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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

"Repent of Your Sins" False gospel


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Repentance CANNOT save

 

I'm writing on the topic of repentance in regards to salvation because this is a subject that is very misinterpreted today, (even amongst Independent, Fundamental Baptists) and there’s a LOT of false teaching out there under the guise of repentance that is actually teaching a works-based salvation. The mistake that most people make is that, whenever they see the word "repent" in the Bible, they add these words after it:  “of your sins”.

So whenever they see the word "repent" they just automatically add "of sin"... repent of your sin.

In fact, they often think that just the word "repent" means to turn from sin, but the Bible does not teach that, and since the King James Holy Bible is the Word of God, it should be our final authority on doctrine.

I've noticed that typically, one can find the meaning of a word used in the Bible by searching for its first appearance, where it is often defined.  So before we study repentance in regard to salvation, let’s just get an understanding of what the word "repent" even means in the Bible, by going to its first use. To the best of my knowledge, that is in Exodus 32:12, we have Moses speaking to God:

 “Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath and repent of this evil against thy people.”

So we can see repent means "to turn".  Moses is pleading with God to turn from His anger or wrath towards his people. It continues...

“Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.” “And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.”

That proves that repenting does not mean "repent of your sins" because we KNOW God doesn’t have any sins, God never has sinned and God is perfect in EVERY way ---and yet--- did God repent in this scripture?

Yes, He did.

He turned..... He turned from one course of action unto another. He didn’t turn from sin, He turned from anger, He turned from his wrath, He turned from the judgement He was going to pour out. So we can be sure that repent does not mean to repent of your sins in order to be saved.

It's interesting to note, that if you do a word study on the word "repent" in the King James Bible (the ONLY Bible I will use), you'll discover that the one who "repents" the MOST in the entire Bible is : God!

"Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?  And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not." (Jonah 3:9-10)

“And God saw their works,” What did God see? Works. “ God saw their works,” now he is going to tell us what those works were: “that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”

That right there says when you turn from your evil way, that is your WORKS, so if you believe that a person has to turn from their evil way and believe on Christ, then here’s what you're saying is required to be saved: to believe on Christ and have works!

The Bible says salvation is without works and Jonah 3:10 says turning from your sins or turning from your evil ways is works, so that’s why this is such an important doctrine to understand and be clear on! 

Of course, the devil wants to get you to trust in your works to save you --- this goes all the way back to Cain and Abel, where Cain is trusting his works instead of the blood of the lamb, all the way back to the Tower of Babel, where they’re trying to do their works/build their way to heaven, and all throughout Galatians he warns us: It's a false gospel when you think that you are justified by works, all throughout Romans he tells us we are not justified by works.

All throughout the Bible God warns us.. 'trust Christ for salvation, don’t trust works' !

The devil wants to get in the back door, he doesn’t just want to come right out and say, 'trust works!' knowing good and well that the Bible says NOT to trust works, so he wants to deceive you so you think: 

"Well... it's not works but you do have to repent of your sins",

.....OR....

"Well.... I’m not saying it’s works but you can’t just live however you want, you gotta do something right... You gotta at least go to church three times a month or something, I mean you know you gotta do something right?"

NO !!

You have to do nothing because Jesus did everything, you believe on Christ, HIS works are sufficient, we don’t have to add anything to His works, JESUS CHRIST PAID IT ALL

 

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The apostle Peter told the Jews they needed to repent and be baptized. This is different from what Paul said. The things many Christians don't realize is that Peter was preaching to Jews, not Gentiles. Pentecost was a Jewish Feast Day. He accuses the Jews of killing Christ and that they needed to repent of this crime and get baptized.

This is where the misunderstanding come from. Those who adhere to a "works" theology, claim Peter taught repentance and baptism as necessary for salvation. But they miss the context. It's very important to know who was writing , to whom they wrote and what were the circumstances.

