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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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30 minutes ago, SureWord said:

99% survival rate 69 and under (99.9 in children)

96.4 survival rate 69 and older. 

If you fill a nursing home or a respiratory rehabilitation facility for the elderly with Covid-19 patients most likely people will die. 

I am sure that is comforting to the 250,000+ families of people who have died. And, your reply is not on topic. Is it better to be six feet apart or six feet under?

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16 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Your reply is totally off the topic. 

Would you rather be 6 feet apart or 6 feet under?

I don't see his reply as off topic. Anyways, I guess with the situation that you are mentioning that no-one should leave the house ever since here is so much more danger out of the house than in it

Then again lots of people die in their own house... what am I to do make sure I don't die?

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44 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

I don't see his reply as off topic. Anyways, I guess with the situation that you are mentioning that no-one should leave the house ever since here is so much more danger out of the house than in it

Then again lots of people die in their own house... what am I to do make sure I don't die?

It was a simply question from the advice. Is it better to be 6 feet apart or 6 feet under. Seems a simply question to me.

Frankly, I would rather be 6, 12, 18 feet apart than 6 feet under. 

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Aw...but if it were my appointed time, to have my body 6 feet under is nothing compared to being present with my Saviour!  In the meantime, I shall do all I can to redeem the time desiring to glorify Him and to share the glory and grace of His gift of salvation with others.

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9 minutes ago, WellWithMySoul said:

Aw...but if it were my appointed time, to have my body 6 feet under is nothing compared to being present with my Saviour!  In the meantime, I shall do all I can to redeem the time desiring to glorify Him and to share the glory and grace of His gift of salvation with others.

Does that include distancing yourself from other so that you not only protect yourself, but also protect them? Just curious. 

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31 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

It was a simply question from the advice. Is it better to be 6 feet apart or 6 feet under. Seems a simply question to me.

Frankly, I would rather be 6, 12, 18 feet apart than 6 feet under. 

I don't see how 6' or 18' makes a difference. Does covid measure distance to find those to infect? I thought it was an airborne virus which means you can't walk in the same are area someone else did that was infected.

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Covid Statistics

 

Copyright © 2020 The Johns Hopkins University, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, and Johns Hopkins Health System.

Infections:

COVID-19: Approximately 1,997,321 cases worldwide; 609,685 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths:

COVID-19: Approximately 127,601 deaths reported worldwide; 26,059 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

Here are some other worldwide numbers to consider, as of 4/15/2020:

  • 3,750,391 people have died from other communicable diseases, in the first 4 months of 2020. The communicable disease number is nearly 136X the COVID-19 death toll for the US during the same period.
  • 140,517 deaths from seasonal flu;
  • 1,444,218 deaths from smoking;
  • 389,985 deaths from traffic accidents;
  • 2,372,725 deaths caused by cancer;
  • 309,803 deaths by suicide;  
  • 722,573 deaths from alcohol abuse.

None of the tragic numbers in the above statistics warranted the economic shutdown of our entire economy. Yet, these statistics are many times more than the COVID-19 death toll.

Dennis Linthicum
Oregon State Senate 28

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3 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Covid Statistics

 

Copyright © 2020 The Johns Hopkins University, The Johns Hopkins Hospital, and Johns Hopkins Health System.

Infections:

COVID-19: Approximately 1,997,321 cases worldwide; 609,685 cases in the U.S. as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.

Deaths:

COVID-19: Approximately 127,601 deaths reported worldwide; 26,059 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 15, 2020.*
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

Here are some other worldwide numbers to consider, as of 4/15/2020:

  • 3,750,391 people have died from other communicable diseases, in the first 4 months of 2020. The communicable disease number is nearly 136X the COVID-19 death toll for the US during the same period.
  • 140,517 deaths from seasonal flu;
  • 1,444,218 deaths from smoking;
  • 389,985 deaths from traffic accidents;
  • 2,372,725 deaths caused by cancer;
  • 309,803 deaths by suicide;  
  • 722,573 deaths from alcohol abuse.

None of the tragic numbers in the above statistics warranted the economic shutdown of our entire economy. Yet, these statistics are many times more than the COVID-19 death toll.

