Members Bob from England Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 I've come across a booklet by a man named J M Carroll called "The Trail of Blood" about the history of Baptist churches. Does anyone know of this booklet? Is the history recounted true and factual, or has it been embellished in some way? Any help or advice would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Popular Post Alan Posted March 2, 2017 Members Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) "The Trail of Blood," by J.M. Carroll is fairly accurate. As with a lot of history, especially church history, it is not perfect. The Chart, "The Trail of Blood," that is in the back, and the dates therein, are fairly accurate. The main thrust of the 'Trail of Blood' is to show that the New Testament church has no denominational headquarters, no school of scholars, no board of men to control it. The beauty of the Trail of Blood is to show that the Roman Catholic Church, the Reformed churches that came out of the Roman Catholic church, are man-made religious organizations with a denominational headquarters and a denominational machine to make sure that the saints in their churches are fed from denominational scholars, printing presses, men in the pulpit who will follow the denominational path. The chart is the main thrust of the book. It is invaluable. The beauty of the Trail of blood is to show the true brethren in the New Testament church that God preserved His word and not church history. Yes, The Trail of Blood is worthy for every saint to read it and every pastor to use it to accurately explain church history. Alan Edited March 2, 2017 by Alan spelling 1Timothy115, John Young, Jim_Alaska and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 Just to make it patently clear. This booklet shows that the believer, saved by grace through faith, endued with the Holy Spirit, has NO connection to the Church of Rome, Romish church, RCC (or whatever they want to call themselves). As example: For myself, I did not separate from the Romish church nor was I a member of a 'protestant' movement. I am an Independent Fundamental blood washed member of my local assembly which happens to be called an Independent Baptist Church. ..., swathdiver, Disciple.Luke and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 7 hours ago, The real Bob Hutton said: I've come across a booklet by a man named J M Carroll called "The Trail of Blood" about the history of Baptist churches. Does anyone know of this booklet? Is the history recounted true and factual, or has it been embellished in some way? Any help or advice would be appreciated. ToB, fails early on when it includes the Montanists in the line of Baptists. They were a heretical charismatic cult who practised tongues and prophecy. They were the first to believe that there were two kinds of sins, venal and mortal, later adopted by the Catholics. After Tertullian joined them The Waldensians, also included claim their separation from Rome to the time of Pope Sylvester. Sylvester was Bishop of Rome at the time of Constantine. Sylvester seems to be a major part of their history as 800 years after they still refer back to him.(The Noble Lesson) E B Elliott believes that they came from a line through Claude Bishop of Turin. He also says that most of the most of the believers of the dark ages trace their teaching back to the evangelical doctrines of Augustine of Hippo. Augustine of Canterbury, who it is often said brought Christianity to England, (a lie, he brought Catholicism) also baptised, he baptised 10,000 in the River Swale, including the king of Kent, not to far from us, Bob. He Converted the Saxons, but the Briton believers were persecuted. The faith was probably brought to England in the time of the apostles. Justin Martyr was also a baptist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ... Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 I have been hearing about this book for a while now, so I just ordered a copy. Can't wait. 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 50 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said: I have been hearing about this book for a while now, so I just ordered a copy. Can't wait. You can find it on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ... Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Invicta said: You can find it on line. I'm more of a hold it in your hand, real paper book kind of fellow. Edited March 3, 2017 by Brother Stafford Invicta, 1Timothy115 and swathdiver 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members weary warrior Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 I read it years ago while still a young preacher in Texas. I was surrounded by a LOT of IFB pastors and preachers who were also militant Baptist Briders, and that little book was one of their text books. The fellows who recommended the book, and the way they used it, left a bad taste in my mouth. I never did re-visit the little book, though maybe I should now. ... and fastjav390 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alan Posted March 2, 2017 Members Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, weary warrior said: I read it years ago while still a young preacher in Texas. I was surrounded by a LOT of IFB pastors and preachers who were also militant Baptist Briders, and that little book was one of their text books. The fellows who recommended the book, and the way they used it, left a bad taste in my mouth. I never did re-visit the little book, though maybe I should now. Weary warrior, I understand your thoughts. I am not a Baptist Brider (much less