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3 hours ago, TheSword1227 said:

The apostle Peter told the Jews they needed to repent and be baptized. This is different from what Paul said. The things many Christians don't realize is that Peter was preaching to Jews, not Gentiles. Pentecost was a Jewish Feast Day. He accuses the Jews of killing Christ and that they needed to repent of this crime and get baptized.

This is where the misunderstanding come from. Those who adhere to a "works" theology, claim Peter taught repentance and baptism as necessary for salvation. But they miss the context. It's very important to know who was writing , to whom they wrote and what were the circumstances.

Actually, the Jews DID kill Christ. But that's another subject.

I believe we should, as believers, repent from our sins & strive to live a clean life, but that doesn't save. 

If we had to repent to be saved, NONE of us would go to Heaven! 

It's impossible to repent of ALL our sins, because we probably sin everyday because the Bible says even the thought of foolishness is sin.

Thank God for His grace & that salvation was paid for by Christ's righteousness, which is imputed on us who believe.

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Repentance and Faith are two sides of the same coin.  One cannot enter into His eternal rest without making Repentance to God and putting one's trust (Faith) in Jesus Christ.

Repentance for salvation is a one time event, turning to Christ from sin.  

Repentance is...  https://www.wayoflife.org/database/biblical_repentance.html

 

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“To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ” (John R. Rice, What Must I Do to Be Saved?, 1940).

“Repentance is a godly sorrow for sin. Repentance is a forsaking of sin. Real repentance is putting your trust in Jesus Christ so you will not live like that anymore. Repentance is permanent. It is a lifelong and an eternity-long experience. You will never love the devil again once you repent. You will never flirt with the devil as the habit of your life again once you get saved. You will never be happy living in sin; it will never satisfy; and the husks of the world will never fill your longing and hungering in your soul. Repentance is something a lot bigger than a lot of people think. It is absolutely essential if you go to heaven” (Lester Roloff, Repent or Perish, 1950s).

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1 hour ago, swathdiver said:

Repentance and Faith are two sides of the same coin.  One cannot enter into His eternal rest without making Repentance to God and putting one's trust (Faith) in Jesus Christ.

Repentance for salvation is a one time event, turning to Christ from sin.  

Repentance is...  https://www.wayoflife.org/database/biblical_repentance.html

 

An Excerpt:

“To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ” (John R. Rice, What Must I Do to Be Saved?, 1940).

“Repentance is a godly sorrow for sin. Repentance is a forsaking of sin. Real repentance is putting your trust in Jesus Christ so you will not live like that anymore. Repentance is permanent. It is a lifelong and an eternity-long experience. You will never love the devil again once you repent. You will never flirt with the devil as the habit of your life again once you get saved. You will never be happy living in sin; it will never satisfy; and the husks of the world will never fill your longing and hungering in your soul. Repentance is something a lot bigger than a lot of people think. It is absolutely essential if you go to heaven” (Lester Roloff, Repent or Perish, 1950s).

I agree. Peter was talking about a specific repentance for the Jews. He was handing down a 'murder indictment' against them for killing the Christ. Paul taught a different repentance. For salvation.

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On 6/26/2017 at 4:55 AM, swathdiver said:

Repentance and Faith are two sides of the same coin.  One cannot enter into His eternal rest without making Repentance to God and putting one's trust (Faith) in Jesus Christ.

Repentance for salvation is a one time event, turning to Christ from sin.  

Repentance is...  https://www.wayoflife.org/database/biblical_repentance.html

 

An Excerpt:

“To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ” (John R. Rice, What Must I Do to Be Saved?, 1940).

“Repentance is a godly sorrow for sin. Repentance is a forsaking of sin. Real repentance is putting your trust in Jesus Christ so you will not live like that anymore. Repentance is permanent. It is a lifelong and an eternity-long experience. You will never love the devil again once you repent. You will never flirt with the devil as the habit of your life again once you get saved. You will never be happy living in sin; it will never satisfy; and the husks of the world will never fill your longing and hungering in your soul. Repentance is something a lot bigger than a lot of people think. It is absolutely essential if you go to heaven” (Lester Roloff, Repent or Perish, 1950s).

