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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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2 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

John, John, John, you are a sad and confused fellow. If you cannot see the difference between the Catholic emasculated, effeminate 'Jesus' )who is perpetually hanging on a cross, a Jesus that cannot save outside of the Catholic organization and the sacraments, a Jesus who is daily placed in an idolatrous monstrance and displayed as a cookie for all to bow to, a Jesus who is only a co-redeemer with his mother), and the Jesus of the Bible, (who is alone able to save, who is received by grace through faith alone, outside of ANY church, who would not even call His earthly mother, "Mother", but called her 'Woman', to show she held no authority over Him, the Jesus who made one sacrifice for sin for all time and is sitting at the right hand of the father in Glory, Himself alone the only Advocate and Redeemer, who went to the cross one, and is risen and in Glory, no longer on the cross), then you are truly not a saved man, or at least has not repented of your rebellion against the Lord's command to mark those who cause divisions contrary to the true doctrines of the Bible, and avoid them.

John, you need to get right with God, get out of the ungoldy Catholic insitution, get out from the Laodicean-style non-judgmental evangelical church and seek a church that will preach the truth of the Bible.  

River of Life Church where I attend on Sunday mornings does preach the truth of the Bible. Pastor Steve preaches the truth of the Bible every Sunday in his sermons.

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19 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

John, I still haven't decided if you're for real or not.

Understand, when I see some of the things that you post, it appears that you are being subtle (and at other times, completely transparent) in what you're trying to convey...as though you are trying to mock certain aspects of what you perceive that Baptists believe...from such topics as guns, to homeschooling, to raising children, to theology...

At the same time, I don't want to cause you any harm if you're sincere.

Take the quote from you above...it very much reminds me of a saying; which is, ...

I wouldn't give you a nickel for _________.

Which basically means that something is worthless in the view of the one saying it.

I should have been more specific and state that some months at that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings I only put a nickel in the collection basket once a month and other months I put a nickel in twice a month. Since I am not yet a member of that Baptist church as I have not taken membership preparation class than I do not want to donate more  than a nickel at a time. But when I do become a member of that Baptist church than I will donate a dollar every Sunday.

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9 minutes ago, John Yurich said:

I should have been more specific and state that some months at that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings I only put a nickel in the collection basket once a month and other months I put a nickel in twice a month. Since I am not yet a member of that Baptist church as I have not taken membership preparation class than I do not want to donate more  than a nickel at a time. But when I do become a member of that Baptist church than I will donate a dollar every Sunday.

I mean no disrespect, but I'm having a hard time understanding why an adult would put only a nickel in the collection plate. Or even just a dollar a week. Churches have bills to pay, missionaries to send, etc etc. Remember, it's really to God you are giving back to.

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3 minutes ago, TheSword1227 said:

I mean no disrespect, but I'm having a hard time understanding why an adult would put only a nickel in the collection plate. Or even just a dollar a week. Churches have bills to pay, missionaries to send, etc etc. Remember, it's really to God you are giving back to.

I am currently unemployed and residing in a homeless shelter for men in the small town I reside in where every men does not have to leave in the morning but can remain on the premises all day. Other homeless shelters in the big  town 20 miles away kick out the homeless in the morning. I am only getting 97 dollars a month in EBT Cash Support and 30 dollars a month goes to pay the cell phone bill. But I am looking for a full time Data Entry or other clerical position in the small town I reside in. If I am not yet a member of that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings then I do not see the reason to put more than a nickel in the collection plate at a time.

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On ‎6‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 2:03 PM, Alimantado said:

Ok, so going back to what I said earlier then:

"And as for the Catholic church you attend, at some point you went through a fairly lengthy process of becoming a member that involved signing up to a load of doctrines, yes?"

You addressed this question by saying you weren't a convert, but can we now say that yes you did go through a process of learning and then professing belief in various creeds/doctrinal statements? And that your being confirmed as a member was conditional on professing those beliefs? Now you say you don't know whether the chief priest or whatever would question your membership of the church if he knew you've since ditched some of those beliefs that were a condition of your being confirmed as a member. I suggest maybe he would.

As for the Baptist church you go to, it sounds like folk 'self certify' and then they ask as few questions as possible. But I do wonder, if I asked to joined that church and I did as you did--told them that Jesus was my Lord and Saviour and made a public profession of it--and then it came out later, let's say over a cup of coffee with Pastor Steve, that when I'd said 'Jesus' I'd been referring to a giraffe at London zoo called 'Jesus', whether that would cause Pastor Steve to question my being a member of that church. And if the answer to that is yes, I wonder if other things, like being a member of a second church with very different doctrines, would be cause for concern in Steve's mind.

Yes if you stated that the 'Jesus' you had been referring to was a giraffe at London zoo called 'Jesus' then Pastor Steve would question you being a member of that church. I do not believe that it would be cause for concern in Pastor Steve's mind if he was cognizant of the fact that I would be a member of a second church with some different doctrines then his church.

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4 minutes ago, John Yurich said:

Yes if you stated that the 'Jesus' you had been referring to was a giraffe at London zoo called 'Jesus' then Pastor Steve would question you being a member of that church. I do not believe that it would be cause for concern in Pastor Steve's mind if he was cognizant of the fact that I would be a member of a second church with some different doctrines then his church.

We can debate Pr. Steve's opinion all day long, but there's only one way to find out. Ask him. (and come back and tell us what he said, cause I'm curious! :) Until then, this line of debate is moot.

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1 hour ago, Salyan said:

We can debate Pr. Steve's opinion all day long, but there's only one way to find out. Ask him. (and come back and tell us what he said, cause I'm curious! :) Until then, this line of debate is moot.

Could you ask him for us, Salyan?

