Members DaveW Posted March 4, 2020 Members Share Posted March 4, 2020 What are people's thoughts over separating from fellowship with someone over doctrinal matters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John Young Posted March 4, 2020 Members Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) As independents we should already be separated. The better question should be, "With whom will I fellowship?". A person's doctrine, practices, and location does not determine my separation but it does determine my level of fellowship. Edited March 4, 2020 by John Young 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jim_Alaska Posted March 4, 2020 Administrators Share Posted March 4, 2020 I think a lot would depend on the level or differences in doctrinal matters. In other words some doctrinal matters are of more importance than others. For that reason it is hard for me to consider this a blanket question unless specific doctrines are brought into the question. James1023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted March 4, 2020 Author Members Share Posted March 4, 2020 Exactly the point - what is "big enough" for you to stop fellowshipping with someone? Or is the whole concept wrong? Just a topic for discussion...….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pastor Scott Markle Posted March 4, 2020 Members Share Posted March 4, 2020 8 hours ago, DaveW said: What are people's thoughts over separating from fellowship with someone over doctrinal matters? I certainly do it with regularity (and that over MORE than just doctrines which directly pertain to the gospel). Alan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaChaser Posted March 28, 2020 Members Share Posted March 28, 2020 On 3/4/2020 at 1:14 AM, DaveW said: What are people's thoughts over separating from fellowship with someone over doctrinal matters? I would have to ask what are we dividing over though? As I have Christian friends eho hold to various views on Eschatology, some are Reformed, some Baptist, some Dispy some holding to Covenant theology! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted March 29, 2020 Members Share Posted March 29, 2020 10 hours ago, DaChaser said: I would have to ask what are we dividing over though? As I have Christian friends eho hold to various views on Eschatology, some are Reformed, some Baptist, some Dispy some holding to Covenant theology! They are all interpretations not doctrine, althoughmany think they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted March 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Invicta said: They are all interpretations not doctrine, althoughmany think they are. When dealing with the difference between 'God sovereignly decided, before the foundations of time, who would be saved and who would go to hell', and then commands them ALL to be saved or go to hell' as opposed to 'whosoever will', THAT is doctrine-in fact, it covers a few doctrines, like the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ, whether man has free will to choose to follow or reject, and such. That is doctrine. Â MatthewDiscipleOfGod and Jim_Alaska 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted March 29, 2020 Members Share Posted March 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ukulelemike said: When dealing with the difference between 'God sovereignly decided, before the foundations of time, who would be saved and who would go to hell', and then commands them ALL to be saved or go to hell' as opposed to 'whosoever will', THAT is doctrine-in fact, it covers a few doctrines, like the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ, whether man has free will to choose to follow or reject, and such. That is doctrine. Â Yes I agree with you. Ukulelemike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaChaser Posted May 15, 2020 Members Share Posted May 15, 2020 On 3/28/2020 at 8:40 PM, Ukulelemike said: When dealing with the difference between 'God sovereignly decided, before the foundations of time, who would be saved and who would go to hell', and then commands them ALL to be saved or go to hell' as opposed to 'whosoever will', THAT is doctrine-in fact, it covers a few doctrines, like the sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ, whether man has free will to choose to follow or reject, and such. That is doctrine. Â Think that those are in house issues free to dioscuss and disagree, but not raising to level of seperation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted May 16, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 6:54 AM, DaChaser said: Think that those are in house issues free to dioscuss and disagree, but not raising to level of seperation It.absolutely raises to the level of separation, because we are dealing with the foundational doctrine of eternal life.  If I say everyone has an equal.ability to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, and YOU say, No, not everyone has that ability, that is a serious issue. I have personally witnessed the agony caused when a Calvinst had a hard time in sin and believed himself not of the elect, and it almost led him to suicide. I would perhaps talk with someone over the issue, but could not fellowship with them if that fundamental issue was in disagreement. Jim_Alaska and Scott Lyons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaChaser Posted May 17, 2020 Members Share Posted May 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Ukulelemike said: It.absolutely raises to the level of separation, because we are dealing with the foundational doctrine of eternal life.  If I say everyone has an equal.ability to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, and YOU say, No, not everyone has that ability, that is a serious issue. I have personally witnessed the agony caused when a Calvinst had a hard time in sin and believed himself not of the elect, and it almost led him to suicide. I would perhaps talk with someone over the issue, but could not fellowship with them if that fundamental issue was in disagreement. I am just saying that one can be saved and be either a calvinist or not, and while cam make for inyeresting discussions, not an issue to divide over! To me, thnose issues are like Deity of Jesus, Trinity, Bible inspration etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted May 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 hours ago, DaChaser said: I am just saying that one can be saved and be either a calvinist or not, and while cam make for inyeresting discussions, not an issue to divide over! To me, thnose issues are like Deity of Jesus, Trinity, Bible inspration etc! I guess we all need to choose our hills to fight on, but seems to me that HOW one is saved in the first place is a pretty big hill. Since standard Calvinist doctrine teaches one is regenerated before they are saved, that's plain heresy. But you pick your fights, I will pick mine. Â Scott Lyons, wretched and Jim_Alaska 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaChaser Posted May 19, 2020 Members Share Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 4:51 PM, Ukulelemike said: I guess we all need to choose our hills to fight on, but seems to me that HOW one is saved in the first place is a pretty big hill. Since standard Calvinist doctrine teaches one is regenerated before they are saved, that's plain heresy. But you pick your fights, I will pick mine. Â Are Non Calvinist even saved then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DaChaser said: Are Non Calvinist even saved then? You mean in the opinion of Calvinists? Probably depends on the Calvinists-many of them have severe disagreement as to what a true Calvinist even is, or over use of the term, often preferring "reformed", so it doesn't appear to follow a man's teachings, (even thought it does). I suspect many would say that someone who believes they have a choice in the matter, are not saved. I would say, if you are depending on being regenerated before you seek salvation, it might give a question of your salvation, since you are depending on something completely unbiblical to be your foundation for salvation. Jim_Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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