Rice & Roloff must not believe the Bible then.

As I showed in my OP, "repent" simply means to turn from, or change from one course of action to another. It is certainly NOT required for salvation.

People mistakenly use the word "repent" in conjunction with sin and create a works-based false gospel.

The phrase "repent of your sin" is not even in the Bible.  It's an extra-biblical phrase found in texts outside of the Bible like the ones you quoted.

Why is it that of everyone in the Bible, God is the one who repented most? We know God has no sin.  So why then, would God repent?

Where does the Bible say we must repent of our sin to be saved? Perhaps I have overlooked it somewhere because I do not recall it ever stating repenting of sin was a salvation requirement.

And, how is it possible to repent of ALL sin?  

If repentance is required for salvation, that would mean salvation is by works.  Allow me to illustrate:

Imagine a heroin addict panhandling on the sidewalk.  He is highly addicted to heroin. He cannot stop using, no matter how hard he tries. A believer approaches him with a Bible and shows him from directly from the Word of God how to be saved, and gives him the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The man BELIEVES it with all his heart. He understands he is a sinner, and is relieved that Jesus Christ died for his sins so he could be saved from Hell. Together they pray and the man vocally proclaims his belief in the work Jesus Christ did to save him & he asks God to give him the gift of eternal life so he doesn't go to Hell. The man says he now knows for certain he is now saved.....

Swath.....are you saying that this man wasn't saved because he did not repent of his sins?

And what if he sees his dealer approach him 20 minutes later & he gives in to his temptation and gets high?  

Did he just "lose" his salvation?

One more thing swath: Have you  repented of ALL your sin? When you got saved, you repented/turned from all of your sin, right?  So that means you must not have committed a SINGLE sin your entire post-salvation life, right?  Not a single lie, nor lusting after anyone who isn't your spouse, no feelings of envy or covetousness, no thoughts of foolishness, not a single sin WHATSOEVER, is that correct?

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On 6/26/2017 at 4:17 AM, TheSword1227 said:

I agree. Peter was talking about a specific repentance for the Jews. He was handing down a 'murder indictment' against them for killing the Christ. Paul taught a different repentance. For salvation.

More Ruckmanism/Protestant garbage.  No sir, the bible teaches one way to heaven for all, for all times.

8 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

Rice & Roloff must not believe the Bible then.

As I showed in my OP, "repent" simply means to turn from, or change from one course of action to another. It is certainly NOT required for salvation.

People mistakenly use the word "repent" in conjunction with sin and create a works-based false gospel.

The phrase "repent of your sin" is not even in the Bible.  It's an extra-biblical phrase found in texts outside of the Bible like the ones you quoted.

Why is it that of everyone in the Bible, God is the one who repented most? We know God has no sin.  So why then, would God repent?

Where does the Bible say we must repent of our sin to be saved? Perhaps I have overlooked it somewhere because I do not recall it ever stating repenting of sin was a salvation requirement.

And, how is it possible to repent of ALL sin?  

If repentance is required for salvation, that would mean salvation is by works.  Allow me to illustrate:

Imagine a heroin addict panhandling on the sidewalk.  He is highly addicted to heroin. He cannot stop using, no matter how hard he tries. A believer approaches him with a Bible and shows him from directly from the Word of God how to be saved, and gives him the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The man BELIEVES it with all his heart. He understands he is a sinner, and is relieved that Jesus Christ died for his sins so he could be saved from Hell. Together they pray and the man vocally proclaims his belief in the work Jesus Christ did to save him & he asks God to give him the gift of eternal life so he doesn't go to Hell. The man says he now knows for certain he is now saved.....

Swath.....are you saying that this man wasn't saved because he did not repent of his sins?

And what if he sees his dealer approach him 20 minutes later & he gives in to his temptation and gets high?  

Did he just "lose" his salvation?

