Jump to content
Online Baptist

Cameron Giovanelli Resigns From Golden State Baptist College


Recommended Posts

  • Administrators
10 hours ago, Jamie Lynn said:

I grew up with Cameron and sadly attended the Baptist School his parents led for some time. This does not surprise many of us, due to the sick and twisted idealogies we were subjected to as children. 

Hello Jamie and welcome to Online Baptist. I'm curious to what these sick and twisted ideologies were. I'm only asking so that I can get a clearer understanding on the thinking of people who get involved in this.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
On 5/24/2018 at 8:08 PM, 1Timothy115 said:

Some of the points you mention above never get stale. I think it would be worthwhile to appear in another thread for Bible inputs, discussion and questions. Such as...home leadership & responsibilities, and best practice for counseling, etc. These things need to be refreshed frequently. We are in the cross hairs of Satan and his demons every minute. I've heard some things from Paul's epistles on these subjects but would love to hear them again. I hope you start a thread.

Sounds good, Brother, where do you think it should be started?

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 6:10 PM, heartstrings said:

Sounds good, Brother, where do you think it should be started?

We don't have a 'Bible-based Behavior' forum. what about 'Christian Living' forum under 'Relationships and Family? Maybe the Questions For Baptists or The Lounge?

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
On ‎5‎/‎23‎/‎2018 at 11:57 PM, heartstrings said:

Where, in the Bible, does it say that the husband is to be the "leader" anyway?

Now, don't get me wrong here - I am not disagreeing with your general points, but to answer this specific question:

1Ti 3:4-5  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (5)  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
 

I know this is specific to Pastors, but it makes that point that a man should "rule his house well". This is talking about rank and position - the Man is the "ruler" or "leader" of his house.

Before I get a big backlash and a pummelling from all and sundry, this general issue is one that I have long been concerned about - so many men do not how to "rule their house well" in a genuinely Biblical sense.

It is not for a man to a totalitarian ruler, and a man certainly doesn't rule alone - He is after all part of "one flesh" formed at marriage.

And a man should always remember that he rules his house in (Biblical) love.

And I also agree with you that there seems to be a huge "Man bashing" sentiment going around in certain preaching. 

Without a doubt, there needs to be BIBLICAL teaching on marriage relationships and family relationships, and much of what is passed off as "Family teaching" and "Marriage teaching" is not very biblical at all.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
On 6/2/2018 at 9:18 AM, DaveW said:

Now, don't get me wrong here - I am not disagreeing with your general points, but to answer this specific question:

1Ti 3:4-5  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (5)  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
 

I know this is specific to Pastors, but it makes that point that a man should "rule his house well". This is talking about rank and position - the Man is the "ruler" or "leader" of his house.

Before I get a big backlash and a pummelling from all and sundry, this general issue is one that I have long been concerned about - so many men do not how to "rule their house well" in a genuinely Biblical sense.

It is not for a man to a totalitarian ruler, and a man certainly doesn't rule alone - He is after all part of "one flesh" formed at marriage.

And a man should always remember that he rules his house in (Biblical) love.

And I also agree with you that there seems to be a huge "Man bashing" sentiment going around in certain preaching. 

Without a doubt, there needs to be BIBLICAL teaching on marriage relationships and family relationships, and much of what is passed off as "Family teaching" and "Marriage teaching" is not very biblical at all.

This is part of my point. The Bible uses the word "rule" but men have softened it to "leader". Yes, I agree that it is to be in love and is not to be totalitarian, but it seems to me that the word "rule" conveys much more "authority" than "leader" does. A husband should not HAVE to impose a dictatorial rule over his house if the rest of the family do their part. I hear this all the time(paraphrasing): "If the husband will "lead" the wife will automatically just follow". That is simply not true. It takes both, working together with the same goal: to unify and solidify the family. Many women say "How do I get my husband to "lead?" And men say "my wife won't submit". Someone needs to SHOW them how!

Years ago, when I was a young Christian, my Wife and I were invited to our pastor's home for dinner. During the meal, the pastor scolded his wife about the something he found wrong with the meatloaf. But then thsi same pastor would chide men from the pulpit about "not leading their homes"! Wouldn't it be best to show them HOW? You don't do that by cutting down her meatloaf if front of the guests. Read 1 Peter chapter 3...the whole chapter. It explains what the husband and wife are supposed to do. But it's up to Christians to LIVE it out before others so they can see HOW. Yes, the husband is supposed to be the RULER of the house, but it will never happen if he isn't shown how to love and the order of the home will never be right if the wife isn't taught how to submit or, heaven forbid the phrase, "be in subjection". Contrary to what the world thinks, neither is a bad thing! And you don't have to call the husband a mere "leader" when God's word says he's to be the "ruler". I will start a thread when I get time. Must get back to work.

One more thing, I would add, and it's very important. When the pastor scolded his wife in front of us, I don't recall her talking back or saying anything other than maybe "I'm sorry". She was a Godly Christian lady, who always had a smile, and everyone loved her. You will find the Godly way she behaved mentioned in 1 Peter chapter 3, particularly verses 1 and 2.  SHE was being the "leader" that day.

