Bible Belt and the Pandemic. Not a smart response.

[SureWord]

There's two books you can pick up on Amazon called Unreported Truths About Covid-19 by Alex Berenson who was a former NYT reporter. Covers death counts, lockdowns, masks and vaccines, all the relevant info from the CDC, WHO, etc. buried by the MSM. 

His books were banned by Amazon but they unbanned them probably because the loss of revenue.

 

Edited April 25, 2021 by SureWord

[BrotherTony]

On 4/24/2021 at 8:38 PM, SureWord said:

There's two books you can pick up on Amazon called Unreported Truths About Covid-19 by Alex Berenson who was a former NYT reporter. Covers death counts, lockdowns, masks and vaccines, all the relevant info from the CDC, WHO, etc. buried by the MSM. 

His books were banned by Amazon but they unbanned them probably because the loss of revenue.

 

I've read SOME of the materials from these books. I have friends who purchased them. But, I don't spend a LOT of time reading books about C-19. I have too many relatives in the medical field, and I know too many doctors and pharmacists who never believed that this was a pandemic. I tend to agree with them just for the facts that the death rate that is allegedly FROM C-19 is greatly inflated and that the recovery rate from the "virus" is far too high for this to be considered a pandemic of any sort. The Health Care industry and many in the government tried to instill fear in people through the use of the MSM. This is a common tactic of the Socialists and Communists. It's part of the way they gained control in Russia in the early 1900s, the way that Hitler took Germany over and Mussolini gained control in Italy. People just don't want to learn from history. They'd rather repeat it.

[BrotherTony]

On 7/21/2020 at 10:32 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

You reply has nothing to do with the pastors who denied there is a problem and have died as well as spread the virus among their congregation. I call that a fatal mistake.

I know lots of people have died unnecessarily because of Trump and his administration totally bungling the response to Covid-19. Now of course on any  issue you can come up with an exception or mistake. But that does not change the truth. Trump first denied there was a virus. They he said it would go away. In the end we have the worst record in combating the virus than any  country in the world. We should let scientists and the medical workers fight the virus. Politicians should get out of the way and stop making it worse.

 

Seems to me that all you wanted was another chance to bash Trump and give Fauci and Biden a step up. How sad. The truth is, Trump was the one who started the research and development of the vaccines and Biden is taking credit for it, and you already know that. But, the man you worship (Biden) is bungling the response to the Wuhan Flu worse than Trump ever did. At least his administration didn't lie about HCQ working against the virus. Too bad that government health officials have stopped this information from being disseminated. They seem to hate anything that bears a simbalence of truth. Seems you do as well. Again..sad.

[Bouncing Bill]

49 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Seems to me that all you wanted was another chance to bash Trump and give Fauci and Biden a step up. How sad. The truth is, Trump was the one who started the research and development of the vaccines and Biden is taking credit for it, and you already know that. But, the man you worship (Biden) is bungling the response to the Wuhan Flu worse than Trump ever did. At least his administration didn't lie about HCQ working against the virus. Too bad that government health officials have stopped this information from being disseminated. They seem to hate anything that bears a simbalence of truth. Seems you do as well. Again..sad.

I trust Fauci much more than Trump and his yea sayers. 

Yes the vaccine research began under Trump. Well he, or any president should have done so. 

If the government is suppressing information, how is it that you know about it? Just curious.

How is Biden bungling the response to COVID. Are not the number of cases and deaths down?

 

 

[BrotherTony]

2 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I trust Fauci much more than Trump and his yea sayers. 

Yes the vaccine research began under Trump. Well he, or any president should have done so. 

If the government is suppressing information, how is it that you know about it? Just curious.

How is Biden bungling the response to COVID. Are not the number of cases and deaths down?

 

 

Again, you're being intentionally ignorant of what is going on...but, from your responses since I've known you on this forum, that seems to be the case. It was easy to find the truth concerning the suppression of the information about things that would help people fight the Wuhan Flu. When people were fighting the virus with HCQ and natural medicines, the liberal media and Fauci automatically went on the attack. Some people, thankfully, had stockpiled the necessary items and continued to give them out or prescribe them for their patients. Of course the prescriptions were blocked. So, many of the doctors and nurse practitioners gave the needed items away at costs or free, imperiling their futures in their chosen profession. Most, of course, drank the government Kool-Aid. 

Biden's response to the "plandemic" has been atrocious...I've posted articles proving how he's had to try and HARD SELL his program to get people vaccinated. People have their own minds and their own wills, and they should be able to make their own choices without the government going door to door to try and sell their propoganda. Strange that over 40% of American's don't believe Fauci or the government hacks. Strange that you do...but, you're a supporter of leftist ideals. Sad...very sad.