One more thing swath: Have you  repented of ALL your sin? When you got saved, you repented/turned from all of your sin, right?  So that means you must not have committed a SINGLE sin your entire post-salvation life, right?  Not a single lie, nor lusting after anyone who isn't your spouse, no feelings of envy or covetousness, no thoughts of foolishness, not a single sin WHATSOEVER, is that correct?

You are still wrong, confusing repentance for salvation with repenting for sin.  They are two different things.  I sin daily and repent of my sins to keep fellowship with the Lord.

When I made repentance to God and put my trust in Christ at salvation, my thinking about sin changed, I no longer took pleasure in sin, my heart was regenerated and given new desires, namely, a desire to please the Lord.  That's not works.

Read the article if you're at all interested in getting right on this subject.  Your comments reveal that you did not read it through and through.

If your local New Testament church teaches what you've written, you need to find another church and get right with the Lord.  If you're not a member of a NT church, you need to be, and need to be to get right with the Lord.

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44 minutes ago, swathdiver said:

More Ruckmanism/Protestant garbage.  No sir, the bible teaches one way to heaven for all, for all times.

You are still wrong, confusing repentance for salvation with repenting for sin.  They are two different things.  I sin daily and repent of my sins to keep fellowship with the Lord.

When I made repentance to God and put my trust in Christ at salvation, my thinking about sin changed, I no longer took pleasure in sin, my heart was regenerated and given new desires, namely, a desire to please the Lord.  That's not works.

Read the article if you're at all interested in getting right on this subject.  Your comments reveal that you did not read it through and through.

If your local New Testament church teaches what you've written, you need to find another church and get right with the Lord.  If you're not a member of a NT church, you need to be, and need to be to get right with the Lord.

Nope, don't follow Ruckman or Protestantism. Only the holy Scriptures.Read Acts again and see what Peter said; He was addressing: "Ye men of Israel.

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46 minutes ago, swathdiver said:

 

You are still wrong, confusing repentance for salvation with repenting for sin.  They are two different things.  I sin daily and repent of my sins to keep fellowship with the Lord.

When I made repentance to God and put my trust in Christ at salvation, my thinking about sin changed, I no longer took pleasure in sin, my heart was regenerated and given new desires, namely, a desire to please the Lord.  That's not works.

Read the article if you're at all interested in getting right on this subject.  Your comments reveal that you did not read it through and through.

If your local New Testament church teaches what you've written, you need to find another church and get right with the Lord.  If you're not a member of a NT church, you need to be, and need to be to get right with the Lord.

I agree that we should confess those sins we commit daily as it does affect our walk with God. If we are saved, we confess them, not to receive forgiveness as we have already been forgiven by the shed blood of Christ, but  It can hinder our prayers and fellowship with God.

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I am coming to realize that it's a false teaching that's been making the rounds that we do not need to repent of current sins.Heaven can be like brass if these sins build up and are never confessed.

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3 hours ago, TheSword1227 said:

Nope, don't follow Ruckman or Protestantism. Only the holy Scriptures.Read Acts again and see what Peter said; He was addressing: "Ye men of Israel.

Good, but that doctrine comes from the Protestants.  Ruckman has a book on the seven different ways of salvation in the NT

As for Peter addressing the men if Israel, so what?  He was simply witnessing to the lost.

3 hours ago, TheSword1227 said:

I agree that we should confess those sins we commit daily as it does affect our walk with God. If we are saved, we confess them, not to receive forgiveness as we have already been forgiven by the shed blood of Christ, but  It can hinder our prayers and fellowship with God.

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I am coming to realize that it's a false teaching that's been making the rounds that we do not need to repent of current sins.Heaven can be like brass if these sins build up and are never confessed.

Well, I ask for forgiveness and get it.  Again, it's a different form of repentance.  If I'm unjustly angry with someone, I confess that sin and say I'm sorry, please forgive me Lord because I've behaved/conducted myself as I should have.  Our children do the same towards us.

