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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Timeline of the EndTime, mathematical/holy day co-relation


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Please consider the below timeline and see if you can find any mathematical time frame mistakes, whether start/stops in chronological order, or whether the exact holy day references are wrong.

Daniel and Revelation BOTH have exact day counts that would have to coincide and these would also have to match exactly the Lords harvest HOLY-days Festivals as prescribed by the Lord...... barley, wheat, grapes.. Passover, Pentecost, and 2nd Coming Harvest.

Daniel (and Revelation) talk about 1260 days,

1290 days

1335 days

2300 days

and of course 2555 days or Seven Years

So if you see a mistake mathematically or numerically, do respond..Thanks

 

 

TIMELINE 2025.GIF

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So did the heads of state of the 10 nations state emphatically that they would sign with no backing out, abstention or renegotiation on 21 Sept 2018?

88 reasons Jesus will return in 1988, ooops -- He didn't, 89 reasons He'll return in 1989. Missed it again, maybe I should do like the J.W.s and say He returned but it was a SPIRITUAL return. 

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Hmmm???

So, on September 21, 2018 10 nations are to sign a covenant that will start the final seven years and a Middle Eastern War will break out.

I thought on September 21, 2018 that planet out there, (Planet X?),  somewhere in Outer Space (hiding behind Jupiter now I think), is supposed to hit Earth, or come close to Earth.

The only part that I am concerned about is the Nuclear War. Woe is me! I guess I better start building a bomb shelter, stock up on a lot of food, dust off my radiation detector, and sell off all of my possessions.

Thanks for the information!!!!!

 

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1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

So if you see a mistake mathematically or numerically, do respond..Thanks

TIMELINE 2025.GIF

Sir,

I will try to say this as respectfully as possible.

While I realize the amount of effort and study that you put into figuring out your timeline...on this site, you won't find anyone who accepts or believes in date-setting.

You asked if we saw a mistake mathematically or numerically. I haven't checked your math, but in my view, there are many numerical mistakes; which are, the dates. We believe setting dates to be a mistake...especially the day of the Lord's return. The Lord Jesus Christ himself said no man knows that date.

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I thought, prophecy was knowing the future and being forewarned.... rather than events and timing being unknown to us.

As mentioned, by Celine celine celine,...... Revelation and Daniel have to compliment one another, and so these events compliment each other, and coincide with the Lords timing of His Festivals.

But Yes if you see a numerical mistake do state it, and if you see a chronological mistake do let me know....

The basic timeline is Daniel 9, but thats almost a given by now.... but we could go over that timeline if you would like.... its great for showing that Jesus exact death was prophesied hundreds of years prior,  and that there is only SEVEN more Years left of that 70 year prophecy. Prophecy is about order and dating and time in my opinion.

 

ATBIJ

 

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Preacher, I cant follow what you are saying..... But Yes, you understand about the ten nations, that sign the Covenant... good for you

For before 10 nations will sign...to stop the insanity of the next mid East War....  it escalates from iran, to Syria, to Lebanon to Palestine, Gaza etc... over the Temple Mount, etc.... and then the major powers enter IN and we have almost WW#3.

 

But as mentioned in Daniel 11, the Prince of the Covenant is the diplomat or world head that comes up with an agreed upon peace plan or COVENANT that ten nations, kingdoms, toes agree on and secure and quarantee.. and we are off and into Daniel's Last Seven Years.

Yes, we should go over that basic timeline of Daniel first if some dont know it yet.

1 hour ago, OLD fashioned preacher said:

So did the heads of state of the 10 nations state emphatically that they would sign with no backing out, abstention or renegotiation on 21 Sept 2018?

88 reasons Jesus will return in 1988, ooops -- He didn't, 89 reasons He'll return in 1989. Missed it again, maybe I should do like the J.W.s and say He returned but it was a SPIRITUAL return. 

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

Hmmm???

So, on September 21, 2018 10 nations are to sign a covenant that will start the final seven years and a Middle Eastern War will break out.

I thought on September 21, 2018 that planet out there, (Planet X?),  somewhere in Outer Space (hiding behind Jupiter now I think), is supposed to hit Earth, or come close to Earth.

The only part that I am concerned about is the Nuclear War. Woe is me! I guess I better start building a bomb shelter, stock up on a lot of food, dust off my radiation detector, and sell off all of my possessions.

