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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Also, let's remember that a nation's "greatness" (or lack thereof) may not necessarily mean that a particular nation is enjoying the blessings of God.

Rome was one of the most (if not the most) hedonistic, horrific, deviant, and idolatrous nations to ever have existed...yet, they were a "great" nation. They ruled the world for 500+ years, but I just don't believe they did so through the blessings of God. However, God used Rome to fulfill his purpose. Rome was a major player in the events surrounding Christ and the apostles...so he "allowed" them to be a "great" nation.

Can America be great again? Most certainly it can. What's one way for that to happen? For its rulers to follow biblical principles despite the sin that may be prevalent. We are into the beginning days of Trump's presidency, but I have hope that despite Trump's personal lack of biblical principles knowledge, he appears to be making some wise decisions that can be traced to biblical principles...which is a far cry from Obama's open and public ridicule and mockery of God's word; in which, he showed his own lack of understanding of God's word.

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Alan, just a personal thought that maybe a new thread for all the post election-inauguration comments? Maybe 1st 100 days?

Mike, agree God is in the forgiving business 2 Chron. 7:14.

I may have another perspective on this but just requesting clarification before I present any argument. I'm not sure what you mean in this one sentence.

16 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

Also, we have to remember that we are in a day that God deals with individuals, not nations, per se.

 

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3 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Alan, just a personal thought that maybe a new thread for all the post election-inauguration comments? Maybe 1st 100 days?

Mike, agree God is in the forgiving business 2 Chron. 7:14.

I may have another perspective on this but just requesting clarification before I present any argument. I'm not sure what you mean in this one sentence.

 

"Also, we have to remember that we are in a day that God deals with individuals, not nations, per se."

The entire New testament is written and directed to churches and individuals, not to nations. The OT, we see God continually dealing tih entire nations: Israel, Nineveh, Tyre and Sidon, etc. Their national sin brought about national judgment, as we saw in the five cities of the plains, and many others.  The books were written with the nations in mind.

Today we don't see that-this is a time of grace, when God is calling individuals to salvation. WHile certainly God dealt with individuals, as well, in the OT, the books were written to nations, to cities, to peoples, while the time of faith and grace is God working with individuals unto salvation. God cried to all Israel to be saved-today He calls for me to be saved, for you to be saved, and for each person to be in obedience. It seems a lot more focused on persons, rather than peoples. Does that make sense?

I guess for some proof, outside of Israel some 2000 years ago, we haven't really seen God's wrath fall on any nations the way it fell on them in the Old Testament. Those cities were completely consumed, never again inhabited. I can't remember when God has judged a nation like that in the last many couple thousand years. or maybe I'm just missing something, because I think we can ALL think of some that sorely need it!

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1Timothy115,

I do not mind your thoughts at all. I have always enjoyed your perspective on the subjects that you have talked about.

I will say one thing though, do not be surprised if everything that President Trump does in his first 100 days is resisted every step of the way. Every wrong move, every slip of the tongue, every mistake he makes (whether intentional or intentional), will be brought forth, criticized, and repeated, and condemned, in an effort to destroy him and the agenda that he has for America.

Like the national News Media, and their extreme hatred for Trump, the folks against Trump will repeat his mistakes , supposed mistakes, as many times  as possible in order to people forget his good actions and to try and derail your thread. Like the News Media, they will berate his actions, call him a racist, call him unloving, and bring up all of the mistakes (and sins), that Trump has made in life in order to destroy his effectiveness.

If you do make such a thread, I will try and back you as much as possible.

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Have you ever sat in church and done this? I have many times. Is she full of the joy of the Lord? I can't say. But I can only imagine how overwhelming all of this must be to this precious lady. God bless the Trumps. I'm praying for them.

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4 hours ago, Alan said:

1Timothy115,

If you do make such a thread, I will try and back you as much as possible.

Alan

Nope, I don't want this thread derailed if that was your understanding. I would have supported a new thread from you with anything I found which might encourage further discussion. I don't want to start a thread.

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President Donald Trump is in the process of making America great by also making America safer.

"For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil..." Romans 13:3  for those Americans who want to have good works, and live in a safe and prosperous nation, President Trump will be a blessing.

