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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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I am a Catholic who attends the local Catholic parish on Saturday Vigil Mass. I also attend the local Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I was Baptized via immersion(as a public profession of faith that I gave my life to Christ some 20 years ago) on 21 May 2017. I am both Catholic and Baptist as the result of having been Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church. In the fall I will take membership preparation class in order to become a member of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.

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With all due respect you cannot be both.  The Catholic mass is a scarifice where the 'priest' offers Christ as a sacrifice again and again. Scripture says "Christ died once and for all'

Heb 10:10  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

If you were baptised on just those two questions the pastor was in error.  You should have given a personal testimony which should have been also given yo the church.  You should also have given evidence that you had left you past life, which you obviously haven't. 

"The mass is a blasphemous fable and a dangerous deceipt."  One of The Anglican 59 articles.
 

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3 hours ago, Invicta said:

With all due respect you cannot be both.  The Catholic mass is a scarifice where the 'priest' offers Christ as a sacrifice again and again. Scripture says "Christ died once and for all'

Heb 10:10  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

If you were baptised on just those two questions the pastor was in error.  You should have given a personal testimony which should have been also given yo the church.  You should also have given evidence that you had left you past life, which you obviously haven't. 

"The mass is a blasphemous fable and a dangerous deceipt."  One of The Anglican 59 articles.
 

Excellent post

Although I may not be in 100% agreement with the baptism pre-reqs, I understand what you are saying:

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

**This does however indicate to me that Philip took the man's word for it. Perhaps we should ask the right question....

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6 hours ago, John Yurich said:

I am a Catholic who attends the local Catholic parish on Saturday Vigil Mass. I also attend the local Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I was Baptized via immersion(as a public profession of faith that I gave my life to Christ some 20 years ago) on 21 May 2017. I am both Catholic and Baptist as the result of having been Baptized via immersion at that Baptist Church. In the fall I will take membership preparation class in order to become a member of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings.

You "gave your life to Christ" 20 yrs ago. 10 people might define that 6-10 different ways. What do you mean? How does that work? If someone came to you and said, "Hey how can I get all my sins forgiven?", what would you tell them?

 

Yes, I asked 3 separate questions.

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Back in the 1950s, I think it was, Ian Paisly attended a depate at the Oxford Union during which he held up a Catholic wafer and said "This is the Roman Catholi god".  He got a lost of abuse for that, but Chiniquy (sp?) in his 50 years in the church of Rome, twive refers to the consecrated wafer as the "Bon Dieu, the good god". He mentios the the "Bon Dieu," was onve lost in the snow when taking it to parihioners in the winter and another time when it was dropped in a babies potty.  What sort of God was that?

This god also demands human sacrifices Many of the martyrs were asked one question. "Do you believe there is a real prescence in the mass?"  If they answered "No" then they were burnt to death.

I have a question for you, "Do you believe there is a real prescence in the mass?"

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On ‎6‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 4:41 PM, Invicta said:

With all due respect you cannot be both.  The Catholic mass is a scarifice where the 'priest' offers Christ as a sacrifice again and again. Scripture says "Christ died once and for all'

Heb 10:10  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

If you were baptised on just those two questions the pastor was in error.  You should have given a personal testimony which should have been also given yo the church.  You should also have given evidence that you had left you past life, which you obviously haven't. 

"The mass is a blasphemous fable and a dangerous deceipt."  One of The Anglican 59 articles.
 

Naturally I reject and repudiate the false Catholic doctrine that the Mass is a sacrifice. I also reject and repudiate all the other false Catholic doctrines and the false parts of the Mass. I adhere only to the scriptural Catholic doctrines and I only participate in the scriptural parts of the Mass.  When I met with that Baptist Pastor in April to arrange for the Baptism I was asked 2 questions: (1)Did I accept Jesus as my Savior and Lord? and (2)Did I trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation? And when I answered in the affirmative to both questions than that Baptist Pastor was satisfied that I was really saved and a proper candidate for Baptism via immersion. And before I was Baptized via immersion in front of a crowd I was asked those 2 questions again. On the day of the Baptism during worship at that Baptist church I attend on Sunday morning I went up front and before the congregation I gave my testimony of how I got saved. I stated that in November 1997 I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to accept Jesus as my Savior and Lord and to trust entirely in Him alone for salvation during an Altar Call that was given during a Wild Game Feed at a Non Denominational Church. There are several individuals who attend that Baptist Church that I attend who attend 2 different churches. I am both Catholic and Baptist since I attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches.