Thanks for the information!!!!!

 

Alan forget Planet x, just concentrate on Planet Earth, as our destiny hinges upon the prophecies of the Saviours one and ONLY PLANET.

Nuclear War, Yes its coming but not now..... as nuclear war is mentioned many times in Revelation... the beast destroying the whore, it burning and it all happening in one hour.....

 

Daniel describes the smashing of three toes... UK, France and US, and the three horns being broken,... etc etc.... its not a long protracted war, very quick and decisive.... but thats a few yeears AFTER the Covenant is signed...

 

And building a bomb shelter isnt the greatest when its followed by the seven trumpets and then the seven vials... better to follow the 2 Witnesses in my opinion.

 

As prophecy isnt negative but what we have been waiting for ...for eons.... and was the greatest time to be in, according to the prophets of old.

 

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1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

better to follow the 2 Witnesses in my opinion.

I have the blessed hope of meeting the Lord Jesus in the air before the 7 Year Tribulation, the signing if the Tribulation Covenant, the Nuclear War (s), and most certainly will miss out on following the two witnesses.

David,

I love prophecy, I love the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel. But, I do not care to set dates on the prophecies of the events of the book of Revelation and Daniel. Nor, do I like to debate these dates.

Alan

 

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1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Preacher, I cant follow what you are saying.....

Okay, all sarcasm aside.

Mathematically, you must have TWO known values to find an unknown one. You did not state the method by which you determined the date of 2018 A.D.

Did you use (in the calculation alluded to above) for your calendar benchmark (in order to maintain consistency) 2018 years from 0 BC / 0 AD? Did you use the Julian and/or Gregorian referencing for your BC/AD pivot point? If so, how did you handle the "Jesus born 4BC or 5 BC" dispute? Did you use this year (2018 AD) plus Ussher's chronology of a 4004 BC creation (6022 years)? Did you use the Hebrew calendar, placing us at the year 5778? Did you use the Chinese calendar, placing us at 4715 --------  oh, strike the Chinese one, I said I'd refrain from sarcasm.

So, how did you determine the 2018 date and WHAT DATE did you start with? What calendar(s) did you use? Did you use both a lunar and solar year? If so, how did you handle the other 5 (or did you figure 5.25) days / year?

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57 minutes ago, Alan said:

I have the blessed hope of meeting the Lord Jesus in the air before the 7 Year Tribulation, the signing if the Tribulation Covenant, the Nuclear War (s), and most certainly will miss out on following the two witnesses.

David,

I love prophecy, I love the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel. But, I do not care to set dates on the prophecies of the events of the book of Revelation and Daniel. Nor, do I like to debate these dates.

Alan

 

No problem Alan,

I have the blessed promise that I and others will be HERE and get to go through and fight the good fight of faith all the way to the End at His Second Coming. It was our promise peomised to Him which is why I believe He told all the prophets about the End Times. Not because we dont need the information, and details and scenario of events and timing but because we do need them. Everything the Lord told His prophets is of importance to us. If you differ so be it.

 

I love the future, the best of times and worst of times,.... which is why we were put HERE to learn and help others to the End.... nothing like a little suffering and pain to bring out the best in us...no test, no testimony.

 

As for dates, they have to be confirmed, by the two hindsight sign POSTS

 

1. The date of Covenant signing

2. The date of sacrifice starting by the Jews at their 3rd Temple.

 

The holy day co-relation of the Sacrifice start is another timeline confirmation as it has to start on the Passover Sacrifice Date whether in 2018 or beyond. It is the Feast Day of the Lord, and of course the Day our Lord was crucified and died for our sins...

 

April 26th 2019...

 

This as Daniel stated has to be 2300 exact days before the sanctuary is cleansed ... Daniel 8

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Good for you old time fashioned Preacher...love the hat....

And your question is fair and logical.. (logic is mathematical...its SET LAW)

17 minutes ago, OLD fashioned preacher said:

Okay, all sarcasm aside.

Mathematically, you must have TWO known values to find an unknown one. You did not state the method by which you determined the date of 2018 A.D.

