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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Are There Any Catholics On Here?


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5 hours ago, John Yurich said:

It is false that every Catholic doctrine is unscriptural. There are scriptural Catholic doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. The Catholic Church worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God. If a Catholic who is Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ and they trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation and they attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches than they are saved and will enter Heaven when they pass away. Isn't it good enough that I attend a Baptist Church on Sunday mornings without ceasing attending the Catholic Church on Saturdays? It is not required for salvation for one who gave their life to Christ to entirely leave the Catholic Church and only attend a Baptist Church.

Incorrect: the RCC worship[s a Jesus that is subservient to his mother-that is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. They worship a Jesus who abdicates his authority and power to a pope and priests. They worship a Jesus who is brought down by the priests in every congregation each week, or as often as they choose, to be crucified anew in an unbloody sacrifice, because His once for all sacrirfice is not, apparently, sufficient. They worship a Jesus who did not fully provide salvation for all at the cross, by grace through faith. Their Jesus is a false idol, a skinny, effeminate mama's boy always dying on a cross. And you need to repent and get out of their doctrine and their idolatry. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, and it sounds like their wicked, Nicolaitan leaven as you duped.

It is bad enough when a believer accepts a little leaven, you're willingly remaining in the most corrupt bastardization of christianity that has ever existed.

 

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5 hours ago, Salyan said:

I can understand the pull toward what is familiar, and the desire to remain in one's heritage. It is incredibly difficult to give up something that has been part of your life for so long. The problem is that you really cannot be both a Catholic and a Baptist. If I was a betting person, I would be willing to bet that neither your Catholic priest nor Baptist pastor would allow you to remain in good standing as a member in either congregation. If you told them you'd joined (or remained in) the other church, they'd be likely to remove your membership in theirs!

But we digress. The (much more important) issue here is whether a born again Christian should remain in the Catholic denomination. The RCC does retain some orthodox doctrines (one God, Jesus as God, etc.), and there are sincere individuals who identify as Catholic who truly believe Jesus is God and desire to serve Him. It takes more than just an acknowledgement that Jesus is God - more than a belief in a single God - to be a Believer, however - to be saved. James 2:19 tells us "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: he devils also believe, and tremble..."...but the devils are not believers in Christ. Neither are humans who, no matter how well-intentioned, have not come to God as He has directed - by faith alone, trusting in His grace alone in Christ's finished work on the cross.

The RCC organization denies Christ's finished work on the cross, teaching instead the false doctrine of the perpetual sacrifice of the mass. They lift Mary (Queen of Heaven - that's a false goddess in the Bible!) up as co-Mediatrix with Christ, in opposition to the Bible which states that "there is one man and one mediator between God & man... Christ Jesus." They repudiate the clear teaching of grace alone, through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), and add a works requirement to salvation (Romans 3:20).  In the Council of Trent, the defining doctrinal council of the RCC, which was reinforced by Vatican II, they have damned those who have trusted Christ alone in obedience to the Bible. Take a look at this list: https://carm.org/council-trent-canons-justification  That means that if you have trusted Christ alone, by grace through faith, for salvation, the RCC has condemned you. By their own teachings, you cannot be a Catholic and a born-again Christian.

The fact that the RCC gets some things right, in no way excuses the fact that they get the most important things wrong. How many sincere people that desired to know and serve God have been led to an eternity in hell because of the RCC teachings?  Such an organization is no place for a Bible-believer to be. This is not a matter of salvation. This is a matter of obedience to God's word. Think of the blasphemous teachings that are perpetrated through the Mass - can you truly bear to be present, and to be silent, knowing how many people are being led astray through this liturgy? Will not your presence encourage others to stay, or to come, and possibly lead to them being led astray as well?

 

John, if you will be patient with me a bit longer, something you said concerns me. You replied to HappyChristian that you knew you were growing in Christ because you attended Baptist services, fellowshipped with people, and were involved in the ministries. As we grow we will, yes, desire to serve God - desire to be at church to hear His Word - and desire to fellowship with other believers. And these things are good.  The activities themselves, however, are not growth - but merely the evidence of it.  Our growth is internal - a love for Christ, a love for His Word, a desire to spend time with Him in prayer & the Word, the desire to obey Him in personal obedience and ministry to others, the desire to share the truth with others, and an abhorrence for false doctrine. You've come from a background that emphasizes works. Some of us (myself included) also have a natural tendency to prioritize works over the internal fellowship with Christ. Please be careful not to allow works to define your relationship with Christ. It is by faith we come to Him, and by faith we grow.  All our own righteousnesses, done in our own strength, are as filthy rags to Him. That verse applies not only to salvation, but also to our service after salvation.