a militant one). I would probably have been offended also if I was in your shoes at the time. I am sorry to know that initially it left a bad taste in your mourth due to the spirit of the men who used the Trail of Blood improperly. Men are men. Even some of the Spirit led men in the IFB churches can be rude, uncaring, hard to deal with, and at times, are overly passionate. Sometimes we (I am including myself), forget the words of Paul the Apostle in 2 Timothy 2:24, "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient." The Trail of Blood is a teaching aid. As with any teaching aid, a person needs to learn how to use it properly and in the proper spirit. It is my hope that you do re-visit the Trail of Blood. As one carefully reads the Trail of Blood, besides the points that I mentioned above, a person can see that the church history outside of the Roman Catholic church is filled with persecution from inside the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic church (and some of the leaders of the Reformed churches afterward), are simply fulfilling the natural effects of Galatians 4:29, "But as he that was born after the flesh persecuted him tha was born after the Spirit, even so it is now." Brethren, Carroll is trying to point out that the men, and assemblies, were local, independent, and Baptist in distictive (as it was brought out in the "Condeminum" thread started by Brother Stafford), almost all of the non-denominational churches could not afford signs,could not write nor read, did not have denominational writers, and did not have the money that the denominational churches had to support schools, seminaries, printing presses, and denominational puppets in the churches. They were almost all Baptist in disctictives and maybe not in print. Here is the link to, "The Compendium of Baptist History," thread by Brother Strafford. Yes, a few of the men, and a few of the groups, that Carroll brought out in the Trail of Blood did have problems as Invicta pointed out. But, they were still independent of the Roman Catholic denominational machine and were persecuted; oftentimes to the death. How many of us have been physically persecuted? Mobbed by religious fanatics? homes destroyed? lives ruined? publicly humiliated? slandered? Even to this day the brethren, and the groups listed in The Trail of Blood, in spite of the intense persecution they endured, is publicly slandered among the denominational machine sholars, writers, internet theologians, and 'church history' books. God will set the church history record straight in eternity. Alan Edited March 3, 2017 by Alan spelling grammer (deleted two words 'when they' ..., Jim_Alaska, John Young and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 3, 2017 Members Share Posted March 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Brother Stafford said: I'm more of a hold in your hand, real paper book kind of fellow. I would contact these folks first before ordering. Make sure it is the original little red pamphlet with the fold out... Available as a printed booklet from: Ashland Avenue Baptist Church 163 N. Ashland Avenue Lexington, KY 40502 606-266-4341 Also, the link to the online pdf file without the fold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ... Posted March 3, 2017 Members Share Posted March 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, 1Timothy115 said: I would contact these folks first before ordering. Make sure it is the original little red pamphlet with the fold out... Available as a printed booklet from: Ashland Avenue Baptist Church 163 N. Ashland Avenue Lexington, KY 40502 606-266-4341 Also, the link to the online pdf file without the fold out. I already placed my order. I ordered this one: The Trail of Blood. 1Timothy115 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted March 3, 2017 Members Share Posted March 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said: I already placed my order. I ordered this one: The Trail of Blood. I haven't had one for many years and may order my own copy. I prefer them in my hand too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bob from England Posted March 3, 2017 Author Members Share Posted March 3, 2017 10 hours ago, weary warrior said: I read it years ago while still a young preacher in Texas. I was surrounded by a LOT of IFB pastors and preachers who were also militant Baptist Briders, and that little book was one of their text books. The fellows who recommended the book, and the way they used it, left a bad taste in my mouth. I never did re-visit the little book, though maybe I should now. Pardon my ignorance but what, or who, are "Baptist Briders"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members No Nicolaitans Posted March 3, 2017 Members Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, The real Bob Hutton said: Pardon my ignorance but what, or who, are "Baptist Briders"? In short, Baptist Briders believe that only true Baptists will comprise the Bride of Christ and be seated at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. All other saved people aren't part of the Bride. Those other believers are called "the family of God", and they will be serve those seated during the Marriage Supper. Edited March 3, 2017 by No Nicolaitans LindaR and fastjav390 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members fastjav390 Posted March 4, 2017 Members Share Posted March 4, 2017 It's Baptist Brider rubbish. In other words, John Wesley will be waiting on Billy Graham at the wedding feast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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