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On 6/26/2017 at 10:22 AM, John Yurich said:

Hey dope, I have always believed in and worshiped the biblical and historical Jesus as God. And the Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a false jesus? Only a dope believes the Catholic Church believes in and worships a false jesus and not the biblical and historical Jesus as God. I did  repent in November 1997 when I came under the prompting of the Holy Spirit to accept the biblical and historical Jesus as my Savior and Lord during an Altar Call at a Non Denominational Church. And after that moment I started to trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation. And I was Baptized via immersion(as a public profession of faith that I gave my life to Christ) on 21 May of this year after worship at that Baptist church  I attend on Sunday mornings. I have a lady friend at that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings and her Catholic father accepted Jesus as his Savior and Lord before he passed away last December and thus went to Heaven. That lady friend also stated that she believes that her deceased Catholic father had worshiped the biblical and historical Jesus as God at his Catholic parish.

I count this a blessing John.  I have come across your kind many times before.  Your hedging your bets, the WORD of GOD is NOT good enough for you.  You're trying to be a good Catholic and a good Baptist so when you stand before the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter will let you in.  And if Peter's way was wrong, Christ will see that you were a good Baptist too, and that outweighed the error of yoking with the RCC and Jesus will let you into heaven.

John Yurich, this is what you're going to hear on the day of your judgement if you were to die today:

"...I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" - Matthew 7:23

 

John, do you believe that the King James Bible is God's preserved Word and that all others are fraudulent?  

 

20 hours ago, John Yurich said:

I should have been more specific and state that some months at that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings I only put a nickel in the collection basket once a month and other months I put a nickel in twice a month. Since I am not yet a member of that Baptist church as I have not taken membership preparation class than I do not want to donate more  than a nickel at a time. But when I do become a member of that Baptist church than I will donate a dollar every Sunday.

 

20 hours ago, TheSword1227 said:

I mean no disrespect, but I'm having a hard time understanding why an adult would put only a nickel in the collection plate.

 

19 hours ago, John Yurich said:

 I am only getting 97 dollars a month in EBT Cash Support...

...I do not see the reason to put more than a nickel in the collection plate at a time.

What a mess.  If I were in your shoes, I would have joined a NT church by now and been dropping at least $9.70 in the collection plate every month.  As the Lord promises, that $9.70 would grow and grow to overflowing.

 

To the gentlemen who profess that repentance is not part of salvation.  John Yurich is the fruit of this false teaching of yours!  This poor fellow believes he's right with God while never having turned from his old wicked ways, he thinks they are fine and you agree that they are not!  Calvary Chapel's and the like are loaded with these false converts headed for hell because they were duped into believing a cursed gospel and way of salvation.

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17 hours ago, John Yurich said:

I am currently unemployed and residing in a homeless shelter for men in the small town I reside in where every men does not have to leave in the morning but can remain on the premises all day. Other homeless shelters in the big  town 20 miles away kick out the homeless in the morning. I am only getting 97 dollars a month in EBT Cash Support and 30 dollars a month goes to pay the cell phone bill. But I am looking for a full time Data Entry or other clerical position in the small town I reside in. If I am not yet a member of that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings then I do not see the reason to put more than a nickel in the collection plate at a time.

I am very sorry to hear that John. I will pray for you that your situation improves.

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7 hours ago, swathdiver said:

I count this a blessing John.  I have come across your kind many times before.  Your hedging your bets, the WORD of GOD is NOT good enough for you.  You're trying to be a good Catholic and a good Baptist so when you stand before the Pearly Gates, Saint Peter will let you in.  And if Peter's way was wrong, Christ will see that you were a good Baptist too, and that outweighed the error of yoking with the RCC and Jesus will let you into heaven.

John Yurich, this is what you're going to hear on the day of your judgement if you were to die today:

"...I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" - Matthew 7:23

 

John, do you believe that the King James Bible is God's preserved Word and that all others are fraudulent?  

 

 

 

What a mess.  If I were in your shoes, I would have joined a NT church by now and been dropping at least $9.70 in the collection plate every month.  As the Lord promises, that $9.70 would grow and grow to overflowing.

 

To the gentlemen who profess that repentance is not part of salvation.  John Yurich is the fruit of this false teaching of yours!  This poor fellow believes he's right with God while never having turned from his old wicked ways, he thinks they are fine and you agree that they are not!  Calvary Chapel's and the like are loaded with these false converts headed for hell because they were duped into believing a cursed gospel and way of salvation.

I am not hedging my bets. And the Word of God is good enough for me. I don't believe that nonsense about Saint Peter standing at the Pearly Gates deciding who enters Heaven. Jesus is the one who decides who enters Heaven. The way Jesus decides who enters Heaven is when one stands before Him He asks them if they had given their life to Him by accepting Him as their Savior and Lord. If I gave my life to Christ some 20 years ago during an Altar Call and placed my trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation then I am saved. If I was not really saved then Pastor Steve of River of Life Church(where I attend on Sunday mornings) would not have accepted that I am really saved and a proper candidate for Baptism(I was Baptized via immersion on 21 May after worship) after asking me if I had accepted Jesus as my Savior and Lord. River of Life Church where I attend on Sunday mornings is a New Testament church that preaches the biblical doctrine of salvation. Pastor Steve preaches the biblical doctrine of salvation in his sermons every Sunday. You don't believe that then go to the churches website www. rolchastings.org  and listen to Pastor Steve's sermons. I own and read the King James Version of the Holy Bible. I also own and read the Catholic Version of the Holy Bible. So I believe that the King James Version and the Catholic Version are the infallible and inspired Word of God. The only version of the Bible out there that is not the inspired and infallible Word of God is the Jehovah Witness version.

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