 

I truly hope that it does not seem to you that we are 'piling on' you here. That is not our intent. We are truly and greatly concerned for you, and desire to see you grow in Christ.

 

You have a point about a born again believer not remaining in the roman catholic church. However, many do just that. Will they lose their salvation? No, but they probably won't grow much spiritually.

Some people, like Catholics, Mormons, etc get saved but choose to remain in that church for the sake of witnessing to others. I believe that's what the apostle Paul did. He would visit synagogues for the purpose of winning over the Jews.

The interesting thing is, Billy Graham would tell folks who came up front to receive Christ as Savior,  to go back to their churches. Why? Who knows.

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5 hours ago, John Yurich said:

It is false that every Catholic doctrine is unscriptural. There are scriptural Catholic doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. The Catholic Church worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God. If a Catholic who is Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ and they trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation and they attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches than they are saved and will enter Heaven when they pass away. Isn't it good enough that I attend a Baptist Church on Sunday mornings without ceasing attending the Catholic Church on Saturdays? It is not required for salvation for one who gave their life to Christ to entirely leave the Catholic Church and only attend a Baptist Church.

But what happens when one mixes falsehoods with truths? A little leaven leavens the whole lump. False teaching is like a little yeast that spreads to the whole batch.

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43 minutes ago, TheSword1227 said:

The interesting thing is, Billy Graham would tell folks who came up front to receive Christ as Savior,  to go back to their churches. Why? Who knows.

He was in grave error in this.  The vast majority who went to the front were not saved.  BG himself recognised that and stopped calling them converts and just called them "enquirers.".

Christians throughout the dark ages avoided the RCC, partly because of the mass, but also of their heretical teaching of baptismal regeneration as well as other false teachings.  The Waldensians claimed their separation from Rome from the time when Sylvester was Bishop of Rome.  They were not known by that name at the time but were given many other names, but for about 1,100, or so years they kept their witness against all the errors of Rome while standing firm in face of many attrocities inflicted on them by Rome.  About 40-50 years before the refprmation, the accepted the mass, agreeing to attend once a year. They were no longer considered witnesses by Rome.

Rome has murdered millions of Christians throughout the ages, but says she doesn't persecute saints, only heretics and she has the perfect right to do that, and given the power she would do it again.  

If you attend mass you cannot be a witnessing Baptist. 

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23 minutes ago, Invicta said:

He was in grave error in this.  The vast majority who went to the front were not saved.  BG himself recognised that and stopped calling them converts and just called them "enquirers.".

Christians throughout the dark ages avoided the RCC, partly because of the mass, but also of their heretical teaching of baptismal regeneration as well as other false teachings.  The Waldensians claimed their separation from Rome from the time when Sylvester was Bishop of Rome.  They were not known by that name at the time but were given many other names, but for about 1,100, or so years they kept their witness against all the errors of Rome while standing firm in face of many attrocities inflicted on them by Rome.  About 40-50 years before the refprmation, the accepted the mass, agreeing to attend once a year. They were no longer considered witnesses by Rome.

Rome has murdered millions of Christians throughout the ages, but says she doesn't persecute saints, only heretics and she has the perfect right to do that, and given the power she would do it again.  

If you attend mass you cannot be a witnessing Baptist. 

I agree. Good post.

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8 hours ago, John Yurich said:

Of course I did not make my Baptist pastor cognizant that I attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches as it is none of his business. I don't like to discuss my beliefs that much with clergy. I am growing in Christ at that Baptist Church that I attend on Sunday mornings because I attend Adult Sunday School before worship, I fellowship with the congregation before worship and I am friends with half of the congregation. And I am very involved in various church activities at that Baptist Church from attending Adult Sunday School before worship to going to soup lunches and other meals after worship. Before I started attending that Baptist Church I was not that social and did not make friends easily. It is a lie that every Catholic doctrine is diametrically opposed to Biblical and Baptist doctrines as there are some biblical Catholic doctrines. And Catholics are not unbelievers since they worship Jesus as God. Unbelievers do not worship Jesus as God. Stating that 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 is required for salvation and entering Heaven is adding another requirement onto salvation.

