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22 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

 

I thought this was worth re-quoting. I think it refutes the notion that 1 Cor 7 allows remarriage.

Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but that website you cited teaches the false doctrine that Christians can LOSE their salvation.

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On 10/2/2018 at 12:33 PM, (Omega) said:

Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but that website you cited teaches the false doctrine that Christians can LOSE their salvation.

Didn't realize that, I think they also teach baptismal regeneration it seems. However, that doesn't mean the comments on 1 Cor 7...even Catholics are right about the Deity of Christ and the Trinity. 

 

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I understand that Jordan, which is why I made the disclaimer of having no intention to prove that the author of that thesis was somehow guilty of eisegesis regarding 1 Corinthians chapter 7. But he (Wayne Jackson) is the same author who holds to the false doctrine that Christian's can lose their salvation. I would never be concerned about you not having the ability to rightly divide the word of truth. I know that you most certainly can as it is evident in your posts. Keep on truckin in your pursuit for the absolute and irrefutable truths contained in sacred scripture. I look forward to your future posts! I'm here to learn from my brethren. :)

God Bless!

 

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After looking at these passages presented, I've come to this conclusion:

Marry a believer

* a getting to know or courtship period is necessary, people sometimes are unpredictable or give false information, so making sure a mate is saved is a vital aspect before tying the knot

If in a marriage with a non-believer, either:

* stay if he's acceptable and treats you nicely

* leave if he's abusive or unbearable, however stay separated but don't remarry

Now, Jordan stated that a man should accept a cheating spouse, but what man does that? I've seen how men stop loving cheating wives, it affects men more than women who are more prone to forgive cheating husbands. Still, a painful betrayal in both cases

 

 

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On 6/26/2018 at 9:40 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Oh, I definitely have thoughts on the matter; but there is simply no way that I can add yet another heavy doctrinal discussion to my schedule.  I am already a bit overloaded with that in which I am involved at present.  

One thought for consideration -

Does "hardness of heart" refer to an unforgiving heart (that is -- the refusal of the one against whom the fornication was committed to forgive)?
Or does "hardness of heart" refer to an unrepentant heart (that is -- the refusal of the one who has committed the fornication to repent thereof)?

If the first is the case, then Joseph's consideration to put away Mary (when he thought that she had committed fornication against him) would indicate a "hardness of heart" in Joseph's case.  Yet to me such an accusation against Joseph seems completely contrary to that which is revealed in Matthew 1 about his character and consideration.

Pastor Markle,

Both the unforgiving heart and the unrepentant heart are hardened. However, Joseph had neither. During that time, putting away the woman you are betrothed to when they commit fornication is not wrong; it was permissible in the law. The Bible even says he was going to put her away privately so as not to embarrass her, which is not something a person with a hardened heart would do. The change of heart for Joseph happened in verse 20 of Matthew 1 when the angel of the Lord appeared to him and told him that Mary's conception is not that of a man but by the Holy Spirit of God. This was the reason why Joseph did not put Mary away. Matthew 1 is clear about this topic.

 

Blessings to you.

 

 

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On 4/21/2018 at 12:32 PM, Jordan Kurecki said:

Does Jesus divorce us and end his relationship with us when we are unfaithful to him?
 

Just remember the above is not scripture. divorce and remarriage are sinsas I understand them. I sinned twice and Christ forgave me of both. Yes, I repented and it is under the blood, just as much as any other sin you may have committed. Consider yourself before you labor your mind on these two sins. God hates ALL sin, equally...maybe, God knows.

It was  a sin in my life, to divorce my wife for fornication...regardless of the fact fornication was acknowledged. Thank God that through Jesus' work forgiveness was assured when we sin. Please consider the following...

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. ~ Mark 3:28-30

...AND...

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. ~ John 8:10-11

...also, was the following woman saved?

16   Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. 41 And many more believed because of his own word; ~ John 4:17-18, 41

 

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On 10/3/2018 at 6:00 PM, *Light* said:

the false doctrine that Christian's can lose their salvation.

Then of course, there is the clear Scripture that on Judgment Day,  A Multitude of Christians who were sure they were saved (apparently) right up to the day they died, 

to whom Jesus Himself Says 'be gone' and at that point it is too late to repent, be immersed, be saved.

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And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
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Noting that Peter did repent,  was immersed in Jesus' (Name/Life),  and is saved.

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1 hour ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Just remember the above is not scripture. divorce and remarriage are sinsas I understand them.

Amen.  Just as the Father in heaven reveals absolutely and clearly in His Word and His Spirit. 

