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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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1 hour ago, robycop3 said:

  I believe the troublemaker will be a planet-size object coming toward earth from parts unknown, but under God's control. As Luke quoted from Jesus, mens' hearts will fail them for fear of what they see coming upon the earth.  I mean, if it appears another planet is gonna collide with the earth, what could any human do about it???????

  Also, such an object could cause all the plagues of the Revelation, I. E. the "great trib", as well as the partial obscuring of the light of the sun & moon by smoke & dust from large fires & volcanism.  Also, the known planets have many rocks & boulders orbiting them, so, if a planet approaches earth, some of them will be caused to fall upon the earth, & one of them will doubtlessly be the meteor strikes of Revelation, as well as the falling stars of Matt. 24:29-30.

  And I at least partially agree with Eric's post above. Also, another planet's gravity could alter earth's rotational speed and inclination on its axis, as well as distorting the atmosphere to allow the full power of the sun's rays to come through & scorch men.

Robycop3 The blast (probably nuclear) of strangers will destroy the vail (probably the ozone layer) over the whole earth. It will burn up and roll up as a scroll.

Isaiah 25:4-7

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

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On 3/9/2019 at 4:35 PM, Eric Stahl said:

Robycop3 The blast (probably nuclear) of strangers will destroy the vail (probably the ozone layer) over the whole earth. It will burn up and roll up as a scroll.

Isaiah 25:4-7

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.

Sounds more like judgement day to me.

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

No the final judgement.

 

When the ozone layer burns the sun will burn the earth.

Revelation 16:8-9

8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

 

Isaiah 30:25-26

25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

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 Now, why do I believe another planet will be the apparent cause of the disasters? First, God said He'll send strong delusion on the followers of the beast, so they won't believe, so they'll have a secular explanation for the disasters - "bad luck, poor karma", etc.  Second, meteors, comets, eclipses, etc. are not unusual sights & are not fear-inspiring to most people. The signs/sights in the sky will be quite unusual. Also, Jesus said the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. This begs the question, "What is meant by 'powers of the heavens'?" Those "powers" are the apparent courses celestial objects follow in the sky, including the regular rising/setting of the sun, etc. Another planet's approach would alter earth's rotation on its axis and also the axial tilt. 

  This has happened before, as it's been proven that the year was once only 360 days long, from both Scripture & secular records worldwide.

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1 hour ago, robycop3 said:

Now, why do I believe the year was once only 360 days long.. This begs the question, cause of the disasters? 

First, God said strone.

I believe This will be quite unusual. 

This has happened before.

including the regular rising/setting for the disasters -

it's been proven

What is meant by 'powers of the heavens'?"

they'll have a secular explanation

meteors, comets, eclipses, bad luck, poor karma", etc.

The signs/sights in the sky will be the regular rising/setting of the sun

 

Those are your words, and that's what I believe you said, and my audience wants to hear it.

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  The ancient peoples didn't miscalculate the length of the year by 5 1/4 days. had they done so, their agricultural seasons would be off by a month in only 5 years.

 

   Seems the year & month were made into their current lengths in the time of Hezekiah, late 700s BC when God caused the sun to move retrograde for a time.(2 kings 20:11) This event was noted in China as a long night. In North America, the Pawnee Indians have a legend that the sun had started to rise, but saw a hare waiting to entrap mim, so he retreated for awhile til the hare grew tired & left.  There had been about 15 years of confusion about the lengths of the year & month before that worldwide, and that's some of why the Romans had names for only ten months for awhile.(December refers to TENTH, not twelth.)

 

    I believe  similar events will happen again, at the end of the great trib as part of the great cosmological disturbance Jesus prophesied in Matt. 24:29-30.

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You do know that the Hebrews add an extra month every coupla years or so to make up for the difference between the solar year and the lunar year don't you?

 

And by the way, the Roman months that don't relate to their position in the year are more than December.

SEPTember - 7th - 9th month.

OCTober - 8th - 10th month.

NOvember - 9th - 11th month.

And the reason they are out of place is because of vain Ceasars, like Augustus, adding in a month for himself.....

 

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51 minutes ago, DaveW said:

You do know that the Hebrews add an extra month every coupla years or so to make up for the difference between the solar year and the lunar year don't you?[/quote]

  Yes. When the actual solar & lunar timing was changed, the Hebrews, rather than making a new calendar,  altered their old one. Many jews still refer to the last 5 days of their year, and 6 days in "leap years" as "intercalary" days, or "days of nothing".

 

And by the way, the Roman months that don't relate to their position in the year are more than December.

SEPTember - 7th - 9th month.

OCTober - 8th - 10th month.

NOvember - 9th - 11th month.

And the reason they are out of place is because of vain Ceasars, like Augustus, adding in a month for himself.....