Well, John, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but your remaining a member of the RCC is most definitely the Baptist pastor's business (just as it is the RCC priest's business that you are trying to also join the Baptist church). A pastor is an undershepherd. He is to feed, lead, and protect his flock, under the authority of the Chief Shepherd, who is Christ. To join a church is to align with the belief systems of that church, in covenant with other members to follow the tenets of that church. It is unethical at best to try to become a member in two different churches without informing the leaders of the churches.

Catholic doctrine most definitely is opposed to biblical and Baptist doctrine.  I never stated that 2Cor. 6:14-18 had anything to do with salvation. As I explained, it is teaching separation. The Catholic church teaches that salvation is in that church, no matter what else they might say about Christ.  When another being is put in any way equal to Christ (Mary, who is claimed to be co-redemptrix; saints to whom people pray for things - Christopher for traveling mercies, Anthony for finding lost things, etc), Christ is not being worshiped as God.  

Truth + falsehood = falsehood.  Just as Pure water + arsenic = non drinkable water.

 

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15 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Well, John, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but your remaining a member of the RCC is most definitely the Baptist pastor's business (just as it is the RCC priest's business that you are trying to also join the Baptist church). A pastor is an undershepherd. He is to feed, lead, and protect his flock, under the authority of the Chief Shepherd, who is Christ. To join a church is to align with the belief systems of that church, in covenant with other members to follow the tenets of that church. It is unethical at best to try to become a member in two different churches without informing the leaders of the churches.

Catholic doctrine most definitely is opposed to biblical and Baptist doctrine.  I never stated that 2Cor. 6:14-18 had anything to do with salvation. As I explained, it is teaching separation. The Catholic church teaches that salvation is in that church, no matter what else they might say about Christ.  When another being is put in any way equal to Christ (Mary, who is claimed to be co-redemptrix; saints to whom people pray for things - Christopher for traveling mercies, Anthony for finding lost things, etc), Christ is not being worshiped as God.  

Truth + falsehood = falsehood.  Just as Pure water + arsenic = non drinkable water.

 

I am following the tenets of that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings. I am not comfortable telling my beliefs to any clergy whether Catholic or Baptist or any other Protestant clergy as I am a very private individual. At that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings there is a married couple who attend and are members of both the local Catholic parish and that Baptist church. There are also other members of that Baptist church who also attend and are members of that Baptist church and some other Protestant Church.

18 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

Incorrect: the RCC worship[s a Jesus that is subservient to his mother-that is NOT the Jesus of the Bible. They worship a Jesus who abdicates his authority and power to a pope and priests. They worship a Jesus who is brought down by the priests in every congregation each week, or as often as they choose, to be crucified anew in an unbloody sacrifice, because His once for all sacrirfice is not, apparently, sufficient. They worship a Jesus who did not fully provide salvation for all at the cross, by grace through faith. Their Jesus is a false idol, a skinny, effeminate mama's boy always dying on a cross. And you need to repent and get out of their doctrine and their idolatry. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, and it sounds like their wicked, Nicolaitan leaven as you duped.

It is bad enough when a believer accepts a little leaven, you're willingly remaining in the most corrupt bastardization of christianity that has ever existed.

 

The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like a different Jesus? That is the biblical and historical Jesus mentioned in the Apostles and Nicene Creeds that the Catholic Church worships.

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2 hours ago, John Yurich said:

I am following the tenets of that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings. I am not comfortable telling my beliefs to any clergy whether Catholic or Baptist or any other Protestant clergy as I am a very private individual. At that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings there is a married couple who attend and are members of both the local Catholic parish and that Baptist church. There are also other members of that Baptist church who also attend and are members of that Baptist church and some other Protestant Church.