It seems that sin in many (all?)  areas is 'approved' by the worldly and actually promoted by them opposed to God. (noting the astronomical increase in sin in all areas including divorce and remarriage and idolatry and greed, and , well,  all society and almost all 'churches'. )

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The Spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak(Matthew 26:41).

I am unfortunately divorced not by choice. I understand how hard it is to accept the narrative that God would command an innocent party or anyone for that matter to remain unmarried or reconcile after a divorce. The decision to pick up your cross daily and follow Christ is not an easy task, but it is possible with His continuous help (Philippians 4:13-17). He will never leave us nor forsake us, as long as we continue to rely on Him (Deuteronomy 31:6).  

Unfortunately, there is so much misinterpretation of God's word that we need to be very careful what narrative of God's word we are following or believing. It is crucial to our salvation! God has a stern admonition to pastors and leaders or any individual who lead God's people astray with lies and their own interpretation of erroneous narratives of God's word (Jeremiah 23). We should not add to God's word nor take away from His word by our own interpretation (Revelation 22:19). God's word, His Holy Scriptures are not for private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21). I would like to make this statement clear that divorce in and of itself is not a sin. Yes! God hates divorce! (Malachi 2:16) But divorce itself is not the sin. God divorced Israel in (Jeremiah 3:8) because is bride committed whoredom against Him. How heartbroken God was with Israel's condition of sin against Him. But after God divorced Israel and gave them an ultimatum in (Jeremiah 23:14) God pleaded with whoredom Israel after a bill of divorce to return to Him for He is STILL married to them. God did not go searching for a new bride. This shows that the bill of divorce was a separated time period but not a dissolving of the marital covenant between Him and Israel. They were still married. Divorce only separated the union while one party was still remaining in sin. God's whole purpose was to reconcile with whoredom Israel, but only under the condition of change from Israel sinful ways. A condition has to be met.

In regards to (Matthew 19) when the Pharisees came to tempt Jesus on the issue of divorce and remarriage and to justify their causes, Jesus reinstated the sacredness of the marital union and confirmed in (Matthew 19:6) that when mankind (anyone, Christian or non-Christian) take part of the marital union which is God's Holy institution, they accept the ordinance of what is joined together under this Godly institution, and that no man on earth can put it asunder. Man's decree cannot dissolve the marital union, it only separate the individuals in that union. As humans, it so hard for us to accept the consequence of our actions. But we cannot escape it. If we do not face these consequences now, we will have no choice but to face our consequences on the day of judgement. When we choose to get married without consulting God and waiting upon Him, we make our lives much harder. God is not to be blamed, we are. I understand that many of us prayed and believed the person we marry was God's answer to our prayers, or we found ourselves in situations that allowed us to make unwise decisions to marry. No matter the reason or the cause the devil created a deception and we fell for it. We need to own up to our mistakes and sincerely seek God's forgiveness and guidance according to His Holy word. Many of us need deliverance from Hardness of Hearts.

I know this subject touches the deep matters of the heart. But our hearts will deceive us, especially when it wants its own desires (Jeremiah 17:9). Not everything that feels good to us, is good for us.

Matthew 19:9 has been used as the exception clause passage to appease our reasoning for remarriage. The bible clearly states that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established (2 Corinthians 13:1). In Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9 Jesus explanation for the only reason you can divorce a spouse is during the betrothal period with good reasoning. Matthews writing was to the Jews and their custom for marriage was very strict. The Greek word for fornication is porneia and the Greek word for adultery is moicheia. Porneia refers to fornication and can also refer to a range of sexual sins, including marital unfaithfulness and moicheia is the sexual sin of adultery. However, in context Matthew used the two words interchangeable which shows that he was addressing the sins in their specificity. The betrothal period in the Jewish custom was liken to a marriage. In (Luke 16:18) and (Mark 10:11-12) we can see that Luke and Mark account for good reasons does not talk about the betrothal period. In 1 Corinthians 7:39 shows that marriage is liken unto the vows we take until death do we part. Why make such promises if it will not be kept. We should not make promises we cannot keep, we will be held accountable for them. 1 Corinthians 6:9 states the condition of those who partake in such sins. Note that adultery and fornication are specifically addressed in their own entity. In Matthew 10:5 Jesus commissioned His disciples to minister to the lost sheep of Israel first before going to the Gentiles and the Samaritans. For good reason, Israel will have no excuse, because Jesus came to them His own first (John 1:11-14). We will have no excuse because the gospel came to us through the word of God (Matthew 24:14).