Did you use (in the calculation alluded to above) for your calendar benchmark (in order to maintain consistency) 2018 years from 0 BC / 0 AD? Did you use the Julian and/or Gregorian referencing for your BC/AD pivot point? If so, how did you handle the "Jesus born 4BC or 5 BC" dispute? Did you use this year (2018 AD) plus Ussher's chronology of a 4004 BC creation (6022 years)? Did you use the Hebrew calendar, placing us at the year 5778? Did you use the Chinese calendar, placing us at 4715 --------  oh, strike the Chinese one, I said I'd refrain from sarcasm.

So, how did you determine the 2018 date and WHAT DATE did you start with? What calendar(s) did you use? Did you use both a lunar and solar year? If so, how did you handle the other 5 (or did you figure 5.25) days / year?

Theres about four reasons why from other timelines that 2018 is the expected timeframe for the START of the Last SEVEN YEARS.

But simlipifed, and so as to not complicate too much with backings of other timeframes, allow me to just say

 

Creation 4004 BC

1,000 year divisions of time

1997 AD is 6000 years since Creation

 

Add 21 years because of Jacobs Trouble...and it yields 2018 as the starting point/

And besides doing the math and additions of days via a day counter, it means the exact matching only occurs in 2018... as the Roman calendar is not the Hebrew calendar.A day counter disregards years and just adds days or computes difference in days etc..

Daniel is via solar Years or if you like Enochian years 365.24 days to a cycle (SEE Genesis timing)

Holy days follow lunar calendar for planting, moons phases etc.... harvest festivals

Anyone can compute and add up the years from Creation to our foreFATHERS in the Faith, quite simple... Genesis was exact and consistent..

There is no O BC or 0 AD...

 

Next question, hope this one started to suffice..

 

IHS

 

David

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7 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Next question, hope this one started to suffice..

Again, with respect...

Do the words of the Lord Jesus Christ (regarding his second coming) have no bearing on the fact that you have set a date of August 10, 2025 for his return?

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Matthew 24:3, 36, and 42

3  And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

42  Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

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Matthew 25:13

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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Mark 13:4, 33, and 35-37

4  Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

33  Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

 

35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

(Why should we watch (as commanded by Jesus) if we know when he will return?

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Luke 12:40

40  Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

 

 

 

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Jesus spoke all of Mathew 24, to forewarn us.... so we would not be in the dark and that His Day should NOT overtake us as a theif in the NIGHT. We are of the light and so He gave us all His prophets to forewarn us... as in the days of Noah when the Lord told Noah to be ready and build... For again Jesus said, and confirmed Daniel, and told us to flee when we see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION...hence we better know about the timing of the Abomination odf Desolation...and know where we are to flee, and why, and who will lead us.

 

One verse does not negate the volume of other prophecies of the Lord.

 

Besides Jesus knew theHis timing, and day of departrure and He spoke to His prophets, through the ages concerning the END TIME, so obviously He did KNOW PROPHECY< and if there is anything we should know its prophecy

 

1. To avoid being political

2) Trusting in politics or nationality

3. Know the timing so we know how to make decisions....

 

I have a longer writing on your verse, if need be but lets just keep it at that... as the preponderance of prophecy and books, and verses and principles all point to knowing times and events rather than NOT knowing times and events

 

IMO

 

David

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August 10th of the wheat harvest ...I shall LINK its exact timing in a new thread if necessary. But Id rather keep this thread for mathematical error or proven exactness for now...

 

OH what the heck, here is a partial revealment of August 10th... remember nothing and no date or event should ever by confirmed by just one scripture.....but multiple ones.2025-3Festivals.JPG.f10c7254bbe05a2a8aeac40f53aa59ba.JPG

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1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

Jesus spoke all of Mathew 24, to forewarn us.... so we would not be in the dark and that His Day should NOT overtake us as a theif in the NIGHT. We are of the light and so He gave us all His prophets to forewarn us... as in the days of Noah when the Lord told Noah to be ready and build... For again Jesus said, and confirmed Daniel, and told us to flee when we see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION...hence we better know about the timing of the Abomination odf Desolation...and know where we are to flee, and why, and who will lead us.

 

One verse does not negate the volume of other prophecies of the Lord.