 

If that Baptist church looks the other way as folks who are members of another church - whatever the denomination - join, it is not a biblical Baptist church. I'm sorry, but you cannot be yoked up with a church that prays to icons (completely disregarding the Bible), puts the human vessel who carried the Son of God on an equal plane with that Son of God, teaches that a fallible man (the priest) can absolve sins - if certain acts are followed - etc., etc, and a Baptist church that is following the Bible. THAT is where the NT commands to be separate come in.

And, BTW, Baptist are not Protestant. They were never part of the RCC to begin with. We've already discussed that point, remember?  So "other" Protestant church is a misnomer.

Being upfront with the pastor about retaining your membership in the RCC is not telling your beliefs to him. It's being honest about your intents. As the undershepherd of that church, he is responsible to protect the flock. And it is completely his business to know that you still align and defend the tenets of the RCC. You could become a wolf in his flock otherwise, as you will most definitely share your beliefs with other members, whether you think you will or not (the fact that you already know that others are members elsewhere as well as that church is proof that you've discussed this with at least one person...).

 

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18 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

If that Baptist church looks the other way as folks who are members of another church - whatever the denomination - join, it is not a biblical Baptist church. I'm sorry, but you cannot be yoked up with a church that prays to icons (completely disregarding the Bible), puts the human vessel who carried the Son of God on an equal plane with that Son of God, teaches that a fallible man (the priest) can absolve sins - if certain acts are followed - etc., etc, and a Baptist church that is following the Bible. THAT is where the NT commands to be separate come in.

And, BTW, Baptist are not Protestant. They were never part of the RCC to begin with. We've already discussed that point, remember?  So "other" Protestant church is a misnomer.

Being upfront with the pastor about retaining your membership in the RCC is not telling your beliefs to him. It's being honest about your intents. As the undershepherd of that church, he is responsible to protect the flock. And it is completely his business to know that you still align and defend the tenets of the RCC. You could become a wolf in his flock otherwise, as you will most definitely share your beliefs with other members, whether you think you will or not (the fact that you already know that others are members elsewhere as well as that church is proof that you've discussed this with at least one person...).

 

Here is the website address for that Baptist church I attend on Sunday mornings: rolchastings.org to look up their Statement of Faith and other information to prove that they are a biblical Baptist church. I have not and will not share my beliefs with any of the church members of River of Life Church(where I attend on Sunday mornings). I know that other members attend elsewhere as well as at River of Life Church is because I heard one lady state that she attends River of Life Church on Saturday Night Service and then attends another church on Sunday morning and because in the church directory that married couple who attend and are members of both the local Catholic parish and River of Life Church are listed as being members of River of Life Church. I do not defend the unscriptural Catholic doctrines and unscriptural parts of the Mass. I only defend the scriptural Catholic doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass.

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There is nothing scriptural about the Catholic church. You can protest all day long that there is, but one of two things: you are very unlearned in scripture, or you are spoofing us.

River of Life may have begun as a Baptist church, but it has done what far too many churches have: they've joined the emergent church movement. This is likely why you are comfortable in both the RCC and this church.

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37 minutes ago, John Yurich said:

I have not and will not share my beliefs with any of the church members of River of Life Church(where I attend on Sunday mornings).

If you thought your pastor's knowledge of your Catholic church membership would affect his decision to let you become a member of this baptist church, would you tell him?

And as for the Catholic church you attend, at some point you went through a fairly lengthy process of becoming a member that involved signing up to a load of doctrines, yes? If the vicar/head priest--whatever his title is--found out that you have since rejected half those doctrines, would that affect your membership and freedom to take communion in that Catholic church?

Obviously the main thing I'm asking is, do you believe you're keeping information from the heads of your respective churches that they would want to know? Regardless of the reason--I get it you've said you're a private person--but would they want to know in your opinion?

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So, essentially, you're lying to the leadership of BOTH churches, in order to live this double live that would get you kicked out of both. You don't see something wrong with all this? Christianity is about ending mysteries, not adding to them.  Ye cannot eat at the table of the Lord and the table of devils, yet this is what you're doing, and willingly, knowingly. You say you attend the mass-do you partake of the Eucahrist ceremony?

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On 6/20/2017 at 5:19 PM, TheSword1227 said:

You have a point about a born again believer not remaining in the roman catholic church. However, many do just that. Will they lose their salvation? No, but they probably won't grow much spiritually.

