What are Your Thoughts on Effeminate Men in the Name of Christ

[heartstrings]

Jesus said that the only sin which cannot be forgiven is the "blasphemy of the Holy Ghost". So to say that homosexuals or effeminates cannot be saved is quite frankly a lie of the Devil. The Bible plainly mentions "abusers of themselves with mankind" and (speaking to Christians) says "and such were some of you". Now a Homosexual or effeminate who has blasphemed the Holy Ghost; that is, of course, a different story, they sin their "day of grace" away as anyone else doing the same.  As to a "reprobate mind", this is a morally corrupt mind. But God does not "make" a person think, say or do wicked things. People cultivate that stuff themselves. When God stops pleading with one's heart, He then "leaves them to their own devices" so to speak. That is what "giving them over to a reprobate mind" means.

[Alan]

On 11/16/2019 at 11:46 AM, Alan said:

That John R. Rice, and other fine IFB men of God, taught that a person could commit unpardonable sins is correct. But, Paul Christian, and pastor Joe  Major, twist John R. Rice's words, and teachings, to fit Pastor Anderson's "Reprobate Doctrine." John R. Rice's "unpardonable sin" teaching, Hebrew 6:4-6, and other passages listed in the John R. Rice issue of "The Sword of Lord," on July 2, 1948, is not, nor was never, the "Reprobate Doctrine" that is taught by Steven Anderson and his followers.

I am not surprised at all of this deceit by Paul Christian and Joe Major. The John R. Video was produced by  Pastor Joe Major, Faith Baptist Church; Baton Rouge, LA, and he  is an Andersonite, the NewIFB, to the core.

As I said before, Paul Christian is twisting the teaching of John R. Rice. Paul Christian, as with Steven Anderson and his followers, are false teachers, full of hate, and will twist the fine teaching of old-time IFB men of God anyway that that fits their twisted beliefs on Romans chapter one and other passages of scripture.

 

 

Brethren,

The Lord Jesus clearly stated that there is only one sin that is unpardonable, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:31-32

"All manner" includes Sodomy, idolatry, a reprobate mind, lying, stealing, blasphemy, adultery, fornication, and of the the other sins listed in Romans 1:18-32.

The teaching of John R. Rice, and, "The Unpardonable sin," as written in the July 2, 1948 issue of, "The Sword of the Lord," is also found in the "A Verse-by-Verse Commentary on Matthew," by John R. Rice on pages 181-183. Pastor Joe Major is distorting the very words of John R. Rice to try and prove that Rice taught, "The Reprobate Doctrine." Please take notice that pastor Joe Major will not quote John R. Rice, in either the July 2, 1948 issue nor his Matthew Commentary.  Not one time in either article does John R. Rice mention the following words or characteristics: (1) the word reprobate is not even mentioned. (2) Homosexuals, or any derivative  of the word, is not mentioned. (3) The sin of homosexuality is not even hinted at.

Among his fine exposition of Matthew 12:22-32, concerning 31-32, John R. Rice states, "The unpardonable sin is a complete and final rejection of Christ so definite and blasphemous that it insults and drives away the Holy Spirit forever. Then He no longer moves the heart, brings conviction or arouses desire for salvation."

John R. Rice is very clear and Pastor Joe Major, and the other NewIFB brethren who use Pastor Major's video, is purposely deceiving all those folks who watch the video. Paul Christian, pastor Joe Major, and the other NewIFB followers, are trying to tie John R. Rice into their heretical teaching and are trying to slander and distort men of God who are passed away and cannot speak for themselves. Shame unto them.

 

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Alan
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[No Nicolaitans]

12 hours ago, heartstrings said:

Jesus said that the only sin which cannot be forgiven is the "blasphemy of the Holy Ghost". So to say that homosexuals or effeminates cannot be saved is quite frankly a lie of the Devil. The Bible plainly mentions "abusers of themselves with mankind" and (speaking to Christians) says "and such were some of you". Now a Homosexual or effeminate who has blasphemed the Holy Ghost; that is, of course, a different story, they sin their "day of grace" away as anyone else doing the same.  As to a "reprobate mind", this is a morally corrupt mind. But God does not "make" a person think, say or do wicked things. People cultivate that stuff themselves. When God stops pleading with one's heart, He then "leaves them to their own devices" so to speak. That is what "giving them over to a reprobate mind" means.

Well said.

[Pastor Scott Markle]

14 hours ago, Alan said:

Brethren,

The Lord Jesus clearly stated that there is only one sin that is unpardonable, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." Matthew 12:31-32

"All manner" includes Sodomy, idolatry, a reprobate mind, lying, stealing, blasphemy, adultery, fornication, and of the the other sins listed in Romans 1:18-32.

Yes, our Lord Jesus Christ Himself did indeed say, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men."  

This declaration by our Lord Jesus Christ Himself (God the Son Himself) indicates that the sin of homosexuality can INDEED "be forgiven unto men," and thus that such sinners can INDEED be saved (through faith Christ).  Any other voice on the subject simply does NOT match the authority of God the Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.  What then should we do "if any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ . . ."?

Edited November 18, 2019 by Pastor Scott Markle