President Trump has signed an executive order in the vetting of the refugees coming from Muslim countries to America. This order will help America become great as she once was. The Obama administration did not vet the Muslims coming into America and his decision caused great harm to our country, caused our citizens to hate one another, created terrorist acts (the killing of Americans on American soil by Muslim extremists), and caused fear in the hearts of Americans. President Trump is making tangible orders to reverse the destructive leadership of Obama and the Democratic party.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/27/trump-signs-executive-order-for-extreme-vetting-refugees.html

May God continue to lead President Trump in his executive powers as he leads America.

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On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 3:14 PM, Ukulelemike said:

"Also, we have to remember that we are in a day that God deals with individuals, not nations, per se."

The entire New testament is written and directed to churches and individuals, not to nations. The OT, we see God continually dealing tih entire nations: Israel, Nineveh, Tyre and Sidon, etc. Their national sin brought about national judgment, as we saw in the five cities of the plains, and many others.  The books were written with the nations in mind.

Today we don't see that-this is a time of grace, when God is calling individuals to salvation. WHile certainly God dealt with individuals, as well, in the OT, the books were written to nations, to cities, to peoples, while the time of faith and grace is God working with individuals unto salvation. God cried to all Israel to be saved-today He calls for me to be saved, for you to be saved, and for each person to be in obedience. It seems a lot more focused on persons, rather than peoples. Does that make sense?

I guess for some proof, outside of Israel some 2000 years ago, we haven't really seen God's wrath fall on any nations the way it fell on them in the Old Testament. Those cities were completely consumed, never again inhabited. I can't remember when God has judged a nation like that in the last many couple thousand years. or maybe I'm just missing something, because I think we can ALL think of some that sorely need it!

I agree with much of what you say. Here are some thoughts I've pulled together after some time to reflect on this. I may have stumbled on a change of thought from, "our nation is less significant in God's plan and will than we might consider" to one even more grim.

I know much of what I will say is common knowledge but, bear with me, in presenting my thought. Why would God deal with nations today? I believe God opens doors to nations today where the gospel needs to be heard according to His will. I also believe nations are preparing and aligning themselves against Israel. This alignment is not God’s will but, he foresaw this and foretold it would occur. In Matthew 24:7 Jesus spoke of nations and kingdoms which would war against one another. I also believe individuals encourage, support, and elect governments for their individual needs, preferences, and personal motivations. These reasons could be Godly or sinfully rooted.

In the United States, we have “the blessings of liberty” which provide for our freedom to speak (type) freely within our 1st amendment. However, if our government of the people decided there would be no more freedom of religion, we Christians would suffer for the will of the majority. Yes, as individuals we would be no less saved; “all who live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” I believe God allowed us to form this nation, “conceived in liberty.” Some say the framers, founders, were “non-Christian.” Some may not have been but, I believe fully that God held their hearts in His hand and moved them to create what we now call the United States. Now God sees us as a nation, a group of individuals controlling our direction to fulfill His will and His purpose. For all we know our purpose may be to show man that under the very best of man’s intentions we cannot avoid the pitfalls of fallen and sinful man to spoil. Even with ever increasing knowledge and self-confidence we corrupt our way and God’s gift. We just may be the last example of mankind’s inability to be self-directed.

I believe today, at least in the United States, God is dealing with our nation, or at least the hearts and minds of those who will hear His voice. I’m thankful, the current president has the aid of a vice-president like Mike Pence. So, yes I believe God deals with nations (groups of people forming a government).

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9 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

Here's an honest, factual criticism of Trump: the EOs he's signing are not constitutional. Yep, they seem to be great. But here's a newsflash: they are just as unconstitutional as the EOs that BO signed. Just because they contain some good things does not make them right. He is bypassing Congress in exactly the same way BO did, and he is being lauded for it by many conservatives and Christians who apparently don't care whether the POTUS actually keeps his inaugural pledge to uphold the Constitution. 

Doing wrong to do right is still wrong. Regardless of whether one is POTUS or garbage collector.

I'm not going to laud someone just because of the servant position they hold...

Actually, many of Trumps EO's are simply countermanding  and nullifying Obama's EO's. It takes an EO to undo one. If it wasn't a congressional law in the first place, you don't use congress to repeal it. An executive action and a law are two different things.

