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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Bible Belt and the Pandemic. Not a smart response.


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Dozens of pastors across the Bible Belt have succumbed to coronavirus after churches and televangelists played down the pandemic and actively encouraged churchgoers to flout self-distancing guidelines.

As many as 30 church leaders from the nation's largest African American Pentecostal denomination have now been confirmed to have died in the outbreak, as members defied public health warnings to avoid large gatherings to prevent transmitting the virus.

 

Deaths across the US in areas where the Church of God in Christ has a presence have reportedly stemmed from funerals and other meetings among clergy and other church staff held during the pandemic.

 
 

The tragedy among one of the largest black Pentecostal groups follows a message of defiance from many American churches, particularly conservative Christian groups, to ignore state and local government mandates against group gatherings, with police increasingly called in to enforce the bans and hold preachers accountable.

 

The virus has had a wildly disproportionate impact among black congregations, many of which have relied on group worship.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bible-belt-us-coronavirus-pandemic-pastors-church-a9481226.html?fbclid=IwAR3h8RJ5yXHeonv5dIi2QW5gbVPwYxc-BNEgjdW15TZDap63t30Lip4LPOw

 

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Was one of them killed in a motorcycle accident because of Covid? 

Don't you understand they are putting Corona Virus on all the death certificates because the hospitals get more federal funding because of this?

And if what you posted is true NOBODY believes the media anymore because of the incessant lying they do and the hypocrisy of politicians who don't follow their own edicts and made excuses for the riots.

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16 hours ago, SureWord said:

Was one of them killed in a motorcycle accident because of Covid? 

Don't you understand they are putting Corona Virus on all the death certificates because the hospitals get more federal funding because of this?

And if what you posted is true NOBODY believes the media anymore because of the incessant lying they do and the hypocrisy of politicians who don't follow their own edicts and made excuses for the riots.

You reply has nothing to do with the pastors who denied there is a problem and have died as well as spread the virus among their congregation. I call that a fatal mistake.

I know lots of people have died unnecessarily because of Trump and his administration totally bungling the response to Covid-19. Now of course on any  issue you can come up with an exception or mistake. But that does not change the truth. Trump first denied there was a virus. They he said it would go away. In the end we have the worst record in combating the virus than any  country in the world. We should let scientists and the medical workers fight the virus. Politicians should get out of the way and stop making it worse.

 

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Why not find out what a few other countries did without shutting down,

and even better, what did the groups who did not die do during the previous (last 200 or more years) epidemics or plagues ?

Stopping a virus was shown around 1940-1960 by Linus Pauling, for one, and was not difficult.  duckduckgo search <virus, european clinics, vitamin>  yields amazing results covering such past pandemics and virus and bacterial events.

And how to effectively deal with them,  without masks, without drugs, without panic - simple effective "same old ways" as they used long ago.. (when they knew what to do)   which is now verboten/censored/ not seen on tv in usa....

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On 7/30/2020 at 6:02 AM, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

Why not find out what a few other countries did without shutting down,

and even better, what did the groups who did not die do during the previous (last 200 or more years) epidemics or plagues ?

Stopping a virus was shown around 1940-1960 by Linus Pauling, for one, and was not difficult.  duckduckgo search <virus, european clinics, vitamin>  yields amazing results covering such past pandemics and virus and bacterial events.

And how to effectively deal with them,  without masks, without drugs, without panic - simple effective "same old ways" as they used long ago.. (when they knew what to do)   which is now verboten/censored/ not seen on tv in usa....

And millions died.

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You don't stop viruses. Especially one that has mutated as much as this one (33 last count, a Nobel Prize winning viriologist from France, the guy who discovered the HIV virus, thinks the virus contains RNA from the HIV virus and it may have been an attempt to find a vaccine for HIV and it got out of the lab). They run their course and we develop immunity. It's a fact of life. I had the Russian flu (it's third time around in 80 years) when I was a child and it nearly fried my brain. Millions died from that virus but a whole nation's economy wasn't destroyed because of it.  Locking down life is not the way to handle it. And purposely putting sick patients into nursing homes is definitely not the way to handle. 

Anyway, we all know that the virus will miraculously go away if Biden wins and if Trump wins again the riots will cure it.

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A lot of news/ media/ science/ governments/ under control of pharmakeia have published endless body counts - how many died, in each city, country, hospital, from what (what they say),   etc etc etc ....

 

So ?

 

Death is not new.

 

Dying needlessly is not new.

 

Years ago I read the end of the BOOK.....   billions die.   Billions refuse to stop serving (worshiping) demons.    It's not a "pretty picture", is it ?