Dennis Linthicum
Oregon State Senate 28

Jim, I'm curious. Why post info. that is 7 months old? As of yesterday the CDC published the number of 11,843,480 cases in the USA. with deaths of 263,600. 

WHO reported there have been 57,882,183 cases in the world with 1,377,395 deaths as of Nov. 20, 2020.

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I posted it simply because I just found it. It was relevant at that time and the numbers are still relevant. They proved at that time that there were significantly more deaths from flu that Covid for that time period. That has not changed and no amount of hype or proven inaccurate testing can change it. 

And it is relevant now, months later, because the main point of that post was that there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world. Covid19 has a 99% recovery rate and the flu recovery rate pales by comparison.

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5 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I posted it simply because I just found it. It was relevant at that time and the numbers are still relevant. They proved at that time that there were significantly more deaths from flu that Covid for that time period. That has not changed and no amount of hype or proven inaccurate testing can change it. 

And it is relevant now, months later, because the main point of that post was that there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world. Covid19 has a 99% recovery rate and the flu recovery rate pales by comparison.

I figured you had a good reason to post the April numbers. Was just curious.

There are far more deaths this yes to Covid than to flu. We do have shots for flu, but some will not take them. That is their choice. A 99% recovery rate does not do much for the grief for the families and friends of the over 250,000 who have died. 

I do not agree that the first post indicates there has never been anything like Covid in the past. The Black Death that sweep through Europe comes to mind as well as the Spanish Flu in 1918 and 1919. I read a piece my mother wrote about that flu. She said there was a line of wagons running day and night taking bodies to the cemetery for burial. 

It is interesting, if you look into the history of the reactions to the pandemic of 1918 you discover they have the same opinions and discussions we are now having with this one.

All the OP was did was ask two simple questions. It was not a philosophical or political post IMYO.

 

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I did not say that there has never been anything like Covid in the past. I said that "there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world" I stand by it.

The  grief regarding the families who have lost loved ones is tragic, no one is insensitive to this. But the numbers that are supposedly attributed to Covid are faulty in that, many people who have died actually died from underlying existing health problems. Just because they had Covid markers when they died does not mean they died from Covid. 

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31 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

I did not say that there has never been anything like Covid in the past. I said that "there has never been anything in history that has ever warranted the shutdown of this country and even the world" I stand by it.

The  grief regarding the families who have lost loved ones is tragic, no one is insensitive to this. But the numbers that are supposedly attributed to Covid are faulty in that, many people who have died actually died from underlying existing health problems. Just because they had Covid markers when they died does not mean they died from Covid. 

You are probably correct in that countries have not been shut down before. That does not mean they should not be shut down now nor does it mean they should not have shutdown. I do not know enough to either condemn or praise the shutdown. IMHO there is not enough information available to determine if it was wise or foolish. Only history can help us make such a determination.

We will never know what would have happened if there had been no shutdown. We do know that the pandemic has spread rapidly as states opened up their economies. The Mayo Clinic published an interesting article on the long-term effects of COVID. To what extent should this influence government reactions. I don't know. We know a lot about the results of flu. We have little information the on the aftermath of COVID. It seems it is really hard on some people. To what extent does this make COVID an acceptable risk or not. I don't know. 

I hope no one on the board had to find out.

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11 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

You are probably correct in that countries have not been shut down before. That does not mean they should not be shut down now nor does it mean they should not have shutdown. I do not know enough to either condemn or praise the shutdown. IMHO there is not enough information available to determine if it was wise or foolish. Only history can help us make such a determination.

We will never know what would have happened if there had been no shutdown. We do know that the pandemic has spread rapidly as states opened up their economies. The Mayo Clinic published an interesting article on the long-term effects of COVID. To what extent should this influence government reactions. I don't know. We know a lot about the results of flu. We have little information the on the aftermath of COVID. It seems it is really hard on some people. To what extent does this make COVID an acceptable risk or not. I don't know. 

I hope no one on the board had to find out.

Bill, why don't you just get yourself a biohazard suit, oxygen tent and stay inside your home never leaving. You might catch a cold if you don't. 

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      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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