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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Brethren,

President Trump is seriously considering leaving the U.S. participation (membership), of the United Nations Human Rights Council due to its blatant anti-Israel policy agenda.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/01/us-reconsidering-membership-in-un-council-urges-end-to-israel-obsession.html

The membership and participation in this anti-Semitic, and unholy, U.N. Human Rights Council was initiated by Obama.

This action would not only be great for America, but also for Israel, and for our relationship as a country with the will of God helping the Jews as much as we can.

Alan 

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Brethren,

President Trump sign an order to rescind numerous Obama-era Environmental Protection Agency regulations on the Coal industry.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/28/trump-signs-executive-order-rolling-back-obama-era-energy-regs.html

In my opinion, the Obama-era regulations were harmful to the American economy. They were partially implemented  due to the climate change activists, politically minded politicians who were power-hungry, greedy individuals like Al Gore, and the globalists who want to tax the world and take away the freedoms that American's enjoy.

In my opinion, President Trump's directives will be beneficial to America. President Trump is acting for the benefit of Americans and not for a global society.

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Alan,

My sense of the current situation concerning Mr. Trump is that the American media will never let the American people know anything about the current administration unless it can be delivered with a negative slant.  I am not implying he has done everything right (no one does) but I believe that he has done some really good things we may never see in the newspapers or main line media.  That said Mr. Obama surely went against the wishes of the American public with what is referred to as Obama Care, had there been a vote of Americans the insurance plan would never have gotten to first base.  And now to see him go after environment fanatics is good in my eyes because like yourself I know that for the next 1007 years the world will be just fine environmentally.     

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19 hours ago, Orval said:

My sense of the current situation concerning Mr. Trump is that the American media will never let the American people know anything about the current administration unless it can be delivered with a negative slant. 

The comments by Orval are correct and indicative of the world's attitude towards those people (whether in the church or not), who do right. An individual can see this in politics, business, church history, history of the Jews, and in some churches. 

One of the reasons why the true church history of true local New Testament churches, and the history of correct doctrine, is  skewed (or distorted), is that the false teachers among the churches are more numerous than true teachers of the scriptures. False teachers of the scriptures, and denominational teachers, will ignore, disparage (or to speak of in a slighting way),  speak with a negative slant, of those within the true churches. We are seeing this negative speaking, and writing (especially among internet theologians), of men of God even within the IFB churches.

Orval is correct.

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Brethren,

Please take notice that I did not say one thing about the Healthcare bill that Trump tried to pass, nor have (to my knowledge), said in this thread that the Trump Healthcare bill is a good, or great thing, for America. 

To give one recent example; when I quoted Orval I deliberately did not quote his thoughts on heathcare. 

I also understand that Trump is not righteous in all that he does. In fact, if you notice my postings, I am being very selective in what I post. This is deliberate on my part. I do not agree with all that Trump does, is doing, or is going to do. I am just trying to focus on the actions that Trump is doing that I feel will make America great.

Please, do not make this thread into a debate about the Health care mess. I have my own thoughts on the issue and for now I will keep them private.

Alan

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An Apology and an Explanation,

Even though the Health care issue was mentioned, as I mentioned before, I deliberately did not quote it nor reference to it. I am sorry if anybody felt  that I misled them.

This is not a balanced thread. I did not intend it to be a balanced thread. President Trump has so many character traits that I do not feel is worthy to mention, nor do I agree on some of his polices are good for America (including his Health care agenda), that I have had to limit this thread.

It is my hope that all of us can find some ground of discussion within the framework of this thread. I want to include everybody in this discussion. As Dale Carnegie aptly put it, I am 'trying to win friends,' (I think all of you know the rest of the phrase).

Brethren,

My sole intention on this thread is to express the good things that President Trump is doing to help our country become a great country. Hopefully, he will do so according to the law of the land; the Constitution. And, hopefully, the House of Representatives and Senate will act like Statesmen, and not politicians with a personal agenda, and get behind some of the good things that President Trump is trying to pass into law.

The United States has almost been destroyed through the lawlessness, liberal, globalist, and communistic agenda of the Obama administration. I sense that President Trump is trying very hard to get rid of the destructive agenda, destructive regulations, and destructive personnel that permeates the 'swamp at DC.'

Therefore, this thread is to post those good actions of President Trump. I do not think Trump's action of Health care is beneficial for America, so, I do not care to discuss it, nor is it in the realm of the intention of this thread.

