is a hateful and vengeful "force" and that all religion, especially Christianity, is 'superstition.'

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5 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

In response to his statement in bold, does he understand where "AI" came from? Did it develop itself? Or just happen by accident of nature? Of course not, it was made my a human intelligence. And I don't see that it will ever exceed human intelligence, because we have not only intelligence, but wisdom, compassion, emotion, spirit, things that are not found in AI, so it cannot exceed us. Even if it could, that is because we, as humans, are weak and limited, and AI would be limited, regardless of its capacity to exceed, if possible, their 'creator'.   But the very fact that AI could ONLY exist because another intelligence programed it, makes clear that the human consciousness and intelligence, complete with emotion, self-realization, compassion, love, etc, as well as the capacity to CONTROL emotions and make them work FOR us, had to be created by another intelligence, a greater intelligence, with much greater capacity for those things associated with our weak minds. Just as AI has an intelligent source, so human actual intelligence needs an intelligent source to bring it about.

I'll quote it all. I like this argument against 'transhumanism' or/and 'ai'. I may even come back here and use it in discussions with others, with your permission of course. If you happen to hear or spot a list of transhumanists, in paticular, with U.S. politicians and/or the extremely rich. I would like to know who is behind the funding of their research both politically and/or monetarily.

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

From my observations on the Linux forums, a lot of these individuals involved in the development of AI fully understand that they 'create' AI. In fact, because they can  create AI, they are lifted up with pride.

Here are some of personal observations (which can be faulty), of studying, AI and Transhumanism:

In my observations, they, not all, are not the least concerned of the human emotions, such as;  wisdom, compassion, joy, etc... that a human being expresses on a daily basis. The transhumanists that I have listened to, and studied, have no moral inhibitions, or interest, in the moral, or the spirit, aspect of 'Mind Uploading.'

In my observations, these individuals are extremely intelligent when it comes  to technology. Numerous times, in numerous studies, and in posts on the internet computer forums, they are convinced that they can extend their brain functions through technology.

Furthermore, in my observations, which are limited, the creators of AI, as with the creators of cryonics, are primarily atheists and agnostics. In fact, most of them are openly, and most verbally, against all religions and have a deep hatred of the Bible and any church. Most of these individuals, not all, openly state that God, if there is a God is a hateful and vengeful "force" and that all religion, especially Christianity, is 'superstition.'

Alan, maybe these are just the developers or maybe just the adherents, not the financiers. Can you give names for these people or are theey using psuedonyms?

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They have a facebook page, a blog, a transhumanist party (political), constitution, and...

Christian Transhumanist Association
Using science & technology to participate in the work of God—
to cultivate life and renew creation.

They also have free transhumanism symbols with the symbol designer's names. There has to be money somewhere behind all this. This is beginning to get a kind of 'Musk-ie' smell to it.

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49 minutes ago, 1Timothy115 said:

They have a facebook page, a blog, a transhumanist party (political), constitution, and...

Christian Transhumanist Association
Using science & technology to participate in the work of God—
to cultivate life and renew creation.

They also have free transhumanism symbols with the symbol designer's names. There has to be money somewhere behind all this. This is beginning to get a kind of 'Musk-ie' smell to it.

Elon musk is a big supporter of it, and his wife, famous musician Grimes is almost certainly involved with the occult. 

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7 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Alan, maybe these are just the developers or maybe just the adherents, not the financiers. Can you give names for these people or are theey using psuedonyms?

The individuals that I am thinking of are using pseudonyms. Even though they are using pseudonyms I have read their (some of them), background, computers OS's they are familiar with (some list the different OS's they use), and noticed the material that they post, over several years, to know their knowledge of modern technology is expansive. Also, some are Systems Analysts and programmers and some work for major technological businesses in management and development. I do respect their computer programming and expertise.

 

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The individuals that I am thinking of are using pseudonyms. Even though they are using pseudonyms I have read their (some of them), background, computers OS's they are familiar with (some list the different OS's they use), and noticed the material that they post, over several years, to know their knowledge of modern technology is expansive. Also, some are Systems Analysts and programmers and some work for major technological businesses in management and development. I do respect their computer programming and expertise.

 

I thought that THIS might give a real time glimpse of the extent of this line of thought, as well as the hidden aspects regarding how people are manipulated. While this video is extremely informative, it is also quite disturbing. I am so glad that my God is still in charge and has told us to expect things of this nature as a sign of the Last Days. Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

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Thank you Jim.

The prophecy of Daniel 12:4, "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." 

Also, it is my thoughts, that 'transhumanism' is one of the evils of the last days.

Furthermore, as with the 'religious' world looking to  issues like 'transhumanism,' and other social issues, to change the world; we are entering the days of Noah and Lot.

 

 

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On 3/12/2021 at 10:49 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

I thought that THIS might give a real time glimpse of the extent of this line of thought, as well as the hidden aspects regarding how people are manipulated. While this video is extremely informative, it is also quite disturbing. I am so glad that my God is still in charge and has told us to expect things of this nature as a sign of the Last Days. Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Thanks Jim, I may have some folks I need to share The Social Dilemma with. I read a book which discussed some of those things, Christians in the Age of Outrage by Ed Stetzer.

Praise God for keeping us on His side of His Word. There may come a 'genius' from among the technocrats who will offer the lost a false eternal life, like a false profit possibly as described in Revelation 13. My pastor mentioned an explosion of technological advances toward the last days based on the scripture you quoted from Daniel. He also discussed advances that many if not most of us have observed in our lifetime and how the developments and discoveries are accelerating.

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