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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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OK, I'll be more to the point: There are a few "Baptists" who are staunch "KJV only". But they're dead because, although they tout themselves as "all truth", they have no spirit.

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Brother, I think we are in agreement. I travel all over the country and some parts of the world holding meetings and it seems to be the condition of the country! some churches have truth and lack in spirit, while others seem to have spirit but lack in truth. I am simply saying that if a church has truth , they have something to work with . Maybe the missing ingredient are the folks who have the discernment that you and I have about it . perhaps we are the missing link.I am sure the answer would not be to stay at home until the truth filled church gets a revival. perhaps if I went to be a spiritual help rather than get some help maybe I could make a difference. I am not suggesting in any way that you are the problem But maybe my attitude is in need of repair. Thanks for the wake up call. be blessed.

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Wow, lots of good info.     I was a bit misleading on my first post.  It isn't that I can't find good ifb churches.  I'll explain what I meant by the statement.   I have spent the last fourty plus years in KJV only IFB churches.  The first one closed down after 36 years, now this one is closing down.  A serious of church splits have sent the members of both churches to the only other IFB church (that isn't Calvanist) in the area that have soul winning programs etc.  I prefer not to go where everyone else fled to because of hurt feelings etc.  We do have a small IFB KJV only church which doesn't appear to be growing, a Southern Baptist church that has no web page for me to check out, and a Misssionary Baptist Church of which I have known the Pastors wife since she was a child.  I know that I should stay away from churches affiliated heavily with the SBC, I just don't know what a Missionary Baptist really is.  Their doctrinal statement appears to be very good though.  I'm not checking any out yet until my church closes, but I am laying the groundwork.  I so hate when Satan gets into a church and causes so much distruction.

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On 5/27/2017 at 1:00 AM, Invicta said:

Not exactly true.  In the county in England where my ancestors were from, Norfolk,  The first Baptists were Particular Baptist from the 1640s  The general Baptist came from outside the county, later.,  See C B Jewson's histories of Baptists in Norfolk and Norwich. Two of my great grandfather's sisters emigrated to Oz.  One beca\me a missionary to India

 

Actually, what I wrote IS EXACTLY TRUE.

You made a partial quote for the purposes of presenting my information in such a way that you could oppose me, but the fact is that I set the time as "the first half of the 1600's (about 1630-ish)", and I am talking about the actual division into particular and general baptists, not some local arrival of a particular group, which is what you have presented.

Prior to this time there was no division along those lines, and as such there was no such thing as a "Particular baptist", or a "General Baptist".

For you to state "Not exactly true" means that you are calling me a liar, but you then present absolutely no evidence contrary to my information, in spite of your deliberate attempt to misrepresent me. It seems as though your only reason for posting in this thread was to oppose my points without presenting any opposing information.

 

Baptist Senior, I apologise for having a rant in your thread, but this is the guy I was alluding to in the post which he misquoted.

He consistently rewrites history to suit his own theology, and I would advise you to ignore pretty much anything he says about history, and absolutely anything he says about prophecy.

Search his posts and you will see what I mean.

And watch out for his childish response which will say something like:

On 4/27/2017 at 8:06 AM, Invicta said:

And I would counsel you to ignore anything DaveW says about prophecy  His teachings are not Baptist but Plymouth Brethren. I have been there, I know.

And that, by the way is also a lie, and he knows it.

(I will post nothing further about Invicta in this thread. I will only respond to the original point of the thread.)

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On your first point you have not atually proved me wrong, only passed an opinion.  If you can prove me wrong from evidence I will apologise. I have never called you a liar, and I have noo intention ever to, although I believe you are wrong on a number of issues.  

On the second point I was correct.  The Brethren spread the teaching arpond the world..

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On 5/25/2017 at 1:47 PM, Baptistsenior said:

If you could not find an IFB church in your area, what kind of Baptist churches would you never attend?   

Any which hold "Arminian" beliefs like Freewill Baptists or any which are Calvinists like Primitive Baptist.

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24 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

Which ones would you say are not part of those two groups?  

Southern Baptist and IFB but not entirely. I personally haven't come across any IFB's or Southern Baptists who are "Arminian" in doctrine but, unfortunately, there are some in each of these labels who are Calvinists. You would just have to visit a church and find out if it is or isn't.

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44 minutes ago, heartstrings said:

Southern Baptist and IFB but not entirely. I personally haven't come across any IFB's or Southern Baptists who are "Arminian" in doctrine but, unfortunately, there are some in each of these labels who are Calvinists. You would just have to visit a church and find out if it is or isn't.

I listened to a radio preacher for a couple years before I realized that he was a calvanist, hope I'm not in a church that long before I figure it out LOL 

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The only baptist church I know around here that uses the KJV is a Gospel Standard Church, that is a Strict and Particular Baptist, an ulra calvinist church. There  is another that recently changed from NIV to KJV but after the family that forced that through all left the church, I am not sure if they still do.

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I know of a Maranatha Baptist church near where I live. It is very conservative. The women dress much like the Mennonites/Amish. Very plain, long dresses.

I used to attend American Baptist. It has an early Sunday service run only by the laity and the pastor rarely ever attended. When he did, he sat in the back. The laity would put on skits and each week a different person would give the sermon.

On 6/13/2017 at 0:22 PM, Baptistsenior said:

I listened to a radio preacher for a couple years before I realized that he was a calvanist, hope I'm not in a church that long before I figure it out LOL 

Might be a good idea when looking for a church to set up an appointment with the pastor and ask what his beliefs are.

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On 6/25/2017 at 7:42 AM, TheSword1227 said:

Might be a good idea when looking for a church to set up an appointment with the pastor and ask what his beliefs are.

I knew an Independent Fundamental Baptist church who got a new Pastor who swore he wasn't Calvanist, within a couple years that church got rid of the KJV and became a Calvanist church 

 

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30 minutes ago, Baptistsenior said:

I knew an Independent Fundamental Baptist church who got a new Pastor who swore he wasn't Calvanist, within a couple years that church got rid of the KJV and became a Calvanist church 

 

What Bible do they use now? ESV?

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