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6 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

Imagine a heroin addict panhandling on the sidewalk.  He is highly addicted to heroin. He cannot stop using, no matter how hard he tries. A believer approaches him with a Bible and shows him from directly from the Word of God how to be saved, and gives him the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The man BELIEVES it with all his heart. He understands he is a sinner, and is relieved that Jesus Christ died for his sins so he could be saved from Hell. Together they pray and the man vocally proclaims his belief in the work Jesus Christ did to save him & he asks God to give him the gift of eternal life so he doesn't go to Hell. The man says he now knows for certain he is now saved and exclaims to the believer his delight that, where once he personally hated God but feared where he would end up, now he knows he can hate God with all his heart and not worry about it.

BabeinChrist, do you have any thoughts on my slight revision of your story (in bold)?

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6 hours ago, TheSword1227 said:

I agree that we should confess those sins we commit daily as it does affect our walk with God. If we are saved, we confess them, not to receive forgiveness as we have already been forgiven by the shed blood of Christ, but  It can hinder our prayers and fellowship with God.

I've been thinking about this a bit more and I am coming to realize that it's a false teaching that's been making the rounds that we do not need to repent of current sins.Heaven can be like brass if these sins build up and are never confessed.

No, I am NOT saying we should not repent as much as we can ONCE we are saved....we SHOULD.

I am merely saying repenting of all of our sins(turning from / stopping ALL of our sins) is not only NOT required for salvation, it is not possible while we are in the flesh, because our flesh is given to sin.

if we could turn from all of our sins from this day forward, we would NEVER sin again, and we cannot do that because we are not perfect. Only Jesus was able to not sin.

 

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6 hours ago, Alimantado said:

BabeinChrist, do you have any thoughts on my slight revision of your story (in bold)?

I don't think anyone who hates God with all of their heart will believe on Christ.  I suspect a true hater of God has been turned over to a reprobate mind, like Pharoah, or Judas Iscariot. This is explained strarting in Romans 1:18.

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7 hours ago, swathdiver said:

Good, but that doctrine comes from the Protestants.  Ruckman has a book on the seven different ways of salvation in the NT

As for Peter addressing the men if Israel, so what?  He was simply witnessing to the lost.

Well, I ask for forgiveness and get it.  Again, it's a different form of repentance.  If I'm unjustly angry with someone, I confess that sin and say I'm sorry, please forgive me Lord because I've behaved/conducted myself as I should have.  Our children do the same towards us.

Yes, I agree. 

But you are talking as a believer already. 

I am speaking of those who are not saved.

When we go soul winning we encounter some strange situations. Especially in the ghetto areas. Sometimes we'll knock a door and the person opens it and clouds upon clouds of marijuana smoke comes billowing out from behind them.

Do I tell them they MUST stop smoking marijuana or Christ will turn them away?

NO...that is works salvation.

i give them the Gospel of Jesus Christ in hope that they will BELIEVE, and pray that  the Holy Spirit convicts them of their drug use.

Repent of your sins false gospel says you must stop smoking marijuana IN ORDER TO be saved.

Do you see the distinction?

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Repentance does not JUST mean a change of mind. 

Repentance ALSO means sincere regret or remorse.

And God says repentance is necessary.

 

"Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

 

God's the One Who said it: repentance is necessary to salvation.  

That in no way indicates that stopping a sin is what leads to salvation. SORROW for sin is necessary. God said so, and that settles it.

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4 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

I am merely saying repenting of all of our sins(turning from / stopping ALL of our sins) is not only NOT required for salvation, it is not possible while we are in the flesh, because our flesh is given to sin.

That's right.  You are again confusing the two forms of repentance.  

3 hours ago, BabeinChrist said:

When we go soul winning we encounter some strange situations. Especially in the ghetto areas. Sometimes we'll knock a door and the person opens it and clouds upon clouds of marijuana smoke comes billowing out from behind them.

Do I tell them they MUST stop smoking marijuana or Christ will turn them away?

Of course not.  But, if they continue smoking without caring that God hates it, that's an indication that they never repented.  Repentance is also a change of mind about God and sin.