 

Reflective Points

 Although divorce is permitted, neither party is free to remarry. Only if one dies may the other ex-spouse marry. As far as this view of the Bible is concerned, a married couple can separate. They can even obtain a divorce from the courts. But God considers that the bonds of the original marriage contract continue. Thus, any remarriage would be illicit.

Marry someone who is not bound to another (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:6) – Of course, we must not be bound to another, either.

Remain in that marriage for a lifetime. Once bound, God intended a man a woman to not be separated (Matthew 19:4-6) until death (Romans 7:2-3).

If separated, remain unmarried or be reconciled (1 Corinthians 7:10-11). When we sin, we cannot go back and undo our transgressions. We must repent and live with the consequences. If one becomes separated from the one to whom he was lawfully bound, his options are to either remain unmarried (if his wife will not have him back) or be reconciled (if she will take him back). There is no third option to marry another.

Sometimes reconciliation is impossible and its okay. Not having a romantic relationship is not a death sentence. As humans we need “Love” to thrive, not romantic love. Love for God, family, friends, neighbors etc; is sufficient. Jesus commission us to love everyone. When we have love in our heart there will be no void or emptiness (1 John 4:8). The love of God completes us. 

Repentance Requires turning away from whatever sin we are asking for forgiveness from

Repent. One who is in an adulterous marriage is guilty of adultery (Matthew 19:9; Romans 7:3). The word of God is clear in its condemnation of the sin of adultery (1 Corinthians 6:9; Hebrews 13:4). Repentance is a prerequisite for forgiveness (Luke 13:3, 5; Acts 8:21-22).

How does one repent of adultery? One repents of adultery by stopping the adultery. Repentance requires an end to the adulterous relationship – even if this relationship is an adulterous marriage. When the people of Ezra’s day were guilty of marrying foreign wives (Ezra 10:10) – a violation of God’s marriage law under the Law of Moses (Deuteronomy 7:3) – Ezra gave them this command: “Now therefore, make confession to the Lord God of your fathers and do His will; and separate yourselves from the peoples of the land and from the foreign wives” (Ezra 10:11)

 Adulterous remarriage is not the unpardonable sin or unforgivable sin. However, if any individual is remarried to another who have a living spouse they are committing the act of adultery everyday of their life. They cannot simply ask God to forgive them and carry on as normal in the adulterous marriage. They are remaining in the sin. They have to forsake that sin, by putting it away, making the way clear for God’s forgiveness.

God cannot forgive when we continue in sin, He only forgives when sin is  sincerely repented of and put away, forsaken, abandon, leave, give up, leave behind, renounced, deserted, quit period. (Forsaken also includes giving up something valued or pleasant)

Please I implore you all to study God’s word for yourself to show yourselves approve (2 Timothy 2:15). Do not depend upon pastors, leaders or anyone that can lead you astray with soothing words and misinterpretation of scripture. As Christians we are all called to give an answer for the hope we have in God's Holy word (1 Peter 3:15-16). We will be held responsible for the vows we break. The marriage vow states “till death do we part” even if the other party break their vows you are responsible for staying true to the vows you made. A marital vow is not made only between two parties, but also to God who is the author and head of the marital institution (Deuteronomy 23:21, Ecclesiastes 5:4-6, Psalm 15:4). A vow is made to be kept. If you are a true follower of God you would desire to do what thus saith the Lord, no matter how difficult it may seem to you. Remember, God give us strength to make it through difficulties. Rely on Him. He will never fail you.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

God’s grace is sufficient, but not sufficient for us to remain willing in sin. His word brings light and truth to us so that we can be cleanse from ALL unrighteousness.

Remember: God loves us all. Jesus said if we belong to Him, we shall know the truth, and the truth shall set us free.

What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his soul (Mark 8:36).

God’s grace is sufficient, not sufficient for us to remain in sin but to free us from sin.

I hope and pray we all desire to be set free from the bondage of sin. It will be worth it all. Let us pray for each other. There is a Heaven to gain and a Hell to shun. Our salvation is worth more than any happiness here on this earth that would keep us from being with our Lord and Savior for all eternity.

Blessings to you all.

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5 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Just remember the above is not scripture. divorce and remarriage are sinsas I understand them. I sinned twice and Christ forgave me of both. Yes, I repented and it is under the blood, just as much as any other sin you may have committed. Consider yourself before you labor your mind on these two sins. God hates ALL sin, equally...maybe, God knows.

It was  a sin in my life, to divorce my wife for fornication...regardless of the fact fornication was acknowledged. Thank God that through Jesus' work forgiveness was assured when we sin. Please consider the following...