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17 hours ago, Invicta said:

Back in the 1950s, I think it was, Ian Paisly attended a depate at the Oxford Union during which he held up a Catholic wafer and said "This is the Roman Catholi god".  He got a lost of abuse for that, but Chiniquy (sp?) in his 50 years in the church of Rome, twive refers to the consecrated wafer as the "Bon Dieu, the good god". He mentios the the "Bon Dieu," was onve lost in the snow when taking it to parihioners in the winter and another time when it was dropped in a babies potty.  What sort of God was that?

This god also demands human sacrifices Many of the martyrs were asked one question. "Do you believe there is a real prescence in the mass?"  If they answered "No" then they were burnt to death.

I have a question for you, "Do you believe there is a real prescence in the mass?"

Of course I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of the real presence. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine of Holy Communion.

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3 hours ago, John Yurich said:

Of course I do not believe in the Catholic doctrine of the real presence. I accept the Lutheran doctrine of Holy Communion which states that Jesus is present in, with and under the bread and wine. I also accept the Baptist doctrine o

4 hours ago, John Yurich said:

Naturally I reject and repudiate the false Catholic doctrine that the Mass is a sacrifice. I also reject and repudiate all the other false Catholic doctrines and the false parts of the Mass. I adhere only to the scriptural Catholic doctrines and I only participate in the scriptural parts of the Mass.  When I met with that Baptist Pastor in April to arrange for the Baptism I was asked 2 questions: (1)Did I accept Jesus as my Savior and Lord? and (2)Did I trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation? And when I answered in the affirmative to both questions than that Baptist Pastor was satisfied that I was really saved and a proper candidate for Baptism via immersion. And before I was Baptized via immersion in front of a crowd I was asked those 2 questions again. On the day of the Baptism during worship at that Baptist church I attend on Sunday morning I went up front and before the congregation I gave my testimony of how I got saved. I stated that in November 1997 I was prompted by the Holy Spirit to accept Jesus as my Savior and Lord and to trust entirely in Him alone for salvation during an Altar Call that was given during a Wild Game Feed at a Non Denominational Church. There are several individuals who attend that Baptist Church that I attend who attend 2 different churches. I am both Catholic and Baptist since I attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches.

That would not qualify you for baptism in our church.  I stated our position.  When you are saved you leave your past life behind.  It seems you are trying to take it with you..  The scdipture says "Come out of her my people."

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Invicta said:

 

Invicta, That passage from scripture "Come out of her my people" is not required for salvation and entering Heaven.  The only requirement for salvation and entering Heaven is to embrace Jesus as ones Savior and Lord and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation. That is Baptist teaching. In the fall I will take membership preparation class during Adult Sunday School on Sunday mornings at that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday mornings to become a member of that Baptist Church. After finishing the membership preparation class I will then be presented to the congregation and the elders to become a member of that Baptist Church I attend on Sunday morning. I then will be a member of both a Catholic and Baptist Church.

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19 hours ago, John Yurich said:

Naturally I reject and repudiate the false Catholic doctrine that the Mass is a sacrifice. I also reject and repudiate all the other false Catholic doctrines and the false parts of the Mass. 

John,

I'm not asking you to answer this publicly here on the forum, but ask yourself why you would continue being a part of the RCC while you know they have false doctrines that you reject and repudiate.

What is THE reason that you stay? 

 

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1 hour ago, Alimantado said:

If you pull that off, you may as well try for Mormon Church membership too, hey even Scientology.

That is so ridiculous. I would never want to attend or even be a member of the Cults of Mormonism and Scientology since they don't worship Jesus as God. But since the Catholic Church worships Jesus as God than it is not a Cult. A Cult is a religious organization and does not worship Jesus as God. That is the definition of a Cult that I got from the late Presbyterian minister D. James Kennedy of Florida.