 

Besides Jesus knew theHis timing, and day of departrure and He spoke to His prophets, through the ages concerning the END TIME, so obviously He did KNOW PROPHECY< and if there is anything we should know its prophecy

 

1. To avoid being political

2) Trusting in politics or nationality

3. Know the timing so we know how to make decisions....

 

I have a longer writing on your verse, if need be but lets just keep it at that... as the preponderance of prophecy and books, and verses and principles all point to knowing times and events rather than NOT knowing times and events

 

IMO

 

David

I'm not sure which "one verse" you're speaking about. I quoted several verses that all attest to the fact that no man knows when Christ will return. We can know the season of his return, but we can't know the day of his return. The Lord was very specific in this regard. You, I, nor anyone else knows (or can know) the date of his return. No amount of mathematics, comparing the Israel feasts with events, nor any other way of determining his return will matter. We don't know. We can't know. We won't know...even those who are here and alive during the Tribulation period won't know...he will come at a time that they think not.

I adjure you to repent of setting any dates. The Lord Jesus Christ has said that no man knows...no man.

 

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9 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

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Creation 4004 BC

1,000 year divisions of time

1997 AD is 6000 years since Creation


 

4004+1997= 6001

OR

6000 - 4004= 1996

If you want to add 21 years for Jacob's trouble (the determination for 21 is a separate question) places you at 2017AD

The timeline just became skewed due to mathematical inaccuracy.

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As mentioned Preacher, there is no 0 AD or 0 BC, therefore you cant simply take the confirmed time length of 6000 years of world history from Creation

or the six confirmed 1000 year confirmations straight through the change-over from BC to AD...

Therefore 4004 BC til 1997 AD does compute... and yield 6000 years

But at least you are trying mathematically to disprove the basic timeline, Preacher. I dont think we need RED LETTERS though.

 

See below for the 1,000 year confirmations, as the Millinium is also a thousand years. The Lord is very repetitive in His design so that time frames are repeated over and over again, as a template

 

4004 B.C.
This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the number
of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son  until, a known and recognized date is found
like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation.. SEE



2004 B.C.
In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and


1004 B.C.
According to
I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.

4 B.C.
There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE
. This
making his death in 30. A.D.

1997 A.D.
If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's Rule,
and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's
****, search for the Lord's Bride in the
'' of Service required to obtain these ****** Virgin Brides. This ending ******* 2017, when all of the Lord's Brides shall be
sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE
********)





 

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11 hours ago, Alan said:

I have the blessed hope of meeting the Lord Jesus in the air before the 7 Year Tribulation, the signing if the Tribulation Covenant, the Nuclear War (s), and most certainly will miss out on following the two witnesses.

David,

I love prophecy, I love the book of Revelation and the book of Daniel. But, I do not care to set dates on the prophecies of the events of the book of Revelation and Daniel. Nor, do I like to debate these dates.

Alan

 

Good for you Alan, Dont set the dates or dates... its a terrible past time and can lead to all kinds of disastrous decision making, as so many have found out.

Its foolishness and makes people disregard the exactness of prophecy.

But wait for the first two hindsight events that absolutely start off the LAST SEVEN YEARS, because the one thing we know is that the Lord is not coming tomorrow...

 

All prophecy has to be fulfilled, all timelines have to be accomplished and all events happen in sequential chronological order. Prophecy is written in stone and can not be avoided or annulled or changed. The major events will happen as described by the Lords prophets, they were not conditional.

 

1. The date of the signing of the Covenant

2. The date the Sacrificing starts.... (but then again it has to be a holy day corelation and has to be done at Passover. Hence after 1...comes the sacrificing before the 3rd Temple, in the next year, and the difference or waiting time has to be 2555 days minus 2300 days or 255 days)

 

In other words, none of us have to have foresight right now, although it helps, but these two events will make us THEN get it together and study and pray and figure out prophetic timing because the next major event will determine our survival and our ability to fight the goof fight of FAITH til the END.

SEE next posting... for Date setting posted for NO Nolaties (spelling)

 

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7 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I'm not sure which "one verse" you're speaking about. I quoted several verses that all attest to the fact that no man knows when Christ will return. We can know the season of his return, but we can't know the day of his return. The Lord was very specific in this regard. You, I, nor anyone else knows (or can know) the date of his return. No amount of mathematics, comparing the Israel feasts with events, nor any other way of determining his return will matter. We don't know. We can't know. We won't know...even those who are here and alive during the Tribulation period won't know...he will come at a time that they think not.

I adjure you to repent of setting any dates. The Lord Jesus Christ has said that no man knows...no man.

 

As mentioned NO Nicolaites,

Dont set 2nd Coming dates....