Alan

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Like i said before; Mr. Trump ain't going to be perfect. He's a politician, not a pastor (none of those are perfect either). I think the man, however flawed, has the best intentions for our Nation as opposed to Obama and the Clintons who intended to destroy it

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For a forum group that is supposed to enjoy social engagement on any topic there seems to be a tab bit of tender toes amongst the collective membership. Might I suggest we assume others are friendly and can have differing opinions without being frustrated. Social issues are of interest to all (i.e. social) and no two people will agree on every point of a discussion. So, smile, shake your head and praise the Lord we are not all alike God made us different. I loved the line in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves when the little girl asks Azeem if “God painted him”, he replies “yes” because “Allah (Aramaic for God) loves wondrous variety”. That is what we have in the forum “wondrous variety” enjoy it.

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Alas! Being imperfect, we are all prone to make mistakes:sorry: . Especially when it comes to social and political issues  :4_6_103: they sometimes make us harried :4_2_204v: .

So, when I started this thread I tried to make it a positive issue :4_6_100: and limited it to one thought :think_smiley_42: : How the policies of President Trump will help America become great again. I understand that the goal is very limited, perhaps too limited, and have some of the brethren a little concerned (probably rightly so), but, after pulling my hair out what to do :3531a34faafcd3d5ab8749a94f57319e: , please bear with me :15_1_63:  . I will try and take heed to the admonition of the wisest King in the world; "Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: ..." Proverbs 4:27a

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2 hours ago, Alan said:

Alas! Being imperfect, we are all prone to make mistakes:sorry: . Especially when it comes to social and political issues  :4_6_103: they sometimes make us harried :4_2_204v: .

So, when I started this thread I tried to make it a positive issue :4_6_100: and limited it to one thought :think_smiley_42: : How the policies of President Trump will help America become great again. I understand that the goal is very limited, perhaps too limited, and have some of the brethren a little perturbed :4_2_204v:(probably rightly so), but, after pulling my hair out what to do :3531a34faafcd3d5ab8749a94f57319e: , please bear with me :15_1_63:  . I will try and take heed to the admonition of the wisest King in the world; "Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: ..." Proverbs 4:27a

Alan

 

Once again brother Alan I am being force to a refresher course hieroglyphics.  The drawings are so hard to understand. :4_12_2:

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Brethren,

President Trump just signed two new Executive Orders to eliminate the effects off the previous administrations bad trade deals with foreign countries.

I would like to give all of the brethren two of the noteworthy quotes from President Trump.

1. "The theft of American prosperity will end."

2. "Jobs and wealth have been stripped from our country."

President Trump will bring back manufacturing and jobs to America. This action will help America become the great nation it once was economically.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5380884625001/?#sp=show-clips

Alan

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Brethren,

Here is some relaxing music to listen too while we wait for more good news from our Government. It may take  awhile before I can report more good news. So, sit back, open up the Book of Psalms, and pray for our leaders that they will do, "...  that which was right in the sight of the LORD ..." 1 Kings 15:11

Note: On April 5, 2020 I noticed that the original song was not longer available and uploaded a different song; "Blessed Assurance."

I do hope "Blessed Assurance" is a blessing to all of the brethren.

 

 

God bless!

Alan

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I don't like Trump bombing Syria. Especially when there is no proof that Assad had anything to do with it except from what the "White Helmets" have said who have already been proven to be in league with Al-Qaeda. Trump said  during his campaign he would not get involved over there with regime changes that only make matters worse. This has the Neo-Con stamp of approval all over it.

I'm also disappointed with him selecting Kevin Hassett as his economic advisor. Hassett is 100% pro-illegal immigration and outsourcing and is a former chairman of the Council of Foreign Relations. So more broken promises by Trump. I think we can forget about the Wall.

I think the 24/7 hammering he has been taking by the globalists and liberal MSM has worn him down. Let's hope he doesn't become a CFR stooge. 

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President Reagan also had CFR people in his cabinet (McFarland if memory serves).  Is this a case of ignorance or keeping your enemies close?  I don't know.

As for Syria, we have no business as they are not a threat to our national security (As I see it).  At times Syria has cooperated with us even though their government is Marxist-Leninist and a longtime ally of the Soviet Union and today's Russia.

North Korea poses a threat to our allies.  The USS Pueblo would either be back in our hands or sitting on the bottom of their harbor if I were President.  Like the Japanese on Wake Island during WW2, I would let the 7th Fleet use them for target practice. 

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I am not american, so I really don't have much right to say anything, but if I may be allowed an observation.......

I think that the fact that Trump is actually not a politician is both a good and bad thing: it means that he often makes decisions without thinking about the political fallout, but it also means that he often makes decisions without thinking about the political fallout........ :laugh:

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In a speech at the 2017 NRA (National Rifle Association), convention President Trump not only defended the Constitutional (the Second Amendment), right for us to 'bear arms.' He said, "The eight year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end."