9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I trust Fauci much more than Trump and his yea sayers. 

Yes the vaccine research began under Trump. Well he, or any president should have done so. 

If the government is suppressing information, how is it that you know about it? Just curious.

How is Biden bungling the response to COVID. Are not the number of cases and deaths down?

 

 

Again, you're being intentionally ignorant of what is going on...but, from your responses since I've known you on this forum, that seems to be the case. It was easy to find the truth concerning the suppression of the information about things that would help people fight the Wuhan Flu. When people were fighting the virus with HCQ and natural medicines, the liberal media and Fauci automatically went on the attack. Some people, thankfully, had stockpiled the necessary items and continued to give them out or prescribe them for their patients. Of course the prescriptions were blocked. So, many of the doctors and nurse practitioners gave the needed items away at costs or free, imperiling their futures in their chosen profession. Most, of course, drank the government Kool-Aid. 

Biden's response to the "plandemic" has been atrocious...I've posted articles proving how he's had to try and HARD SELL his program to get people vaccinated. People have their own minds and their own wills, and they should be able to make their own choices without the government going door to door to try and sell their propoganda. Strange that over 40% of American's don't believe Fauci or the government hacks. Strange that you do...but, you're a supporter of leftist ideals. Sad...very sad.

One other thing, BB, it's not just in the Bible Belt. This is going on all over the United States. But, there are many in the Bible Belt who won't submit themselves to the government idiocy because they can think for themselves. Thank the good Lord for that! They put their trust in God more than in the government and it's lies.

[Bouncing Bill]

HCQ didn't work. That is why people were against it. Brazil has paid a terrible price in sickness and death because their president, Jair Bolsonaro, pushed for its use. Thousands have died as a result. Everything that Brazil has done should not be done. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57733540

Have you gotten your COVID shot? 

[BrotherTony]

On 7/12/2021 at 7:40 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

HCQ didn't work. That is why people were against it. Brazil has paid a terrible price in sickness and death because their president, Jair Bolsonaro, pushed for its use. Thousands have died as a result. Everything that Brazil has done should not be done. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57733540

Have you gotten your COVID shot? 

This article doesn't say anything about HCQ, Bouncing Bill. And yes, HCQ does work. The only people who say it doesn't are the left-winged, Kool-Aid drinking, MSM and government figures. And NO...I have declined the "jab!" I will continue to do so even with family members having the virus. Only my birth father's family and one little brother on my adoptive side of the family have been vaccinated. My family has, for the most part, declined the imaginary, experimental vaccine. 

[Bouncing Bill]

What are your sources for you view on this?

Here are some of mine. I can give you many more.

On HCQ:

• Hydroxychloroquine does not reduce deaths from COVID-19, and probably does not reduce the number of people needing mechanical ventilation.
• Hydroxychloroquine caused more unwanted effects than a placebo treatment, though it did not appear to increase the number of serious unwanted effects.
• The authors do not think new studies of hydroxychloroquine should be started for treatment of COVID-19.
• https://www.cochrane.org/news/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-useful-treating-people-covid-19-or-preventing-infection

 

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[BrotherTony]

9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What are your sources for you view on this?

Here are some of mine. I can give you many more.

On HCQ:

• Hydroxychloroquine does not reduce deaths from COVID-19, and probably does not reduce the number of people needing mechanical ventilation.
• Hydroxychloroquine caused more unwanted effects than a placebo treatment, though it did not appear to increase the number of serious unwanted effects.
• The authors do not think new studies of hydroxychloroquine should be started for treatment of COVID-19.
• https://www.cochrane.org/news/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-useful-treating-people-covid-19-or-preventing-infection

Can the use of hydroxychloroquine prevent coronavirus (COVID-19)?

Answer: No. There is no evidence that taking hydroxychloroquine is effective in preventing a person from contracting the coronavirus or developing COVID-19, so people who are not already taking this medication do not need to start it now. People with lupus should follow the guidance of their doctor and the safety guidelines being issued by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for people with compromised immune systems.

https://www.lupus.org/resources/hydroxychloroquine-plaquenil-coronavirus-covid19-questions-answers

 

BACKGROUND

Current strategies for preventing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection are limited to nonpharmacologic interventions. Hydroxychloroquine has been proposed as a postexposure therapy to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19), but definitive evidence is lacking.