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Brethren,

Here is a link that looks into the legal aspect of Executive Orders as a reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

I did not primarily start this thread on trying to sort out the legal aspects of Executive Orders. My main thrust in this thread is to bring out the actions that President Trump is doing is to undo the damaging Executive Orders, regulations, laws, that the Obama administration executed.

It is my hope that the Congress and Senate, in the process of time, makes the Executive Orders that President Trump is issuing into legal, and permanent laws of the land, as HappyChristian is expressing. 

Either way, I firmly believe that the actions that President Trump is the first step in making our country great, and safe, again.  

Alan

 

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I understand that wikipedia is not the best source for a lot of things. I did a quick search on the internet concerning Executive Orders and came away somewhat disappointed. Maybe, you, or one of the other brethren more knowledgeable in Executive Orders, may be able to start a different thread in order to teach us further on Executive Orders.

Please take note, in my previous posts, I have tried (maybe not completely successful), to let all of us know that his actions thus far have been through Executive Orders and not by laws mandated by congress. As I stated before, President Trump is using the Executive Orders as a tool to overcome the destructive policies of the Obama administration, the feminists, the Socialists, the Communists, and the Democrats, who have tied to destroy the greatness of America. I do sincerely believe that the Executive Orders issued thus far will help America out of the fiscal mess our country is in through unfair trade agreements,  hinder Muslim extremists from entering America, and help America become great again.

Due to the nature of politics, the character flaws of Trump, and the extreme amount of lies that we hearing from the lying press and Democratic liberals, I deliberately wanted to limit the discussion on just the positive actions that President Trump is taking that will help America become great again. So, you are correct about not wanting negative posts about Trump; his flaws are many. So, forgive me for being so slanted in this thread.  I do though want to hear your thoughts on whether or not the steps he is taking is beneficial to our country. I am trying to make the distinction between Trumps character flaws and his actions. I know this is hard for all of us; but I am trying.

It is my sincere hope that the Congress fulfills its obligations as defenders of the Constitution of the United States and makes the laws necessary to make our country great again as President Trump is attempting to do. It is my hope that after a period of time that President Trump, or some other legislator, introduces legislation to make the actions that is being done through Executive Orders now, and make these changes permanent.

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President Trump issued an Executive Order directing the Department of Homeland Security to enforce a travel ban to 7 predominately Muslim countries. This action by President Trump is a first step (and hopefully not the last step), in vetting those Muslims, and/or terroists, who would cause terriost acts within the borders of the Unites States.

This step by President Trump is a necessary step to protect us (the citizens of the United States), and is one of actions that will make America a great country again for the protection of its citizens. So, we can go about our daily business, family life, worship, without fear of terrorist attacks.

Part of the travel ban was halted (by the Judiciary), due to some Muslims being detained at some airports. But, according to the below linked article, the travel ban is still in forcce. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

I think the Executive Order by President Trump is prudent, contitutional, and good for America. It is not necessarily good for the world, but, President Trump, rightly so, is performing the responsibility of the office of the President of the United States and not of the world.

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1 hour ago, Alan said:

President Trump issued an Executive Order directing the Department of Homeland Security to enforce a travel ban to 7 predominately Muslim countries. This action by President Trump is a first step (and hopefully not the last step), in vetting those Muslims, and/or terroists, who would cause terriost acts within the borders of the Unites States.

This step by President Trump is a necessary step to protect us (the citizens of the United States), and is one of actions that will make America a great country again for the protection of its citizens. So, we can go about our daily business, family life, worship, without fear of terrorist attacks.

Part of the travel ban was halted (by the Judiciary), due to some Muslims being detained at some airports. But, according to the below linked article, the travel ban is still in forcce. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

I think the Executive Order by President Trump is prudent, contitutional, and good for America. It is not necessarily good for the world, but, President Trump, rightly so, is performing the responsibility of the office of the President of the United States and not of the world.

Alan

There was a report on the news an hour ago that this was for 90 days, till vetting ptocedures are in place.  The ban doues  not include Saudi or Pakistan.

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On 1/25/2017 at 6:35 PM, Ukulelemike said:

Well, how many children did those of Israel murder at the hands of Moloch? But when the nation turned to Him, he forgave them. Even more so will he do now.  Also, we have to remember that we are in a day that God deals with individuals, not nations, per se.