 

A few survive.  A few are saved.  Maybe millions,  maybe even a billion ? .....

With no worry.  No anxiety.  No fear of death at all. - ready any time to go.

A few know what to do (it has been this way since Moses and the Israelites were slaves in Egypt,  and likely before then) ....

 

So , then, what ?   Believe the system that is corrupt ?

 

Or believe God ?   Trust God ?   YES! HE IS FAITHFUL and TRUE!

Jesus was sent to heal, to save, those who were lost. 

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On 7/20/2020 at 6:04 PM, SureWord said:

Was one of them killed in a motorcycle accident because of Covid? 

Don't you understand they are putting Corona Virus on all the death certificates because the hospitals get more federal funding because of this?

And if what you posted is true NOBODY believes the media anymore because of the incessant lying they do and the hypocrisy of politicians who don't follow their own edicts and made excuses for the riots.

This was found to be true here in the Nashville area. Someone was hit by a car and killed near Nashville, and one of the things listed as "cause of death" was the coronavirus. It was horrifying to my wife and me. We also have heard of others who have had family members dying of cancer or a heart attack who have gotten the death certificate stating that the coronavirus is a contributing cause. They are threatening legal action against the county coroner, the doctor and the hospital for allowing this lie to go unchecked. 

I know here in the Middle Tennessee area, many people refused to wear masks and many didn't go along with the "social distancing" guidelines set forth by each county. I have to say that after the first few weeks and seeing all the evidence to the contrary of what Fauci and others were telling us, I threw away my mask. I found that when my wife and I went grocery shopping that many of the stores employees weren't even complying by wearing their mask correctly, and I pointed it out to their manager. He was upset because I wasn't wearing a mask, but he wasn't even wearing HIS mask correctly. I took pictures and sent them to corporate headquarters for the store. I also sent a text saying that I DID NOT wear a mask inside the store, nor would I. If they wanted to escort me out, they could. But, if they did, our business would go elsewhere. 

Now, I say all that to say this, we have had MANY family members who have had the virus, and all but one recovered. But, the one who didn't recover had been released from the VA in Columbus, OH as clear of the virus, and had two heart attacks two days after he was released and sent home. He had been on a ventilator for a couple of weeks in the VA, but had apparently recovered from the virus. When he was readmitted to the hospital for the region instead of the VA hospital, he was said to have the coronavirus again. I don't see how he could have had it again after being cleared by the VA hospital. They say you can't get it again that quickly. So, either the government has been lying to us all along and have proven that this is about the transfer of wealth and testing the limits of how much power they have over people, or the "pandemic" is true and we're at risk. The recovery rate is much too high for this to be named as a true "pandemic."  People die all the time from the flu, pneumonia, etc. I've tried not to be political about this, but, it boils down to the fact that things like this happened right before or around the time of the Russian Revolution, during or around the time that Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany, etc. There's a pattern there, and I'm on who learns better from history than one who trust the government. If they want to be honest, then I will relent. Until then, I can't. I don't feel that there's proof enough to follow those mandates. Most of the police I know won't arrest people for not following the mandates because they know that this is nothing more than a transfer of wealth and power, denigrating the Mom and Pop stores, forcing many out of work and into dependence upon the government for help, and a chance for the government to destroy the centers of worship. Of course, this is my humble opinion, but, I'm still alive, and I've been exposed MANY times, especially since my wife is a front-line worker in logistics. She hasn't gotten it either, though she's been exposed hundreds of times. I can tell you that I won't debate the cause, but I have to say that I will put my faith in God almighty over the word of our government any day.

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3 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Now, I say all that to say this, we have had MANY family members who have had the virus, and all but one recovered.

I thnk someone told them that they had a virus.  However,  after

Watching for over a year,  looking for anyone, anywhere, any doctor,  any scientists,  any virologist,

to show by laboratory proof (medical proof without fraud or quessing)

that they had any virus at all.   Three times this year alone , on Seniorsonly Club,

the CDC published that NO ONE in the world has proven it is a virus causing any disease.   (and if anyone could, if anyone had the resources,  they sure would seem to be the ones to prove it or find it somewhere).

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I thnk someone told them that they had a virus.  However,  after

Watching for over a year,  looking for anyone, anywhere, any doctor,  any scientists,  any virologist,

to show by laboratory proof (medical proof without fraud or quessing)

that they had any virus at all.   Three times this year alone , on Seniorsonly Club,

the CDC published that NO ONE in the world has proven it is a virus causing any disease.   (and if anyone could, if anyone had the resources,  they sure would seem to be the ones to prove it or find it somewhere).