Some people, like Catholics, Mormons, etc get saved but choose to remain in that church for the sake of witnessing to others. I believe that's what the apostle Paul did. He would visit synagogues for the purpose of winning over the Jews.

The interesting thing is, Billy Graham would tell folks who came up front to receive Christ as Savior,  to go back to their churches. Why? Who knows.

Billy Graham is a false prophet, and a wolf in shepherds clothing and a Vatican puppet.

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19 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

There is nothing scriptural about the Catholic church. You can protest all day long that there is, but one of two things: you are very unlearned in scripture, or you are spoofing us.

River of Life may have begun as a Baptist church, but it has done what far too many churches have: they've joined the emergent church movement. This is likely why you are comfortable in both the RCC and this church.

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It is false that River of Life Church has joined the emergent church movement because Pastor Steve spoke out against the emergent church movement in one of his sermons. And in the yellow pages of the telephone book in the town where River of Life Church is located and where I reside River of Life Church is listed under Baptist churches. And everybody there from Pastor Steve to everybody in the congregation states they are Baptists and that River of Life Church is a Baptist church. I feel comfortable attending River of Life Church because Pastor Steve preaches the biblical doctrine of salvation. Listen to some of his sermons on the website and you will find out that he preaches the biblical doctrine of salvation. The website also states they preach the biblical doctrine of salvation. So there is nothing scriptural about the Catholic Church ? The doctrine that Jesus is God is not scriptural? The doctrine that the Bible is the inspired and infallible Word of God is not scriptural? The doctrines that Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead are not scriptural? So there are no scriptural parts of the Mass? Readings from the Bible are not scriptural? The Apostles and Nicene Creeds are not scriptural? Prayers to Jesus are not scriptural? The Gloria Prayer(prayer to the Holy Trinity) is not scriptural? The Lord's Prayer is not scriptural? the words of Jesus from the Last  Supper are not scriptural?

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John,

The fact that the RCC has some things right doesn't negate where they are wrong.

Did you know that Adolph Hitler actually did some good things? Sure he did.

  1. He rescued Germany's economy and had no unemployment.
  2. He was the first to pass environmental protection laws.
  3. He protected wildlife.
  4. He gave citizens free public health care.
  5. He gave citizens a free radio (that was a big deal back then).
  6. He completely removed Germany from any influence from international banking, created their own currency, and created their own public banking system that was completely out of the control of international bankers.

Now...knowing the good things Hitler did, would you align yourself with Hitler and Nazism...or would the bad things that Hitler did still give you the greater concern?

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I spent 18 years in the Roman Catholic church. In all that time I was Bible illiterate. I never grew spiritually. I just went through the motions because that's what was expected. We were all like sheep with our "vain repetitions."

Then I met some Christians and was invited to a Bible study. That was an eye opener for me and I was changed forever. I never went back to the RCC.

No, you can't be Catholic and a Baptist, or a  Methodist, or Pentecostal, etc etc. You can't mix "works" with grace. You can't mix Truth with error. You have to have the right foundation. If one's foundation is faulty, most every thing else that comes out of it will be faulty too.

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2 minutes ago, TheSword1227 said:

I spent 18 years in the Roman Catholic church. In all that time I was Bible illiterate. I never grew spiritually. I just went through the motions because that's what was expected. We were all like sheep with our "vain repetitions."

Then I met some Christians and was invited to a Bible study. That was an eye opener for me and I was changed forever. I never went back to the RCC.

No, you can't be Catholic and a Baptist, or a  Methodist, or Pentecostal, etc etc. You can't mix "works" with grace. You can't mix Truth with error. You have to have the right foundation. If one's foundation is faulty, most every thing else that comes out of it will be faulty too.

I was raised by Catholic parents to read the Bible almost every day. I know the outline of the Bible so well that I can go any book in the Bible within a matter of seconds. I was also raised by Catholic parents from the age of 8 to watch the Billy Graham Crusades on Television to learn the Evangelical Protestant doctrine of salvation. I don't mix works and grace. I don't mix truth with error. If I attend the local Catholic parish on Saturday's and the local Baptist church(where I was Baptized via immersion on 21 May as a public profession of faith that I gave my life to Christ) on Sunday mornings then I am both Catholic and Baptist.

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