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John, why do you want to stay in the RCC? You have said yourself that it teaches serious false doctrines - doctrines that affect salvation itself. A person cannot be saved if they believe and follow the teachings of the RCC - they would be trusting in works, instead of Christ's finished work (once for all, accepted by grace through faith). You're right that RCC is not a cult - it is a false religion.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

 

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19 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

The teaching to come out from among them means to separate. For you to continue as a member of the RCC and try to obtain membership in a Baptist church at the same time brings up several issues.

First, either you have not told this Baptist pastor that you intend to retain your membership in the RCC, or, if you have told him, he doesn't have the discernment he needs.

Second, RCC doctrine is diametrically opposed to traditional (biblical) Baptist beliefs, so for you to desire to retain membership in the RCC and be a member of a Baptist church, attending both services shows a lack of discernment and biblical knowledge on your part.

There are verses before "come out from among them"...2 Corinthians 6 is quite clear. Verses 14-17 state: 

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing..."

The RCC is unrighteous. It is built on idolatry. There is no concord (agreement) between Christ and the RCC.  

You will never grow in Christ if you spend time attending RCC services thinking you are attending a church that honors God.

Of course I did not make my Baptist pastor cognizant that I attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches as it is none of his business. I don't like to discuss my beliefs that much with clergy. I am growing in Christ at that Baptist Church that I attend on Sunday mornings because I attend Adult Sunday School before worship, I fellowship with the congregation before worship and I am friends with half of the congregation. And I am very involved in various church activities at that Baptist Church from attending Adult Sunday School before worship to going to soup lunches and other meals after worship. Before I started attending that Baptist Church I was not that social and did not make friends easily. It is a lie that every Catholic doctrine is diametrically opposed to Biblical and Baptist doctrines as there are some biblical Catholic doctrines. And Catholics are not unbelievers since they worship Jesus as God. Unbelievers do not worship Jesus as God. Stating that 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 is required for salvation and entering Heaven is adding another requirement onto salvation.

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27 minutes ago, Salyan said:

John, why do you want to stay in the RCC? You have said yourself that it teaches serious false doctrines - doctrines that affect salvation itself. A person cannot be saved if they believe and follow the teachings of the RCC - they would be trusting in works, instead of Christ's finished work (once for all, accepted by grace through faith). You're right that RCC is not a cult - it is a false religion.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:21-23

 

I wish to remain in the Catholic Church because I was raised Catholic and I like the liturgical worship. I also like the non liturgical worship of the Baptist Church. I wish to be both Catholic and Baptist.

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18 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

I have to agree with Invicta and Happy: the Bible is very clear that the followers of Christ are supposed to come out of false religions, and the Catholic organization, (I won't call it a church), is an idolatrous cult, whether you personall adhere to it or not. The offices of Pope, Bishop and priest, as the Catholics define them, are completely unscriptural; their baptism is unscriptural, as it the Lutheran's; their Table is a table of devils, not of God; their core teachings of mariolatry, adoration of saints and church-established sainthood are an abomination; their very long history or sanctioning the murder of those who disagree with them is an affront to ANY believer; their pedobaptism gives a false hope to many of some sort of salvation; and their insistence that to go to heaven one must be a practicing Catholic is taking the place of the work of Christ.

frankly, there is not ONE good thing about the Catholic institution: they labored for centuries to deny man the word of God, murdering those who dared translate it to the vulgar tongue, or who dared own one of them. Tell me, what good is there in such a wicked and ungodly organization? Come out from among them and be ye separate, saith the Lord... 

It is false that every Catholic doctrine is unscriptural. There are scriptural Catholic doctrines and scriptural parts of the Mass. The Catholic Church worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God. If a Catholic who is Born Again by reason of having given their life to Christ and they trust entirely in Jesus alone for salvation and they attend both the Catholic and Baptist Churches than they are saved and will enter Heaven when they pass away. Isn't it good enough that I attend a Baptist Church on Sunday mornings without ceasing attending the Catholic Church on Saturdays? It is not required for salvation for one who gave their life to Christ to entirely leave the Catholic Church and only attend a Baptist Church.

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      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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