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. ~ Mark 3:28-30

...AND...

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. ~ John 8:10-11

...also, was the following woman saved?

16   Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. 17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: 18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. 41 And many more believed because of his own word; ~ John 4:17-18, 41

 

 

3 hours ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

Amen.  Just as the Father in heaven reveals absolutely and clearly in His Word and His Spirit. 

It seems that sin in many (all?)  areas is 'approved' by the worldly and actually promoted by them opposed to God. (noting the astronomical increase in sin in all areas including divorce and remarriage and idolatry and greed, and , well,  all society and almost all 'churches'. )

Thanks Martyr, but more needs to be quoted and said. Yes, that anyone can be forgiven and repentance is a turn from sin never to do it again. So, I will never again divorce or remarry, once committing those sins was bad enough. Is there some pharisaical law I've over-stepped, too bad, I'm not trusting any Pharisee for my eternal security. Please show me which sin Christ's blood was insufficient to cover, divorce or remarriage.

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30 minutes ago, 1Timothy115 said:

 

Thanks Martyr, but more needs to be quoted and said. Yes, that anyone can be forgiven and repentance is a turn from sin never to do it again. So, I will never again divorce or remarry, once committing those sins was bad enough. Is there some pharisaical law I've over-stepped, too bad, I'm not trusting any Pharisee for my eternal security. Please show me which sin Christ's blood was insufficient to cover, divorce or remarriage.

What do you mean ?  Why did you ask for (how or why did it even come up)  and who do you want to show you which sin Christ's blood doesn't cover ?     

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(A bigger picture, much bigger than divorce and remarriage, concerning sin not forgiven)

Eight sins are listed in The Apocalypse in chapter 21 verse 8.  (notice the very first one in the verse)

If someone is there, as written, their judgment,  their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death,   

at that point will it matter at all why ?  No.  God's Perfect Judgement and Justice cannot be changed.  By the time a person's life ends in the first death,  it is too late , it is final,  it cannot thereafter be changed one jot or tittle. 

"Revelation 21:8

"King James Version

" But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

 

Thus the Scripture is fulfilled** exactly as written: the penalty for sin is death.   

These results are seen on Judgement Day if not sooner.  (often the results of sin, whether only temporary or eternal,  may be seen while still alive in the world, before the first death)

**And there is yet another way Scripture may be /is/ fulfilled perfectly as written:  if someone sins a sin not leading to death,   (as God means in Scripture),   and The Perfect Lamb of God is crucified,  paying the penalty for sin,  as God Planned with His Son Jesus before even Creating anything at all.

So what then happens to the divorced ?   God knows if they are fearful,  unbelieving, abominable,  murderer, whoremonger, sorcerer, idolater , or liar.  

And the re-married ?  God knows if they are fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderer, whoremonger, sorcerer, idolater, or liar.

 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

(A bigger picture, much bigger than divorce and remarriage, concerning sin not forgiven)

Eight sins are listed in The Apocalypse in chapter 21 verse 8.  (notice the very first one in the verse)

If someone is there, as written, their judgment,  their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death,   

at that point will it matter at all why ?  No.  God's Perfect Judgement and Justice cannot be changed.  By the time a person's life ends in the first death,  it is too late , it is final,  it cannot thereafter be changed one jot or tittle. 

"Revelation 21:8

"King James Version

" But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

 

Thus the Scripture is fulfilled** exactly as written: the penalty for sin is death.   

These results are seen on Judgement Day if not sooner.  (often the results of sin, whether only temporary or eternal,  may be seen while still alive in the world, before the first death)

**And there is yet another way Scripture may be /is/ fulfilled perfectly as written:  if someone sins a sin not leading to death,   (as God means in Scripture),   and The Perfect Lamb of God is crucified,  paying the penalty for sin,  as God Planned with His Son Jesus before even Creating anything at all.

So what then happens to the divorced ?   God knows if they are fearful,  unbelieving, abominable,  murderer, whoremonger, sorcerer, idolater , or liar.  

And the re-married ?  God knows if they are fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderer, whoremonger, sorcerer, idolater, or liar.

 

 

 

I thank Jesus Christ, He is the one doing the forgiving not a man of this earth. I am forgiven according to His word.

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1 hour ago, 1Timothy115 said:

I thank Jesus Christ, He is the one doing the forgiving not a man of this earth. I am forgiven according to His word.

REJOICE!

Psalm 32

1{A Psalm of David, Maschil.} Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

3When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.

4For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.

5I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

6For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.

7Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.

8I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

9Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.

10Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.

11Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

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