Its foolishness, when there are so many exact events and times ahead that will confirm the Lords Timeline.

Study, meditate, ponder, read and understand that all time frames and all exact days will be fulfilled exactly, as they were written not as decoration or for others but for us to understand and comprehend and to follow.

Repent is a rather strong word, when I dont see anywhere it says where we are suppose to be unaware of the Lords time table. We are of the day not the night, and so are suppose to use prophecy as a forewarning and Guide.

The events will not happen to us as a thief in the night.

As I said to Alan, wait for the starting confirmations dates of the Covenant signing and then the Start of Sacrificing before the 3rd Temple.

WE still have at least 7 more years, thats a given... the Lord isn;t going to change Prophecy, and he will be expecting us Christians to have faith and understanding rather than another group to do what we are suppose to be doing.

Lots to do before we go... the fields are white already for harvesting.... lets know the harvesting times and be prepared IMO

If you have another opinion according to scriptures so be it. Our individual choices and our responsibilities.

So back to the 2nd Coming date I proposed mathematically and spiritually.

It definitely has an implication 7 years earlier.... Im writing that up as IMPLICATIONS, as Sept 21, also has IMPLICATIONS on the dark side, the evil vile AC side. For again we have to know our enemy, before hand so as not to fall for his traps and deceptions.

So Bro... there are about six exact events that happen before my date of Aug 10 2025. Its not a shot in the dark. Lots of time to recalculate. Wait, consider, research etc etc etc..

Besides according to Daniel 9 and Revelation we are to flee in the middle of the last SEVEN Years.

 

This said over and over and over and over again...3.5 years, 42 months, time times and a dividing of time.. its repeated by the Lord so that we would consider it.

At this point we had better have moved to the right location and be in the right frame of mind mentally and spiritually to obey and keep being used by the Lord... as we exodus, to Kadesh Barnea, following the route of our past Christian forefather..and where he and they stayed.

In other words, 3.5 years before 2025 we had better have obeyed, if we want to continue, otherwsie we shall easily be negated by the AC and his ilk much previous to 2025 IMO.

 

So lets consider the possibilities and see if the exact signposts come and are fulfilled.... and then lets recalculate, and search and research and PRAY... for knowledge and discernment.

IHS

 

David

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37 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

As mentioned Preacher, there is no 0 AD or 0 BC, therefore you cant simply take the confirmed time length of 6000 years of world history from Creation

or the six confirmed 1000 year confirmations straight through the change-over from BC to AD...

Therefore 4004 BC til 1997 AD does compute... and yield 6000 years

But at least you are trying mathematically to disprove the basic timeline, Preacher. I dont think we need RED LETTERS though.

 

See below for the 1,000 year confirmations, as the Millinium is also a thousand years. The Lord is very repetitive in His design so that time frames are repeated over and over again, as a template

 

4004 B.C.   I thought you said using an AD/BC pivot was invalid (see line 1 in this quote)
This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the number
of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son  until, a known and recognized date is found
like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation.. SEE

Forefathers Timeline Graphics

2004 B.C. Again 6000 - 4004 = 1996 (That sir is math, no BC/AD, just numbers and mathematical function) NOT 1997
In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and His
Step of FAITH

1004 B.C. Excuse me, math is PRECISE, not merely (close enough for government work, after all "you can't see it from a trotting horse")
According to I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.

4 B.C.
There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE
Great Pyramid Prophecy). This
making his death in 30. A.D.

1997 A.D.
IF (see 1st word in your sentence below) . Now if your "if" is the first part of "if / then" statement then it possible (in limited precise paramenters) to have an "if" in your equation. Such as: distance from point A to point B  "IF bridge is above water, THEN distance is X -- IF bridge is flooded THEN distance is Y. However, when your first known factor is "If 4004 B.C. was ...." then you have created an inability to nail a solid date mathematically, only an estimate.
If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's Rule,
and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's
Two End Time Prophets, search for the Lord's Bride in the 'Additional
21 Years
' of Service required to obtain these 144,000 Virgin Brides. This ending in 2017, when all of the Lord's Brides shall be
sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE
Prophecy Timelines)





 

My use of different color font, different size font, italicizing, etc is for emphasis!

Please see comments within the above quote (there it is used to distinguish your words from mine).

You asked for the math to be examined, that's what I have done (from a mathematical standpoint).

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