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5415343978001/?#sp=show-clips

President Trump is making America great again by undoing the destructive Obama, Clinton, and other democratic political leaders, regulations that have been put in force in order to destroy the Constitution of the United States of America and take away our constitutional right to 'bear arms.'

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On 3/30/2017 at 2:49 PM, Orval said:

“yes” because “Allah (Aramaic for God) loves wondrous variety”. That is what we have in the forum “wondrous variety” enjoy it.

I have been away for a while, so forgive me for popping in abruptly. But I felt the need to make a correction here; "allah" is NOT God. He is the "god" of islam. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that "allah has no son".

The One true God... the God of Abraham ,Isaac, and Jacob, the God who created all things, the Alpha and Omega, the omnipotent and omniscient God the Father DOES INDEED have a Son... His only BEGOTTEN Son, Christ Jesus. Therefore the "god" they call "allah" is not at all the same God I worship.

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Sorry for disrupting your thread, brother Alan.  I am just now reading and catching up some... an excellent thread on the topic. I must also say that we knew where the US was headed under the past democrat administration, and it was NOT in the direction of Christian rights and freedoms.  

While President Trump is not a perfect man (none are), he DOES stand for the constitution, Christian freedoms, he has avowed to be a friend to Israel, and it could very well be that the Lord has given us a reprieve to give the gospel to the lost in these last days. Had the left won, there is little doubt in my mind that we would have seen even MORE loss of freedoms, and MORE trampling of the constitution than we already have. 

Censorship from the left is on the rise... I can attest to being banned for 24 hours on facebook for sharing a Bible verse (Isaiah 5:20, ironically). Other sisters in Christ have ALSO been given bans for sharing either sermon videos or scripture as well. The media (including social media) in the US are predominantly owned by the left. They want to shut free speech down and control the narrative in the hopes that they will again win the presidency in 2020. The President is correct in calling the media out for their bias and complete censorship of all things conservative as well as Christian. For that reason I pray in thankfulness to the Lord that He has given us this reprieve, however short it may end up being, to share the gospel freely in public. 

I also pray for our president every day, as scripture tells us to:
1 Tim. 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Maranatha!
 

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9 hours ago, Ronda said:

I have been away for a while, so forgive me for popping in abruptly. But I felt the need to make a correction here; "allah" is NOT God. He is the "god" of islam. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that "allah has no son".

The One true God... the God of Abraham ,Isaac, and Jacob, the God who created all things, the Alpha and Omega, the omnipotent and omniscient God the Father DOES INDEED have a Son... His only BEGOTTEN Son, Christ Jesus. Therefore the "god" they call "allah" is not at all the same God I worship.

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Sorry for disrupting your thread, brother Alan.  I am just now reading and catching up some... an excellent thread on the topic. I must also say that we knew where the US was headed under the past democrat administration, and it was NOT in the direction of Christian rights and freedoms.  

While President Trump is not a perfect man (none are), he DOES stand for the constitution, Christian freedoms, he has avowed to be a friend to Israel, and it could very well be that the Lord has given us a reprieve to give the gospel to the lost in these last days. Had the left won, there is little doubt in my mind that we would have seen even MORE loss of freedoms, and MORE trampling of the constitution than we already have. 

Censorship from the left is on the rise... I can attest to being banned for 24 hours on facebook for sharing a Bible verse (Isaiah 5:20, ironically). Other sisters in Christ have ALSO been given bans for sharing either sermon videos or scripture as well. The media (including social media) in the US are predominantly owned by the left. They want to shut free speech down and control the narrative in the hopes that they will again win the presidency in 2020. The President is correct in calling the media out for their bias and complete censorship of all things conservative as well as Christian. For that reason I pray in thankfulness to the Lord that He has given us this reprieve, however short it may end up being, to share the gospel freely in public. 

I also pray for our president every day, as scripture tells us to:
1 Tim. 2:1-4
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


Maranatha!
 

I'm concerned about what's going on. I don't think that people really understand that Islam has existed for like 1400 years ( I think) and we in America have only existed for about 240 years . Islam has hated us even before we were a thought.

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    • Razor

      “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to reform (or pause and reflect).”
      ― Mark Twain
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    • Razor

      Psalms 139 Psalm 139:9-10
      9. If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10. even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy righthand shall hold me. 
       
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    • Bro. West  »  Pastor Scott Markle

      Advanced revelation, then...prophecy IS advanced revelation in the context of the apostles.
      I really do not know where you are going with this. The Bible itself has revelations and prophecies and not all revelations are prophecies.
      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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