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I just finished reading the book entitled Why Johnny Can't Sing Hymns by T. David Gordon.  It has the subtitle:  How Pop Culture Rewrote the Hymnal.

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48 minutes ago, Tyndale said:

I just finished reading the book entitled Why Johnny Can't Sing Hymns by T. David Gordon.  It has the subtitle:  How Pop Culture Rewrote the Hymnal.

Excellent book. They interviewed the author on The White Horse Inn. It's probably archived online somewhere and well worth the effort to find. 

There are also two companion books: Why Johnny Can't Preach and another one, the name of which escapes me. 

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I don't do much readin' n'all cause its a might bit hard fer me to git what there a'sayin...usin all them-there fancy words n'all. I's had skoolin but I only lernt them three Rs...runnin, restlin, and recess.  

I jis like them pikture books that I can color. I can draw all kinda doohickys on the pages to.

I's fixin to thank bout maybe a'readin one a them-there big books though called Dick and Jane...if'n I kin.

 

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18 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I don't do much readin' n'all cause its a might bit hard fer me to git what there a'sayin...usin all them-there fancy words n'all. I's had skoolin but I only lernt them three Rs...runnin, restlin, and recess.  

I jis like them pikture books that I can color. I can draw all kinda doohickys on the pages to.

I's fixin to thank bout maybe a'readin one a them-there big books though called Dick and Jane...if'n I kin.

 

Your teachers larned you the 3 Rs? I larned the three Fs -- Fightin', Flirtin' and Fritterin' away time.

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13 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

A.W. Pink - "Christian Fools"

Wayne Carver - "Chronology of the Crucifixion Week"

Pink is a Calvinist...if anyone wants to know.

Not sure about Carver...and don't care to find out.

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1 minute ago, D-28 Player said:

And even in a friendly thread some folks can't leave their hatred at the door 

 

LOL! No hatred whatsoever.

Let's see...

22 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Pink is a Calvinist...if anyone wants to know.

I don't see a bit of hatred in those words at all. I see information.

I'm simply just letting people know that Pink is a Calvinist. I've seen unknowing non-Calvinists receive Pink's books freely, because his books were "recommended and given to them" by others. I'm just letting people know what you're recommending (by default). If they want to read Pink's books, that's their prerogative...but at least now they know a little more than those whom I saw gladly accept his books like a kid on Christmas...because someone they trusted and respected gave the books to them. 

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1 minute ago, D-28 Player said:

And even in a friendly thread some folks can't leave their hatred at the door 

 

Pointing out that A.W. Pink is a Calvinist is far from "hatred", it is simply an observation.

You have accused others here of "hatred" for simply expressing an opinion different from yours. This tendency to label as "hatred" anything that  disagrees with the original premise reminds me of left leaning liberals in the secular world. In the liberal world everything that opposes the liberal's ideas and assertions is always labeled, "hatred." It's all a  part of the "political correctness" that is so prevalent in these times.

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9 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

LOL! No hatred whatsoever.

Let's see...

I don't see a bit of hatred in those words at all. I see information.

I'm simply just letting people know that Pink is a Calvinist. I've seen unknowing non-Calvinists receive Pink's books freely, because his books were "recommended and given to them" by others. I'm just letting people know what you're recommending (by default). If they want to read Pink's books, that's their prerogative...but at least now they know a little more than those whom I saw gladly accept his books like a kid on Christmas...because someone they trusted and respected gave the books to them. 

Indeed. I have read and am willing to read A. W. Pink's writings (even as I have read and am willing to read other Calvinist's writings), and indeed it is accurate to indicate that A. W. Pink was a proponent of the Calvinistic system.  In fact, I believe that A. W. Pink would have acknowledged that very truth concerning himself, without possessing any "hatred" toward himself in so doing.

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8 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Pointing out that A.W. Pink is a Calvinist is far from "hatred", it is simply an observation.

You have accused others here of "hatred" for simply expressing an opinion different from yours. 

No I've pointed out their hatred for expressing their opinions in a vitriolic fashion and directing scorn upon a specific group of people and against me personally for trying to defend that group. 

Most people outside of this place are able to express different opinions politely and respectfully. I belong to a couple of Christian Facebook groups that include both Calvinists and Arminians.

There there's some good natured ribbing but it's all in fun and we all understand that we're brothers and sisters in Christ. Here it's just ugly. People repeatedly slander Calvinists to the point that I was told that even though I'm not a Calvinist I'm not saved because I defend Calvinists.  

If this is the fruit Arminianism produces then I have to wonder why anybody in his right ind would want to be an Arminian. 

But if I didn't understand why IFBs have the reputation they have before I sure do now.

Now can we please just have a friendly conversation about what books we're reading. 

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8 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

No I've pointed out their hatred for expressing their opinions in a vitriolic fashion and directing scorn upon a specific group of people and against me personally for trying to defend that group. 

Most people outside of this place are able to express different opinions politely and respectfully. I belong to a couple of Christian Facebook groups that include both Calvinists and Arminians.