  Right. But for awhile there were only 10 months in their calendar, some with 35 or 36 days. Before that, they had 12 months of 30 days each with the 360-day year, as did the rest of the world.

    BTW, have you ever heard the theory that the earth & Mars once used to have close encounters every 15 years for awhile, and that's why the surface of Mars loox like an artillery range, once having gigantic volcanoes, with earth's much-greater gravity doing the damage as well as stripping away most of Mars' atmosphere, also  causing Mars' rotation & axial tilt to be similar to ours? That theory also says the last close encounter caused the earth to wobble retrograde briefly & caused earthquakes & volcanoes to occur in various places. It also slung the lighter Mars into its current orbit.

  It's very possible God could use another planet-size body to bring about the plagues of the great trib.

  However, I don't believe any of this is set in stone, of course. The only things that are sure is that these events will occur, precisely as written in their original languages.

 

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I've heard all sorts of weird and totally unsubstantiated theories.... some of them very recently.....

The fact is that the reason for the 360 day year has nothing to do with a "change" in anything - it is to do with the difference between the lunar and solar years.... that's it.

Nothing to do with any sort of weird theory.....

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2 hours ago, DaveW said:

I've heard all sorts of weird and totally unsubstantiated theories.... some of them very recently.....

The fact is that the reason for the 360 day year has nothing to do with a "change" in anything - it is to do with the difference between the lunar and solar years.... that's it.

Nothing to do with any sort of weird theory.....

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 Well, really, it's because the solar year was once only 360 days long. A little reminder - the ancient people all over the world were  very dependent upon agriculture & animan husbandry for their survival, and  if their seasons became off by a month,  disaster would've resulted. They counted the days & observed the shadows of sunrise/sunset to determine the solstices. Naturally, the solar year was more-important to them than was the lunar year.

 

  At my home, looking out a certain window, the sun sets behind a utility pole to our southwest at winter solstice, with sunset being a little more northerly each day til the summer solstice when it sets exactly behind the chimney of a building to our northwest. (opposite of your solstices in Australia)

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  The destruction of the ozone layer by man is mostly another New-age-Liberal fake alarm. Anyone who's been around an arc welder in use has smelled ozone within a wide radius around it I work in a steel mill with electric-arc furnaces, and a large amount of ozone is generated from them. Tanning booths make a quantity of ozone. Lightning produces it.(At any time, there over 100 lightning flashes a second occurring worldwide.)And, of course, the main source is the sun, shining over more than half the atmosphere 24/7. If something were to destroy the entire ozone layer in an instant, it would be renewed within hours.

 

  A time when the sun did indeed scorch places on earth occurred during the cosmic disturbance which  temporarily glommed up the earth's rotation in Hezekiah's time, 700s BC, causing the sun to appear to move retrograde as per 2 Kings 20:11. This event was recorded all over earth, as a long night by the Chinese, with retrograde star movement. But some Greex & Ethiopians also described some scorching of the earth at that time. Apparently, the disturbance moved parts of the atmosphere aside temporarily as well as wobbling the world on its axis.

 

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On 3/17/2019 at 7:59 AM, DaveW said:

You do know that the Hebrews add an extra month every coupla years or so to make up for the difference between the solar year and the lunar year don't you?

 

And by the way, the Roman months that don't relate to their position in the year are more than December.

SEPTember - 7th - 9th month.

OCTober - 8th - 10th month.

NOvember - 9th - 11th month.

And the reason they are out of place is because of vain Ceasars, like Augustus, adding in a month for himself.....

 

 Well, actually, Dave, adding to the calendar (intercalary days, "days of nothing") didn't become necessary ti the 700s BC after the sun went retrograde for Hezekiah. And  for awhile after that, about 15 years, there were only 10 months according to the solar cycle. After that, the year once again became 12 months.

 

  BTW, the "terrible ones" of Isaiah 25:4-5 & 29:5 were called "maruts" by the Persians, as well as 'terrible ones'. They were associated with the planet Mars by the Persians, & it seems they were balls of fire that fell to earth. This phenomenon was associated with the disturbance that wobbled earth on its axis as per Isaiah 38:8 & 2 Kings 20:11. Apparently, the planet Mars was the agent God employed for this work. It explains why there was an unnatural fear of both Mars & Venus for centuries, while both are quite-harmless & beautiful today.

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18 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

Well, actually, dave, adding to the calendar (intercalary days, "days of nothing") didn't become necessary ti the 700s BC after the sun went retrograde for Hezekiah. And  for awhile after that, about 15 years, there were only 10 months according to the solar cycle. After that, the year once again became 12 months.

Proof please? Any evidence to substantiate these claims...…. Preferably Biblical evidence... that's kinda important to me and a few others on this site.