METHODS

We conducted an open-label, cluster-randomized trial involving asymptomatic contacts of patients with polymerase-chain-reaction (PCR)–confirmed Covid-19 in Catalonia, Spain. We randomly assigned clusters of contacts to the hydroxychloroquine group (which received the drug at a dose of 800 mg once, followed by 400 mg daily for 6 days) or to the usual-care group (which received no specific therapy). The primary outcome was PCR-confirmed, symptomatic Covid-19 within 14 days. The secondary outcome was SARS-CoV-2 infection, defined by symptoms compatible with Covid-19 or a positive PCR test regardless of symptoms. Adverse events were assessed for up to 28 days.

RESULTS

The analysis included 2314 healthy contacts of 672 index case patients with Covid-19 who were identified between March 17 and April 28, 2020. A total of 1116 contacts were randomly assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine and 1198 to receive usual care. Results were similar in the hydroxychloroquine and usual-care groups with respect to the incidence of PCR-confirmed, symptomatic Covid-19 (5.7% and 6.2%, respectively; risk ratio, 0.86 [95% confidence interval, 0.52 to 1.42]). In addition, hydroxychloroquine was not associated with a lower incidence of SARS-CoV-2 transmission than usual care (18.7% and 17.8%, respectively). The incidence of adverse events was higher in the hydroxychloroquine group than in the usual-care group (56.1% vs. 5.9%), but no treatment-related serious adverse events were reported.

CONCLUSIONS

Postexposure therapy with hydroxychloroquine did not prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection or symptomatic Covid-19 in healthy persons exposed to a PCR-positive case patient.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2021801

You're posting long sections of sources again, and you've been asked by PastorMatt not to do so. Anyhow, one of my sources is this...all your liberal sites just don't cut it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/

Apparently you love the liberals. I can live with that. But, I won't let you overrun everyone with liberal diatribes and apologetics. Besides, you're taking this, your own thread off course, which you seem to have a tendency to do. 

[John Young]

hydroxychloroquine by itself is not effective but as part of a drug regimen in in certain therapies has been effective a reducing symptoms of the infection so that people don't die from it.

The same health system that did the trials for the vaccine here in Michigan showed that certain drug therapies were helpful but that Vaccines are the preferred rout because the pills required hospitalization and Doctors care while a vaccine does not.

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

(By the way Pfizer will be coming out with a pill which can be taken at home that kills the virus for those already infected but it will be out only after the long term trials are done. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-initiates-phase-1-study-novel-oral-antiviral)

Edited July 13, 2021 by John Young

[Bouncing Bill]

43 minutes ago, John Young said:

hydroxychloroquine by itself is not effective but as part of a drug regimen in in certain therapies has been effective a reducing symptoms of the infection so that people don't die from it.

The same health system that did the trials for the vaccine here in Michigan showed that certain drug therapies were helpful but that Vaccines are the preferred rout because the pills required hospitalization and Doctors care while a vaccine does not. (By the way Pfizer will be coming out with a pill which can be taken at home that kills the virus for those already infected but it will be out only after the long term trials are done.)

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Thanks for the interesting post and thanks for the referenced web site.

[Bouncing Bill]

1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

You're posting long sections of sources again, and you've been asked by PastorMatt not to do so. Anyhow, one of my sources is this...all your liberal sites just don't cut it.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33042552/

Apparently you love the liberals. I can live with that. But, I won't let you overrun everyone with liberal diatribes and apologetics. Besides, you're taking this, your own thread off course, which you seem to have a tendency to do. 

When you resort to calling names it shows you know you are wrong. 

[BrotherTony]

41 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

When you resort to calling names it shows you know you are wrong. 

I never called you a name. It's sad that you have to resort to lying about people. You are henceforth blocked. Good bye.

[Bouncing Bill]

11 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I never called you a name. It's sad that you have to resort to lying about people. You are henceforth blocked. Good bye.

Of course you did. You use the name "Liberal" all the time and in a negative way. I put it down to your youth and inability to discuss calmly and rationally. 

 

 

[BrotherTony]

21 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Of course you did. You use the name "Liberal" all the time and in a negative way. I put it down to your youth and inability to discuss calmly and rationally. 

 

 

You're being dishonest, BB, and that shows that you have no integrity in you at all. Please, pray tell, show me EXACTLY where I have called you directly ANY name...period! You cannot. That's not good. You're old enough to know better. False accusations are unscriptural, and you should be asking the Lord for forgiveness for bearing false witness. As for being calm and rational...I always am. I'm not easily flustered. I've faced far worse than you in my day. YOUTH??? Don't make me laugh! In my sixty years of life I've never been older! LOL

 

Edited July 13, 2021 by BrotherTony