There there's some good natured ribbing but it's all in fun and we all understand that we're brothers and sisters in Christ. Here it's just ugly. People repeatedly slander Calvinists to the point that I was told that even though I'm not a Calvinist I'm not saved because I defend Calvinists.  

If this is the fruit Arminianism produces then I have to wonder why anybody in his right ind would want to be an Arminian. 

But if I didn't understand why IFBs have the reputation they have before I sure do now.

Now can we please just have a friendly conversation about what books we're reading. 

Sir, you were the one who started out showing vitriol and scorn. I was respectful, DaveW was respectful, et al. 

Here, you show your misunderstanding of who we are. We are neither Calvinists nor Arminians. Both groups have things that we agree with, yet both miss the mark in the end. To quantify us as Arminians shows that your are biased and unlearned in your understanding. 

If you want to have a friendly conversation, then you must needs reflect upon how you yourself have responded. You have neither answered questions nor explained Calvinism as you said you would. Rather, you have taken the low road in how YOU respond to US. You came here...we didn't come to you.

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27 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

There there's some good natured ribbing but it's all in fun and we all understand that we're brothers and sisters in Christ.

One last point of reference...

In your response to Orval's question in the MacArthur thread, you gave your testimony in response to his question.

In regard to that response, I would think that you...of all people...would have an understanding and compassion (based on your own experience) to show us where we are wrong in our understanding of Calvinism. Yet, you have failed to do so. Rather than drawing from your own pre-Calvinistic preconceived ideas regarding Calvinism (in order to better our understanding regarding Calvinism), you resorted to the same old tired and convoluted diatribes that are so often ascribed to debates...shame your opponent, mock their intelligence, and give vague and condescending answers that really aren't answers at all.

Shame on you.

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40 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

No I've pointed out their hatred for expressing their opinions in a vitriolic fashion and directing scorn upon a specific group of people and against me personally for trying to defend that group. 

Most people outside of this place are able to express different opinions politely and respectfully. I belong to a couple of Christian Facebook groups that include both Calvinists and Arminians.

There there's some good natured ribbing but it's all in fun and we all understand that we're brothers and sisters in Christ. Here it's just ugly. People repeatedly slander Calvinists to the point that I was told that even though I'm not a Calvinist I'm not saved because I defend Calvinists.  

If this is the fruit Arminianism produces then I have to wonder why anybody in his right ind would want to be an Arminian. 

But if I didn't understand why IFBs have the reputation they have before I sure do now.

Now can we please just have a friendly conversation about what books we're reading. 

Actually D-28 I left a well known forum after being a member for ten years because the Calvinists could not speak kindly to anyone apart from those in their own camp.  What was a thriving community of open communication has now become a grave yard filled Reformed theological bones.  I find the folks here much more kind toward views everyone does not embrace.  Even you are not as abrasive as those I have engaged on the other forum.    

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3 minutes ago, Orval said:

Actually D-28 I left a well known forum after being a member for ten years because the Calvinists could not speak kindly to anyone apart from those in their own camp.  What was a thriving community of open communication has now become a grave yard filled Reformed theological bones.  I find the folks here much more kind toward views everyone does not embrace.  Even you are ot as abrasive as those I have on the other forum.    

I'm sorry somebody was mean to you. If true, they were wrong to do that. However, seeing how you all treat people here, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for you. You find the people here "kind" because you agree with them. You don't even have to be a Calvinist. Just defend a Calvinist and lets see how "kind" they are to you.

Now is this forum about books we're reading or not?

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I am currently reading Brother Scott Markle's book God's Wisdom for Marriage and the Home.  I have found it to be very informative and an excellent foundation book for teaching.  My wife and I are considering taking one chapter per week and using it to challenge ourselves in understanding one another better.  BTW we have been married 47 years.

5 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

I'm sorry somebody was mean to you. If true, they were wrong to do that. However, seeing how you all treat people here, I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for you. You find the people here "kind" because you agree with them. You don't even have to be a Calvinist. Just defend a Calvinist and lets see how "kind" they are to you.

Now is this forum about books we're reading or not?

There was no reason for your response to me to be so arrogantly defiant. 

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14 minutes ago, Orval said:

There was no reason for your response to me to be so arrogantly defiant. 

Given that you went on to intentionally lie about my beliefs and by extension the teachings of Calvinism which you insist I hold to I don't think I was nearly defiant enough 

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20 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

You find the people here "kind" because you agree with them.

Just for your information...

Orval has presented some views that others here don't necessarily agree with. No one attacked him...no one shamed him...and no one mocked his intelligence or understanding of scripture. 

2 minutes ago, D-28 Player said:

Given that you went on to intentionally lie about my beliefs and by extension the teachings of Calvinism which you insist I hold to I don't think I was nearly defiant enough 

Then why haven't you done as you said you would...answer questions and explain Calvinism? Your continuous refusal to do so only serves to make you look as though you have only one purpose here...to cause division and stir up strife.

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