Let's say I'm a bank robber.  Before salvation I think robbing banks is ok.  Then one day you witness to me and I get saved.  My heart is new with new desires but still I am a babe in Christ with the old nature.  Now, I know that robbing banks is not ok and it displeases God.  If I continue knocking off banks, I shall be chastened by the Lord and cannot grow in grace.  The Holy Ghost is going to burden my heart to stop too!  On the other hand, if I keep robbing banks or smoking weed and think its ok with the Lord, then I have never repented.  Romans 6 teaches this.

I saw a youtube video of a sodomite several years ago.  He got saved and was tormented now over his, ahh, boyfriend.  He knew it was wrong and agonized over it now whereas just days before he thought it was fine.  If memory serves, one or the other moved out and he got right with the Lord and left that lifestyle.

 

This confusion is of the devil and the lack of repentance in preaching salvation is why so many Baptist and rock-n-roll churches are full of false converts today.

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31 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

Repentance does not JUST mean a change of mind. 

Repentance ALSO means sincere regret or remorse.

And God says repentance is necessary.

 

"Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

 

God's the One Who said it: repentance is necessary to salvation.  

That in no way indicates that stopping a sin is what leads to salvation. SORROW for sin is necessary. God said so, and that settles it.

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I'm saying.

HappyChristian:

I understand that a person cannot be saved without realizing that they are a sinner before a just God. I get that.

They will never come to believe on Jesus without realizing they are a sinner in need of a Saviour (Jesus Christ).

What I am asking is: Does the person I encounter smoking marijuana, do they need to turn from their sin to be saved?

 

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On 2017-6-25 at 0:32 PM, TheSword1227 said:

The apostle Peter told the Jews they needed to repent and be baptized. This is different from what Paul said. The things many Christians don't realize is that Peter was preaching to Jews, not Gentiles. Pentecost was a Jewish Feast Day. He accuses the Jews of killing Christ and that they needed to repent of this crime and get baptized.

This is where the misunderstanding come from. Those who adhere to a "works" theology, claim Peter taught repentance and baptism as necessary for salvation. But they miss the context. It's very important to know who was writing , to whom they wrote and what were the circumstances.

The gospel to the Jews is the same as that to the gentiles. 

Acts 2:38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Those that are afar off are us.  even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

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28 minutes ago, swathdiver said:

That's right.  You are again confusing the two forms of repentance.  

Of course not.  But, if they continue smoking without caring that God hates it, that's an indication that they never repented.  Repentance is also a change of mind about God and sin.

Let's say I'm a bank robber.  Before salvation I think robbing banks is ok.  Then one day you witness to me and I get saved.  My heart is new with new desires but still I am a babe in Christ with the old nature.  Now, I know that robbing banks is not ok and it displeases God.  If I continue knocking off banks, I shall be chastened by the Lord and cannot grow in grace.  The Holy Ghost is going to burden my heart to stop too!  On the other hand, if I keep robbing banks or smoking weed and think its ok with the Lord, then I have never repented.  Romans 6 teaches this.

I saw a youtube video of a sodomite several years ago.  He got saved and was tormented now over his, ahh, boyfriend.  He knew it was wrong and agonized over it now whereas just days before he thought it was fine.  If memory serves, one or the other moved out and he got right with the Lord and left that lifestyle.

 

This confusion is of the devil and the lack of repentance in preaching salvation is why so many Baptist and rock-n-roll churches are full of false converts today.

Our church doesn't allow CCM or even drums. We only sing Bible hymns as a congregation.

i agree, most CCM is so worldly that it is no different than being at a concert with the colored lights in the dark, the idolizing & exalting of the performer on stage, not to mention the complete absence of the Gospel in most CCM.

 Our Pastor doesn't allow sodomites in our church either, and it's family-integrated, meaning there is no Sunday school for children...they remain with their parents & hear the sermon just like we do, which is good because kids need to hear the Word of God too, (in addition to reading the Bible regularly at home) and it teaches them to sit still & behave.

we believe salvation is by grace through faith, NOT of works, lest any man should boast.

 

 

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