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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Questions about deputation


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Hello, all. Hope you're doing well. I have some questions about deputation. The wife and I are called to missions, potentially, and perhaps even the ministry of a church (i.e., teaching in a Christian school). If we do go on deputation, what are some things we can look for during it? Some of the threads about deputation I've seen mention getting a motorhome/camper. We, too, have discussed that. . Which IFB mission board did you use? We are starting the process of selling unnecessary things like our Camaro. I am in my third year of Bible school. I believe that the education weighs in on mission boards as well. We believe the Lord may be calling us to Canada. 

 

What are things we can look forward to during deputation? 

Which, if any, IFB board did you use? 

I know this is a loaded question, but how long did it take? 

Is there any advice you could give about deputation? 

How did you know WHERE you were supposed to go? 

 

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IMO, FBWWM is the primo of mission boards. When my husband and I were planning to go to Ireland, we were going to go through this board (we researched a great number, and felt this one was the most biblical).  Contact Bro. Pat Gordon there - he'll answer all of your questions and more than you realize you'll have!  

 

http://fbwwm.org/

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Personally, I would avoid Boards like BIMI and FBWWM, I believe they try to excersize too much control over the missionary. I dont believe its a mission boards place to micro manage things like facial hair, what you can do with your money on the mission field, etc. 

I am personally going to go with All Points Baptist Mission because they give dont attempt to control things that they dont really have scriptural authority to control. Pat Gordon is a good man and Im not saying you shouldnt go with FBWWM, but personally I dont want a body outside of my local church dictating non biblical things to me.

As to where God wants you to go, I believe if God gives you a burden or desire for a specific place, follow that desire, Jesus already said Go into all the world, so there is your “call”. As long as you are qualified biblically then I say follow God and he will give you the desires of your heart. 

I am praying this year that God will call 100 people to unreached people groups. 

Maybe you are one of them, please listen to this short (12 minutes) radio broadcast I did on the topic of missions and unreached people groups. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4Cyo2ykALwGQWtpRl90eVFQOHM/view?usp=drivesdk

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One of the things I don't like about BIMI so far is there's a "timetable" they have where you can go to candidate school, get approved, and then go. They may all be like that but I know BIMI does their annual school in June. The committee convenes also in June and December. When it's time to go, I want to go. I have a missionary from my church who didn't use a board at all. And it's for the same reasons you mentioned, Jordan. 

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I can't really help in this area as we were on deputation for only 3 months. We were planning on being on deputation for 1 year to get support to start a church in Connecticut, but in our first meeting a door opened us for us to use a building right away for no cost. We prayed about it and ended our deputation after 3 months and started the church early. Seeing how we were focusing on deputation only in the north east, we did not use a mission board, but rather just our sending church.

I do realize that it is different with foreign missions, but BIMI is one that I would never consider. That is just my opinion thought, as we do support missionaries that are under BIMI.

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I just got off of the phone with David Canedy at Baptist World Missions. I had a ton of information given and asked many questions. It will have to be a matter of prayer, but I am leaning more towards them if we go into missions. They do candidacy interviews and the like twice a year. April and October. I like that much better than once a year. We have a few more doors that must open for it to be missions-related, but this was our first step. I am excited about whatever may come! 

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33 minutes ago, Anthony John Thornton said:

I just got off of the phone with David Canedy at Baptist World Missions. I had a ton of information given and asked many questions. It will have to be a matter of prayer, but I am leaning more towards them if we go into missions. They do candidacy interviews and the like twice a year. April and October. I like that much better than once a year. We have a few more doors that must open for it to be missions-related, but this was our first step. I am excited about whatever may come! 

If I was you I would ask to see their guidebook/handbook, that is what turned me off from BIMI and FBWWM, I just saw so many rules that restricted the missionaries freedom and many of the rules had nothing to do with the Bible. Unfortunately today, people sometimes think their own philosophy of missions is the only way to do missions, there are many things the Bible does not address but certain mission boards and missionaries feel so strongly about. I have personally seen where missionaries and boards try to Lord it over another missionary. But you will have to decide for yourself what is best for you. 