I've got several nieces who are nurses, and a nephew=in-law as well. Two of the nieces who are nurses have had "the virus," but one doctor I know says that it's not a virus at all, but a bacteria that is in the lungs. He used to work for Mayo and did his internship at John Hopkins years ago, and he says that the information that he tried to put out was blocked by the CDC and the NIH, and WHO wasn't too happy with him either. He know several Italian doctors who stopped treating it as a virus and they had their patients recover within 48-72 hours instead of weeks. They still have some residual affects, but they're doing much better than those who have been treated for this as a virus. I'm weighing all the evidence, but I won't post which one I believe it is here. My wife and I believe we had it back in Dec 2019. We had bloodwork done, and the doctors couldn't really describe what they saw. They told us that it wasn't the flu, pneumonia or anything they knew of. They put us on antibiotics and we both were sick for about three weeks (thankfully my wife was off those three weeks for vacation) and recovered well. I know my BIL was just released yesterday from the Order of St. Francis hospital in Peoria, IL and they said he had "Covid Pneumonia"  and that he might need to be on oxygen for a while. He' seems to be doing fine without it. Antibiotics and aspirin.  I hate talking about this thing, but it keeps people in fear, and I hate to see people in fear. Everyone has a set time to die, and they're not going to go before their time unless the Lord decides otherwise.

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It's always been known,  never a true secret.   I learned about it while working in pharmacies in four hospitals decades ago.   Doctors knew.  Pharmacists knew.

Interns knew.  Nurses knew (and helped the most people directing them out of the hospitals to real health providers.) .

Most people don't care.  They refuse - they don't want to know.  It costs too much and 'hurts' too much. (to admit the truth).

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16 hours ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

It's always been known,  never a true secret.   I learned about it while working in pharmacies in four hospitals decades ago.   Doctors knew.  Pharmacists knew.

Interns knew.  Nurses knew (and helped the most people directing them out of the hospitals to real health providers.) .

Most people don't care.  They refuse - they don't want to know.  It costs too much and 'hurts' too much. (to admit the truth).

I was thankful for our pharmacist. He told us straight off after we had been ill that he thought that it was a bacteria, not a virus. They kept saying to take penicillin in the doctors office, but I'm allergic to it, so I had to take another kind of antibiotic. It's a LOT slower working, but it did the trick. They wanted both my wife and I to get the flu shot at the doctors office, but we both declined to do so. We've had several friends who have passed away from Guilliume-Barr Syndrome (sp), and my sister was paralyzed for eight weeks and nearly died from her shot. She had to spend another eight weeks in a local recovery center. They made sure that she had enough strength to walk again and keep herself upright. I'm definitely not going through that. 

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On 7/21/2020 at 11:32 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

We should let scientists and the medical workers fight the virus. Politicians should get out of the way and stop making it worse.

Bill, did you come up with this on your own or did the same medical and techno-medical-politicians advise you that advised President Trump on what actions to take?

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The Lord has been good to me and I have decided after many months (actually since I had a mild virus in Dec. 2019) of observation and attention to outcomes that I will no longer wear the mask and will not consider having the covid-19 vaccine. I'm not tempting the Lord, I praise Him for the health and life I've had to date. I will praise Him eternally if He takes me home tonight.

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There's two books you can pick up on Amazon called Unreported Truths About Covid-19 by Alex Berenson who was a former NYT reporter. Covers death counts, lockdowns, masks and vaccines, all the relevant info from the CDC, WHO, etc. buried by the MSM. 

His books were banned by Amazon but they unbanned them probably because the loss of revenue.

 

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On 4/24/2021 at 8:38 PM, SureWord said:

There's two books you can pick up on Amazon called Unreported Truths About Covid-19 by Alex Berenson who was a former NYT reporter. Covers death counts, lockdowns, masks and vaccines, all the relevant info from the CDC, WHO, etc. buried by the MSM. 

His books were banned by Amazon but they unbanned them probably because the loss of revenue.

 

I've read SOME of the materials from these books. I have friends who purchased them. But, I don't spend a LOT of time reading books about C-19. I have too many relatives in the medical field, and I know too many doctors and pharmacists who never believed that this was a pandemic. I tend to agree with them just for the facts that the death rate that is allegedly FROM C-19 is greatly inflated and that the recovery rate from the "virus" is far too high for this to be considered a pandemic of any sort. The Health Care industry and many in the government tried to instill fear in people through the use of the MSM. This is a common tactic of the Socialists and Communists. It's part of the way they gained control in Russia in the early 1900s, the way that Hitler took Germany over and Mussolini gained control in Italy. People just don't want to learn from history. They'd rather repeat it.