America isn't Israel. There is no Abrahamic or Davidic covenant between America and God so he has no obligation to us. God destroyed nations to brings Israel back to himself. Also, I recall a place in the OT where it says God was taking away the righteous to spare them from the wrath to come.

1 hour ago, Invicta said:

There was a report on the news an hour ago that this was for 90 days, till vetting ptocedures are in place.  The ban doues  not include Saudi or Pakistan.

The majority of "refugees" (military aged males) is coming from from the nations Trump listed. That is why no Saudi Arabia or Pakistan is mentioned. 

2 hours ago, Alan said:

President Trump issued an Executive Order directing the Department of Homeland Security to enforce a travel ban to 7 predominately Muslim countries. This action by President Trump is a first step (and hopefully not the last step), in vetting those Muslims, and/or terroists, who would cause terriost acts within the borders of the Unites States.

This step by President Trump is a necessary step to protect us (the citizens of the United States), and is one of actions that will make America a great country again for the protection of its citizens. So, we can go about our daily business, family life, worship, without fear of terrorist attacks.

Part of the travel ban was halted (by the Judiciary), due to some Muslims being detained at some airports. But, according to the below linked article, the travel ban is still in forcce. 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/29/dhs-will-continue-to-enforce-trumps-travel-ban.html

I think the Executive Order by President Trump is prudent, contitutional, and good for America. It is not necessarily good for the world, but, President Trump, rightly so, is performing the responsibility of the office of the President of the United States and not of the world.

Alan

Yup, protect our borders, language and culture. People forget about the Immigration Act of 1924 that banned almost all immigration for 50 years so those here could be assimilated. There is nothing new to what he is doing.

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On 1/28/2017 at 1:44 AM, Alan said:

 

I understand that wikipedia is not the best source for a lot of things. I did a quick search on the internet concerning Executive Orders and came away somewhat disappointed. Maybe, you, or one of the other brethren more knowledgeable in Executive Orders, may be able to start a different thread in order to teach us further on Executive Orders.

Please take note, in my previous posts, I have tried (maybe not completely successful), to let all of us know that his actions thus far have been through Executive Orders and not by laws mandated by congress. As I stated before, President Trump is using the Executive Orders as a tool to overcome the destructive policies of the Obama administration, the feminists, the Socialists, the Communists, and the Democrats, who have tied to destroy the greatness of America. I do sincerely believe that the Executive Orders issued thus far will help America out of the fiscal mess our country is in through unfair trade agreements,  hinder Muslim extremists from entering America, and help America become great again.

Due to the nature of politics, the character flaws of Trump, and the extreme amount of lies that we hearing from the lying press and Democratic liberals, I deliberately wanted to limit the discussion on just the positive actions that President Trump is taking that will help America become great again. So, you are correct about not wanting negative posts about Trump; his flaws are many. So, forgive me for being so slanted in this thread.  I do though want to hear your thoughts on whether or not the steps he is taking is beneficial to our country. I am trying to make the distinction between Trumps character flaws and his actions. I know this is hard for all of us; but I am trying.

It is my sincere hope that the Congress fulfills its obligations as defenders of the Constitution of the United States and makes the laws necessary to make our country great again as President Trump is attempting to do. It is my hope that after a period of time that President Trump, or some other legislator, introduces legislation to make the actions that is being done through Executive Orders now, and make these changes permanent.

Alan

Executive Orders, as far as I see it, are for the purpose of pushing the issue to the Supreme Court. Especially since Congress is totally useless expect when it comes to voting themselves raises.

On 1/25/2017 at 4:05 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Also, let's remember that a nation's "greatness" (or lack thereof) may not necessarily mean that a particular nation is enjoying the blessings of God.

Rome was one of the most (if not the most) hedonistic, horrific, deviant, and idolatrous nations to ever have existed...yet, they were a "great" nation. They ruled the world for 500+ years, but I just don't believe they did so through the blessings of God. However, God used Rome to fulfill his purpose. Rome was a major player in the events surrounding Christ and the apostles...so he "allowed" them to be a "great" nation.