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I go to church with the Vice President of Baptist Missions to Forgotten People. I have asked him many many questions about the board he is a part of and about missions in general. I personally think it is a very personal choice and something you must pray about and decide what works best for you. I have another friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea and he didn't use a board at all. He is sent out of his local church and Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support. That is what works best for him and his family.

I don't think there is any one right way to do deputation and handle your support. Each family is different and has different needs. If you would like me to put you in touch with the Vice President or the pre field administrator at BMFP let me know.

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1 hour ago, AdamL said:

I go to church with the Vice President of Baptist Missions to Forgotten People. I have asked him many many questions about the board he is a part of and about missions in general. I personally think it is a very personal choice and something you must pray about and decide what works best for you. I have another friend that is a missionary in Papua New Guinea and he didn't use a board at all. He is sent out of his local church and Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support. That is what works best for him and his family.

I don't think there is any one right way to do deputation and handle your support. Each family is different and has different needs. If you would like me to put you in touch with the Vice President or the pre field administrator at BMFP let me know.

 

Absolutely. I am definitely going to consider all avenues and make it a matter of prayer. 

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Reading a handbook just isn't enough. Talk to the people who are involved in the different boards. Find out WHY "rules" are there  -  you might be surprised to find that some of them are based on biblical principle and not just "lording it over" missionaries (I know for a fact that FBWWM does not "lord over" anybody). Talk to your pastor and see which one(s) he recommends (FBWWM will not take any missionary if their pastor does not recommend them). And then pray about it. If God is calling you to the field, and leading you to use a mission board, He will show you the right one for you, your family, and your field.

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Why a mission board at all? It is the responsibility of your local church to send you as well as help support you. Do your own deputation, have your sending church collect the mission offerings and disperse to you. You really don't need middlemen in the mix.

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9 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Why a mission board at all? It is the responsibility of your local church to send you as well as help support you. Do your own deputation, have your sending church collect the mission offerings and disperse to you. You really don't need middlemen in the mix.

And I have strongly considered this aspect of it as well. I have an older missionary in my church whom I consider a friend and this is what he does. Well, mostly. He doesn't use a board. He does go from church to church periodically raising funds. I believe the sending church being responsible is the most Biblical way of doing it for sure. 

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On 1/22/2019 at 5:04 AM, AdamL said:

Central Missionary Clearinghouse handles his support

The Central Missionary Clearinghouse is a ministry from a local church, the Central Baptist Church, Houston, TX, Pastor Larry Maddox, and  operates as a "mission handling agency" and not a "board." https://www.cmcmissions.org/

The CMC has no "Candidate School," and no control over the missionary family.The CMC helps with the "funds handling only." The is no "board" at the CMC.

Apart from the local church supporting a missionary directly from their local church as Jim Alaska wrote, the only other method I would even suggest is the Central Missionary Clearinghouse.

 

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2 minutes ago, Alan said:

The Central Missionary Clearinghouse is a ministry from a local church, the Central Baptist Church, Houston, TX, Pastor Larry Maddox, and  operates as a "mission handling agency" and not a "board." https://www.cmcmissions.org/

The CMC does have no "Candidate School," and no control over the missionary family.The CMC helps with the "funds handling only." The is no "board" at the CMC.

Apart from the local church supporting a missionary directly from their local church as Jim Alaska wrote, the only other method I would even suggest is the Central Missionary Clearinghouse.

 

That's really interesting! 

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Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:

 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?
 
Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.
 
 
4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?
 

 There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.

 
 
5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?
 

CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.

 

A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.

 

There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.

 

FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.

 

Alan

 

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4 minutes ago, Alan said:

Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:

 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?
 
Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.
 
 
4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?
 

 There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.

 
 
5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?
 

CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.

 

A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.

 

There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.

 

FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.

 

Alan

 

Man alive I am glad I found this site. I believe this site will be an incredible resource to me in the next few months. This is good stuff right here. 