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On 7/21/2020 at 10:32 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

You reply has nothing to do with the pastors who denied there is a problem and have died as well as spread the virus among their congregation. I call that a fatal mistake.

I know lots of people have died unnecessarily because of Trump and his administration totally bungling the response to Covid-19. Now of course on any  issue you can come up with an exception or mistake. But that does not change the truth. Trump first denied there was a virus. They he said it would go away. In the end we have the worst record in combating the virus than any  country in the world. We should let scientists and the medical workers fight the virus. Politicians should get out of the way and stop making it worse.

 

Seems to me that all you wanted was another chance to bash Trump and give Fauci and Biden a step up. How sad. The truth is, Trump was the one who started the research and development of the vaccines and Biden is taking credit for it, and you already know that. But, the man you worship (Biden) is bungling the response to the Wuhan Flu worse than Trump ever did. At least his administration didn't lie about HCQ working against the virus. Too bad that government health officials have stopped this information from being disseminated. They seem to hate anything that bears a simbalence of truth. Seems you do as well. Again..sad.

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Seems to me that all you wanted was another chance to bash Trump and give Fauci and Biden a step up. How sad. The truth is, Trump was the one who started the research and development of the vaccines and Biden is taking credit for it, and you already know that. But, the man you worship (Biden) is bungling the response to the Wuhan Flu worse than Trump ever did. At least his administration didn't lie about HCQ working against the virus. Too bad that government health officials have stopped this information from being disseminated. They seem to hate anything that bears a simbalence of truth. Seems you do as well. Again..sad.

I trust Fauci much more than Trump and his yea sayers. 

Yes the vaccine research began under Trump. Well he, or any president should have done so. 

If the government is suppressing information, how is it that you know about it? Just curious.

How is Biden bungling the response to COVID. Are not the number of cases and deaths down?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I trust Fauci much more than Trump and his yea sayers. 

Yes the vaccine research began under Trump. Well he, or any president should have done so. 

If the government is suppressing information, how is it that you know about it? Just curious.

How is Biden bungling the response to COVID. Are not the number of cases and deaths down?

 

 

Again, you're being intentionally ignorant of what is going on...but, from your responses since I've known you on this forum, that seems to be the case. It was easy to find the truth concerning the suppression of the information about things that would help people fight the Wuhan Flu. When people were fighting the virus with HCQ and natural medicines, the liberal media and Fauci automatically went on the attack. Some people, thankfully, had stockpiled the necessary items and continued to give them out or prescribe them for their patients. Of course the prescriptions were blocked. So, many of the doctors and nurse practitioners gave the needed items away at costs or free, imperiling their futures in their chosen profession. Most, of course, drank the government Kool-Aid. 

Biden's response to the "plandemic" has been atrocious...I've posted articles proving how he's had to try and HARD SELL his program to get people vaccinated. People have their own minds and their own wills, and they should be able to make their own choices without the government going door to door to try and sell their propoganda. Strange that over 40% of American's don't believe Fauci or the government hacks. Strange that you do...but, you're a supporter of leftist ideals. Sad...very sad.

9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I trust Fauci much more than Trump and his yea sayers. 

Yes the vaccine research began under Trump. Well he, or any president should have done so. 

If the government is suppressing information, how is it that you know about it? Just curious.

How is Biden bungling the response to COVID. Are not the number of cases and deaths down?

 

 

Again, you're being intentionally ignorant of what is going on...but, from your responses since I've known you on this forum, that seems to be the case. It was easy to find the truth concerning the suppression of the information about things that would help people fight the Wuhan Flu. When people were fighting the virus with HCQ and natural medicines, the liberal media and Fauci automatically went on the attack. Some people, thankfully, had stockpiled the necessary items and continued to give them out or prescribe them for their patients. Of course the prescriptions were blocked. So, many of the doctors and nurse practitioners gave the needed items away at costs or free, imperiling their futures in their chosen profession. Most, of course, drank the government Kool-Aid. 

Biden's response to the "plandemic" has been atrocious...I've posted articles proving how he's had to try and HARD SELL his program to get people vaccinated. People have their own minds and their own wills, and they should be able to make their own choices without the government going door to door to try and sell their propoganda. Strange that over 40% of American's don't believe Fauci or the government hacks. Strange that you do...but, you're a supporter of leftist ideals. Sad...very sad.

One other thing, BB, it's not just in the Bible Belt. This is going on all over the United States. But, there are many in the Bible Belt who won't submit themselves to the government idiocy because they can think for themselves. Thank the good Lord for that! They put their trust in God more than in the government and it's lies.

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