Can America be great again? Most certainly it can. What's one way for that to happen? For its rulers to follow biblical principles despite the sin that may be prevalent. We are into the beginning days of Trump's presidency, but I have hope that despite Trump's personal lack of biblical principles knowledge, he appears to be making some wise decisions that can be traced to biblical principles...which is a far cry from Obama's open and public ridicule and mockery of God's word; in which, he showed his own lack of understanding of God's word.

As bad as Rome was they never recognized gay marriage or murdered 50 millions babies within a 40 year period. I think once we turn on Israel that will be the final straw.

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12 hours ago, fastjav390 said:

America isn't Israel. There is no Abrahamic or Davidic covenant between America and God so he has no obligation to us. God destroyed nations to brings Israel back to himself. Also, I recall a place in the OT where it says God was taking away the righteous to spare them from the wrath to come.

Okay then, consider the great wickedness of Nineveh and the Assyrians-they were some of the absolute cruelest peoples of that area-they wouldn't just conquor a nation, they would take the men women and children and flay them alive and impale them, alive, on posts all over. They would cover posts with their skins. Then God sent Jonah to let them know they were going to all die for their wickedness. Mind you, NO option was given for them to repent and be forgiven, yet repent they did and they WERE forgiven.  And Nineveh, if you're not sure, is NOT Israel and has no covenant standing with the Lord.

God repsonds to repentance, regardless of where that repentance comes from. If America repents, or there are those who maintain a spirit of repentance, Like Sodom and Gomorrah, will God spare the wicked for the sake of the righteous? I see no reason why not.

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Okay then, consider the great wickedness of Nineveh and the Assyrians-they were some of the absolute cruelest peoples of that area-they wouldn't just conquor a nation, they would take the men women and children and flay them alive and impale them, alive, on posts all over. They would cover posts with their skins. Then God sent Jonah to let them know they were going to all die for their wickedness. Mind you, NO option was given for them to repent and be forgiven, yet repent they did and they WERE forgiven.  And Nineveh, if you're not sure, is NOT Israel and has no covenant standing with the Lord.

God repsonds to repentance, regardless of where that repentance comes from. If America repents, or there are those who maintain a spirit of repentance, Like Sodom and Gomorrah, will God spare the wicked for the sake of the righteous? I see no reason why not.

Yes, but Nineveh and the Assyrians are long gone. They lasted about 100 more years after Jonah got them to repent. They still ended up having to account for their behavior as a nation. 

I honestly don't see this happening in America. Some great fifth awakening. Too many doors have been opened, too many flood gates release, too many roads traveled down. One reason is because the nation is not united anymore because of multiculturalism. Just now I read where some Baptist organization is backing the building of a Mosque in New Jersey. 

I don't think the next great revival or national repentance will happen until the Great Tribulation.

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Jim Alaska,

Wonderful!

Thank you very much for the song, "Search Me O God." The song was a welcome addition to this discussion on how to Make America Great Again. America needs revival in the hearts of the saints, and the restoration of the biblical doctrines in the churches. Once revival has set in the churches hopefully the people in power in our goverment will follow righteous law and regulations. Please feel free to post any other song that you feel appropriate in any of my threads.

Brethren,

Please feel free to post any song, traditional only please, that you feel will be a blessing to the message of the thread.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/30/trump-signs-executive-order-to-drastically-cut-federal-regs.html

 

President Trump just signed an extememely important Exectutive Order concerning that no new Federal Regulations are to be initiated unless there are two Federal Regulations to be eliminated. All of the new Federal Regulations are to be checked by the  OMB (Office of management & Budget), in order to determine the cost involved.

Brethern,

This Executive Order will help eliminate the destructive Federal Regulations that the Obama Administration, and the liberal Democratic Party, have forced upon America. Through these destructive regulations, the liberals, the Socialists,the communists, the feminists, the racists, the wackos, have tried to destroy American businesses', have caused fiscal irresponsibility, and they have used these destructive regulations to try and to control the personal property rights of the American farmer and other citizens.

President Trump is trying to bring back Federal governmental fiscal responsibility to America. He is also trying to eliminate federal regulations that have hurt the American farming community and personal property rights.

May God help President Trump succeed in his effort to bring back fiscal respnsibility to America and to restore our personal property rights as the Constitution guarantees.

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