Edited by heartstrings
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 1 month later...
  • Administrators

One of my biggest complaints when something like this happens to a preacher that they just go to another church/ministry. I'm not following this case too closely, but I hoping that is not the case here. (I've only heard one side of the story here so I'm kinda leaning toward that). 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 1 year later...
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist

I believe Mr Giovanelli landed in Jacksonville Florida (Pastor Greg Neal) at Immanuel Baptist, and was positioned to lead their new Bible College that I believe was to open in 2020.  If this is all true, it truly saddens me, as between this and the guy at the church in Hammond give IFB a bad name.

Edited by 1John2:15-17
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Moderators

Since this topic has risen once again, I habe heard that there's news on the topic, but habent heard what it is.

I never have my thoughts on this, but I believe that first off, NVBC did right in how they handled it on their end; the offense did not occur at their church or school, and a careful investigation was made to ensure nothing had occurred with the students. As well Giovanelli was immediately removed from all duties once the issue was made known to them, and they began their investigation into it. I know Shiflett didn't find this to be enough in his eyes, but since the allegations were made by only one witness, scripturally what do we see? 1 Timothy 5:19 KJV
"Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses."

So with only one witness, and that shakey, I think, having waited how many years to say anything, and at this point I still don't even know what the accusation was, it was correct how the church proceeded. 

As for what he is doing now, the allegations are public, his current church knows about it, and as far as I understand Giovanelli has submitted himself to authorities while the investigation continues.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 3 months later...
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
  • 1 month later...
  • Administrators
On 1/9/2020 at 7:39 PM, HappyChristian said:

Yes, I saw that. I see that he was removed off North Florida Baptist College website and not listed on the church staff either. I don't understand why a church would hire him during the investigation. 

Part of the agreement is that Giovanelli does not have to register as a sex offender. If he did do what was claimed, he got off way to easy.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Independent Fundamental Baptist

Never, ever be alone with the opposite sex or someone else's children/grandchildren. That way you are far less likely to be falsely accused. And never leave your kids alone with someone else, even a preacher or deacon: If a preacher or deacon is what he ought to be, he will insist on that as well. Our church always has two attendants in the nursery, and "children's church" at all times.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Who's Online   0 Members, 0 Anonymous, 63 Guests (See full list)

    There are no registered users currently online

  • Tell a friend

    Love Online Baptist? Tell a friend!
  • Members

    No members to show

  • Recent Status Updates

    • Alan

      Happy Birthday John Young! God Bless! 🍰
      · 1 reply
    • KJV ME!

      Now it is time for me to step out of my shell and let go... I AM STRICT KJV!... In scripture God said he would preserve his word... Well did he or didn't he?... If there is every translation under the sun, then he didn't but I KNOW HE DID!... The preserved word of God called the KJV is for the English people has been around for over 400 years and what is interesting to me, is the KJV was translated in 1611 and the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620... Coincidence?... A new book the preserved KJV word of God for the New World... So take that you KJV naysayers... I have been reading, studying and digging through the KJV for over 50 years... My belief is 100% Christ and scripture says so... Glad to be here and its time to take these shackles off!   
      John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
      I am... Brother Ramsey
       
      · 1 reply
    • stan1964stanssb

      Praise God I found such a powerhouse of the outpouring of His Spirit and unapologetic in regards of the defense of the KJV Bible. When I became a Christian back in 1984, I was told to get & read the KJV. It's been my choice all these years.
      · 0 replies
    • 1Timothy115  »  Ukulelemike

      Mike,
      RE: This is why I am here, why are you?
      Also, the land in Egypt wasn't land God gave them it was land Joseph through Pharaoh gave them. God gave them Canaan.
      Dave 
      · 1 reply
    • Alan

      Praise the Lord! Sherry and I, safe, tired, and joyful,  are back in Taiwan.
      · 0 replies
  • Popular Now

  • Forum Statistics

    • Total Topics
      27,454
    • Total Posts
      279,169
  • Topics

  • Recent Status Updates

    • Alan

      Happy Birthday John Young! God Bless! 🍰
      · 1 reply
    • KJV ME!

      Now it is time for me to step out of my shell and let go... I AM STRICT KJV!... In scripture God said he would preserve his word... Well did he or didn't he?... If there is every translation under the sun, then he didn't but I KNOW HE DID!... The preserved word of God called the KJV is for the English people has been around for over 400 years and what is interesting to me, is the KJV was translated in 1611 and the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620... Coincidence?... A new book the preserved KJV word of God for the New World... So take that you KJV naysayers... I have been reading, studying and digging through the KJV for over 50 years... My belief is 100% Christ and scripture says so... Glad to be here and its time to take these shackles off!   
      John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
      I am... Brother Ramsey
       
      · 1 reply
    • stan1964stanssb

      Praise God I found such a powerhouse of the outpouring of His Spirit and unapologetic in regards of the defense of the KJV Bible. When I became a Christian back in 1984, I was told to get & read the KJV. It's been my choice all these years.
      · 0 replies
    • 1Timothy115  »  Ukulelemike

      Mike,
      RE: This is why I am here, why are you?
      Also, the land in Egypt wasn't land God gave them it was land Joseph through Pharaoh gave them. God gave them Canaan.
      Dave 
      · 1 reply
    • Alan

      Praise the Lord! Sherry and I, safe, tired, and joyful,  are back in Taiwan.
      · 0 replies
×
×
  • Create New...