 

Isa 38:8 KJV
(8)  Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.
2Ki 20:11 KJV
(11)  And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

I see no mention of a "wobble" in either of those passages, nor do I see mention of balls of fire.

In fact, the ten degrees backwards is associated with the healing of Hezekiah, and according to those Biblical passages has nothing to do with fireballs, Mars, or Venus.

And it would seem that Hezekiah was an Israelite, not a Persian, so why bring them into it?????

 

21 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

BTW, the "terrible ones" of Isaiah 25:4-5 & 29:5 were called "maruts" by the Persians, as well as 'terrible ones'. They were associated with the planet Mars by the Persians, & it seems they were balls of fire that fell to earth. This phenomenon was associated with the disturbance that wobbled earth on its axis as per Isaiah 38:8 & 2 Kings 20:11. Apparently, the planet Mars was the agent God employed for this work. It explains why there was an unnatural fear of both Mars & Venus for centuries, while both are quite-harmless & beautiful today.

 

 

Isa 25:4-5 KJV
(4)  For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.
(5)  Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.
 

Isa 29:5 KJV
(5)  Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
 

If the Persians had some "terrible ones" that were associated with fireballs, then I would suggest that they were TOTALLY DIFFERENT to the "terrible ones" mentioned in these passages.

Where do you get this stuff from?

Do you just make it up?

Because it certainly doesn't seem to be very biblical.

 

And by the way, I don't know where you get this "Unnatural fear of Mars and Venus" from - the Romans worshipped them as gods, the Greeks also, although they had other names for them, and the Norse also - different names again. But Venus especially was not feared, being the goddess of love and all that...…...

Your made up stuff doesn't even make sense outside of the Bible let alone within it.....

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  Well, the shadow didn't move because the sundial did! And why does the sun appear to move? Cuz the earth rotates! And therefore when it appeared to move backwards, the earth's rotation had to have been disturbed.

  Try READING some detailed history boox & the works of Immanuel Velikovsky, among other things. I figure they're available in Australia.  And the maruts were also Hindu storm gods. Did you bang your head against Uluru a few too many times?

 

 

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6 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  Well, the shadow didn't move because the sundial did! And why does the sun appear to move? Cuz the earth rotates! And therefore when it appeared to move backwards, the earth's rotation had to have been disturbed.

  Try READING some detailed history boox & the works of Immanuel Velikovsky, among other things. I figure they're available in Australia.  And the maruts were also Hindu storm gods. Did you bang your head against Uluru a few too many times?

I believe the scripture not pagan writers.

Scripture only says the shadow went backwards.  This seemed to affect only Judah as the Babylonians came to see what had happened in the land.  Of course this could have been the recovery of Hezekiah.

 

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8 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  Well, the shadow didn't move because the sundial did! And why does the sun appear to move? Cuz the earth rotates! And therefore when it appeared to move backwards, the earth's rotation had to have been disturbed.

  Try READING some detailed history boox & the works of Immanuel Velikovsky, among other things. I figure they're available in Australia.  And the maruts were also Hindu storm gods. Did you bang your head against Uluru a few too many times?

 

 

I never disagreed that the earth 's rotation was affected, but it was not a "wobble". Nothing mentioned indicates a wobble. It mentions a specifically defined rotation event.

It nowhere mentions any after effects of this rotation, not for 15 years, not for 15 minutes.

It doesn't mention a change to the calendar because of it.

Your whole post has nothing to do with the verses you posted - I suspect you where hoping no one would bother to look them up.

And again, as Jerry just said - I believe the Scripture rather than the musings of some unbelieving writer writing history for their own ends.

As to "banging my head against Uluru.... that is just an offensive personal attack meant to demean me personally in the hope that people will ignore the lack of anything Biblical in your answer as they laugh at me.

Shame on you.

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On 8/24/2019 at 10:41 PM, robycop3 said:

  Well, the shadow didn't move because the sundial did! And why does the sun appear to move? Cuz the earth rotates! And therefore when it appeared to move backwards, the earth's rotation had to have been disturbed.

  Try READING some detailed history boox & the works of Immanuel Velikovsky, among other things. I figure they're available in Australia.  And the maruts were also Hindu storm gods. Did you bang your head against Uluru a few too many times?

 

 

And can I also point out that aside from trying to demean me personally, you still have not used any Scriptural evidence nor even relevant scripture reference, nor in fact have you provided any OTHER evidence apart from telling me to go read stuff.

But what you are ignorant of is that I DO READ and have read other stuff aside from the Bible, but I DON'T READ crackpot historical rewrites who promote all sorts of unbiblical theories.

And I can spell - aside from phone spelling mistakes caused by big fingers on small buttons and autocorrect.

You constantly make statements with no evidence that are non-biblical and sometimes anti-biblical and often even historically wrong and sometimes quite oddball, and then you demean me for not reading your wonky sources which you only reveal when pressed......

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