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On 1/3/2020 at 1:09 PM, ChristianUnderground said:

Also, to be a Pastor or Deacon one must be blameless!  Who of you that fill the pulpit is blameless?  The answer of course is NO ONE! So, what are we to do? 

What to do ?   Get back to God's Word...

No,  not no one,  and also not only those ones, but others also,  blameless, as written God's Word specifically (in KJV):

https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=blameless&t=KJV

"blameless"
occurs 15 times in 15 verses in the KJV, including 15 exact phrases shown first.

 

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On 6/27/2020 at 10:19 AM, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

What to do ?   Get back to God's Word...

No,  not no one,  and also not only those ones, but others also,  blameless, as written God's Word specifically (in KJV):

https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=blameless&t=KJV

"blameless"
occurs 15 times in 15 verses in the KJV, including 15 exact phrases shown first.

 

 

 

"blameless"

If a person get caught sinning, he or she can be blamed. But if she or he don't get caught, they are blameless?

The only true one, I find no fault in Him, is Christ. He is blameless

 

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13 hours ago, E Morales said:

"blameless"

If a person get caught sinning, he or she can be blamed. But if she or he don't get caught, they are blameless?

The only true one, I find no fault in Him, is Christ. He is blameless.

 

No,  that is not the KJV Bible meaning of blameless at all.

it does not matter if someone is caught or not ,   they are not blameless ... (in the KJV).

If they went along with (even silently approved or did not hate) any sin - divorce, re-marriage, adultery , 

then they are not only not blameless,  they are guilty. 

Jesus says even if it was only in the thoughts in their heart they sin, then they are already guilty.

So then , who else is blameless ?   I think there's about 12 verses specifically in the KJV on biblegateway dot com that tells who else is, or more about, being blameless. 

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And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 12:2 | KJV

Do all things without murmurings and disputings: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; Holding forth the word of life.
Philippians 2:14-16a | KJV

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Living a blameless life after being born again is , I believe, the instructions from Jesus all through the NT, and it is  certainly a seemingly difficult challenge ,  and maybe (maybe not) surprisingly , or apparently,  not only rare,  but even not welcome in most groups .   

Blemeless people during plagues and pandemics, for instance,  were often historically (including the last two years) blamed by the officials/ leaders/ general public.    Blameless people woh live set apart (holy ) lives are too often, it seems, shunned or avoided by others who openly sin in their own lives,  who "feel guilty"  (or convicted?) in what they do but continue sinning,   like the religious leaders did who wanted the approval of man instead of the approval of God ?

DIvorced and re-married (before death of spouse) people can get the approval of many individuals and even perhaps most churches today,

but is it worth it to get the approval of men, and not the approval of God ?

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The only way one can be "blameless" is if they are born again and all their sin and blame is under the blood of Christ. 

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" (Eph 1:3,4)

Are we holy by our own effort? No, we are holy because we are in Christ. So also, we are without blame, because Christ paid for our sin and took away our blame. 

1Cor 1:8 "Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ."

It is Christ that will make us blameless in the day of the Lord. We cannot, through our own efforts, be blameless.

 

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@Ukulelemike said (over 20 minutes ago now. I could not reply on the thread it was in)

"Posted 20 minutes ago

Curious as to how we understand wI hat Jesus meant here:

John 4:

15-18: "The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly."

So Jesus, apparently, by His own words, recognizes that this Samaritan woman has had 5 husbands, and is currently with a man that He, himself, differentiates, for some reason, as NOT her husband. IF we are recognized as married only once, (unless five of her husbands have all died), why does Jesus recognize all 5 as husbands? And why not the current one? I realize that all we can do is speculate, (ie, all 5 died), but if not, why does He recognize them all as husbands?"

What would have been in keeping with Torah at the time ?    Could she have had 5 husbands according to Torah?  (one after another )

Like posted,  yes,  if they had each died, one after another.   Suppose for instance they were all brothers.  (not uncommon then).    And when one died,  wasn't a brother obligated to marry her in the appropriate time ?

I'm not sure, and it is not stated, per se.   Likewise the man she is with,  how is he not her husband ?   Because they did not have a marriage ceremony ?

Is Jesus bringing all this up to hold (impute) sin against her ?   

Or is He showing her the Living Water,  Himself as Messiah, The Way to be forgiven (blameless?) , never be thirsty again ?

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7 hours ago, jeff_student_of_Jesus said:

 

Or is He showing her the Living Water,  Himself as Messiah, The Way to be forgiven (blameless?) , never be thirsty again ?

Exactly! Forgiveness! To be blameless! This is my whole point on divorce-too many treat it as unforgivable, yet even if this woman had had five husbands and divorced from each, she can be forgiven. Divorce and remarriage is not necessarily wrong, even by scriptural standards.

Here's another incident to consider, (yes, it is OT, but there it is).
 

"And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel. Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do." Ezra 10:10-12

Now, yes, by the law, they were 'strange wives", they were of other nations, something specifically forbidden by the law. HOWEVER, isn't the argument many make that, even if a believer marries an unbeliever, somehow it becomes okay in God's eyes, and they ought never divorce, even though it is specifically forbidden to be unequally yoked by NT standards? In the NT, granted, it is dealt with, that is the unbeliever departs, let them depart, a brother is not under bondage in such instances-therefore, the believer who is abandoned and divorced by an unbelieving spouse is not bound to that person, and thus, should be able to marry again.

 

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Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2Tim 4:2-4)  
 
A few examples of several or many(/few)  blameless in Scripture:
 
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
 
Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke,
 
in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
 
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