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13 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Reading a handbook just isn't enough. Talk to the people who are involved in the different boards. Find out WHY "rules" are there  -  you might be surprised to find that some of them are based on biblical principle and not just "lording it over" missionaries (I know for a fact that FBWWM does not "lord over" anybody). Talk to your pastor and see which one(s) he recommends (FBWWM will not take any missionary if their pastor does not recommend them). And then pray about it. If God is calling you to the field, and leading you to use a mission board, He will show you the right one for you, your family, and your field.

Of course they always have “reasons” for their rules. The rule book will tell you something about the board though. I am going to just use facial hair for one example, the bible absolutely is not against facial hair, therefore if a board is going to make a rule about that it tells me they think thats important. If a board is going to tell you that you cant have facial hair what else will they dictate? To me that tells me that they feel strongly about something that is not biblical or significant in the big picture of missions. To me it seems like a bit of a legalistic spirit. I am yet to see any mission board admit that they are controlling. Every mission board says that they are “local church”. But the proof is in the pudding when you get down to the nitty gritty details. Listen, if someones wants to give up some of their autonomy for the help and aid of a mission board then thats fine, I wont condemn anyone for that. But for me personally I would not go with a Board that gives evidence to me that they will try to micromanage my ministry and life. Unfortunately there is definately a legalistic spirit out there amongst Independant Baptists, There is a serious problem with people pushing their own personal preferences on others and I see this with mission boards. I have just watched how one unnamed mission board has tried to destroy a godly missionary and his family and get them kicked out of the country simply because he did not agree with their missions philosophy and he wasnt even under their board. 

I am not against Mission boards, but we need to be honest and realize that many missions boards do restrict the missionaries freedom. You have to realize you are trading some freedom for help from the board.

And of course you can talk to the people from the boards, but realize they are probably not going to tell you the negative consequences of being with their board and they are of course going to have “reasons” for all of their rules.

I am not trying to attack any mission boards or person. I respect Pat Gordon and what he is doing. For me though I looked into them and it wasnt a fit for me. Maybe it is for someone else, but not for me. 

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2 hours ago, Alan said:

Under the "FAQ" the CMC states:

 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS?
 
Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office.
 
 
4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES?
 

 There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC.

 
 
5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC?
 

CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors.

 

A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement.

 

There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need.

 

FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC.

 

Alan

 

I believe CMC is a worthy mention for this thread. 

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I didn't address this in my first post, but there is another aspect to going with a mission board that needs to be considered. I will qualify this by saying that I have no idea which or how many boards do this, but some do take a small portion of the missionary funding for something on the order of what they consider the cost of handling the funds and/or missionary. I don't really know what you would call this except to say that the missionary doesn't get the total contributed. This would be a factor in favor of "doing it yourself".

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Problem is, Jordan, you don't know the WHY of certain things. Just like any organization, requirements evolve as people involved do stupid things.  "To you" it might tell you things that you are assuming, without, again, knowing the WHY of it all. That's the reason to TALK to people. Ask the hard questions, like why is this or that in place. It's dangerous to assume that something is wrong simply because you don't agree with it (saying the "you" generically). But this is to you: you are assuming much about FBWWM from some things you read - consigning them to legalistic actions is wrong, because you did not talk to them and find out the WHY of their decisions - and basically assuming they won't be honest about negatives.  I know that many boards claim to be local church and are not. FBWWM is. Again, I know this from personal experience. Not just reading a handbook. 😉 But, as you said, not every mission board is for every person - nor is every person for every mission board.

I totally agree, Jordan, that many boards have gotten out of hand. Mission work has become a business to many of them, not a ministry. 

Jim, I agree with you about the $ being taken out...most boards do that, as a way of paying their staff. I know of one board that even requires that any properties purchased on the field - any field - are to be put into the mission board's name. Not the church, the board. IMO, that is tantamount to robbery...

That (besides it being the only one our pastor would work with) is one glaring reason we went with FBWWM.

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