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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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No one is concerned that Trump was sworn in with two Bibles - a Revised Standard Version, on top of Lincolns Bible (https://www.wdl.org/en/item/11358/view/1/9/) which was an 1853 KJB?

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On ‎2016‎年‎8‎月‎10‎日 at 9:23 PM, Alan said:

We are voting for the President of the United States, a public office, and not a church office. The qualifications for a man in the ministry is not the qualifications of a man seeking public office. Nor should Christians be limited to only to vote for dedicated Christians. When a man takes up arms and fights for his country he is fighting for the Constitution and for the government to follow the Constitution; not the qualifications for a church office. God gave the government to responsibility to defend (physically), the citizens. It is the responsibility of the man of God, the church, to stand up and defend the spiritual (doctrines), of the scriptures. I am not voting for a pastor

Genevanpreacher,

If I was looking to join the church that President Donald Trump was pastoring than I would find him using a non-KJV bible a great concern. But, as my commander-in-chief I am not going to make it an issue.

When I fought for my country in the Vietnam War, and everyone else who has been in a combat situation fought for our country, I was more concerned that my officers over me knew their business in making war and not if they were qualified to be the pastor of the church I attended.

Brethren,

I started this thread with the sole intention of discovering how Donald Trump would make our country great again economically, politically, morally, and whether or not he would abide by the Constitution of the United States in leading our country in times of peace and war.

Nor did I start this thread to use as a sounding board to downgrade, browbeat, and for others to try and nick pick the faults of Donald Trump as President. For those brethren who want to continue to find fault with everything President Trump does, belittle him, cause disrespect to him and his policies, than please start you own thread. 

Furthermore, in his first few days in office so far, I think President Donald Trump has done great and that his policies are going to benefit the citizens of the United States of America. I firmly believe that the liberals, communists, wackos, Hillary and her crowd of extremeist feminists, and the liberal press are lying about President Trump and are trying to destroy his effectiveness as the President of the Unites States of America.

Please take careful note. If you heard his inaguration speech it was clearly stated that he is the President of the United States of America and he will perform his duties as President for the benefit of America and not of the world. And, he will take away the destructive policies of Obama and the liberal policies he put in place.

Brethren, unless you can say something positive about President Trump, or give honest, I repeat, honest, constructive criticism, please leave this thread and express your negative and destructive criticisms of President Trump somewhere else.

Alan

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Bro. Alan is making a reasonable request since this thread was started by him. If someone would like to take up his suggestion to start a separate thread I would ask that you please do it in the "Lounge".

I found this article on the Electoral College this morning and thought it might add some positive information regarding the election process that so many liberals have criticized.

Here are the facts:

Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC. 62% to her 38%.


Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

Hillary won California 5,860,714 to Trump’s 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1% exclusive of the other candidates. Thus California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and their media stooges.

But deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783, and deduct Trump’s California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%.

So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College, to prevent the vote of any one populace state from overriding the vote of the others. Trump’s Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway, whose expertise is polling, saw this early on and devised her strategy of “pathways to the White House.”

This meant ignoring California with its huge Democrat majority and going after the states that would give him the necessary electoral votes to win, FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI.

At its lowest point since the civil war! Could this mean the end of the Democrat Party? When the afternoon of January 20, 2017 arrives, the Republican Party will have:

1) The Presidency.
2) A majority of the House of Representatives.
3) A majority of the Senate.
4) Almost two-thirds of all the governorships.
5) Total control of the statehouses in almost two-thirds of all the states.

And in the near future, Republicans will be able to add:
6) A majority of the Supreme Court. The above has never happened before in American history.

Think about that and let it sink in for a moment. And it's all because of one reason: Barack Obama's forcing his extreme far-left agenda on an unwilling country by executive orders, left wing judges, and obsequious bureaucrats. It's important to pass this on. With the demand that we do away with the Electoral College and take the popular vote being pushed by the media, etc, all Americans need to know that the Electoral College is working exactly as our Founding Fathers intended.

 

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I liked his speach.

I thought it a little too 'promising', but as a speach, (that sounded like he himself wrote), I thought it was refreshing.

The only reason I brought up the Bible issue is I figured some here might think that was important.

I agree with Alan.

But I really thought that would be a hang-up for such a KJB minded set of people as most on this site.

Guess it's not as important 'which Bible' is used when it comes to leaders of our nation?

I am surprised.

But let me state - I voted for a business leader - Trump, and a Christian leader - Pence. 

They are the team the Lord has for us - whether for our good or not.

And I do trust the Lord.

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5 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

I liked his speach.

I thought it a little too 'promising', but as a speach, (that sounded like he himself wrote), I thought it was refreshing.

The only reason I brought up the Bible issue is I figured some here might think that was important.

I agree with Alan.

But I really thought that would be a hang-up for such a KJB minded set of people as most on this site.

Guess it's not as important 'which Bible' is used when it comes to leaders of our nation?

I am surprised.

My view is...

We are dealing with a secular office. In my opinion, gone are the days when placing one's hand on the Bible meant something to the majority of Americans. It might mean something "in the moment", but the moment is soon forgotten. I was unaware of the two-B(b)ibles issue to be honest. However, I see no difference in that and the Muslim who was sworn into some office a year (or two or three years) ago with their hand on a Koran (sorry...don't remember the details).

I just want him to do his job, do it to the best of his ability, and do it in accordance with the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and the original vision of America. If he does that, he will far surpass the last eight years of the Socialist/Communist/Marxist takeover that has enveloped this nation...of which, this nation willingly and gladly accepted it. They didn't just accept it...they wanted it. No wonder the liberals are in a tizzy.

As Obama apologized to the Muslims, let me apologize for that last statement...if that offended anyone, then...

GET A BACKBONE AND BUCK IT UP!

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A Suggestion,

I would like to sugggest to our newer brethren here on OnLine Baptist to search my personal records of my previous Bible studies and threads concerning the KJV issue. They will discover that I believe that the Authorized Version, the King James Version of 1611, is the preserved word of God and that all of the newer versions, from 1881 to this date, are corrupt versions of the scriptures.

Genevanpreacher is well aware of this fact as we have crossed swords on this issue several times. I am apalled that he would even sugggest that I do not consider this an issue.  

My previous posts remain as I wrote it as I think I clearly expressed myself properly.

Alan

 

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We will pick and choose and hire a plumber, bring him into our home, let him lie on his back under our sink, then pay him whatever he charges to get him to do a job for us that we need done. The same with an auto mechanic, a doctor or a dentist, an accountant or our banker. We do not pick them based on their religious affiliation or beliefs, and we certainly never accuse a brother for being "unequally yoked with unbelievers" for picking and paying a man to do a job for us. Yet you actually accuse someone of collusion with the world and the devil for being in on the picking and hiring of the chief executive of our nation because that executive is not a Christian?

Honestly, I can't for the life of me figure out where some of you guys get your thought process. 

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To be open about President Trump, I had great concern over how eagerly many religious leaders with good reputations got behind Trump quite early when other more viable candidates were still in the race. However, particularly how most of them did not use religion but patriotism to decide in getting behind his campaign. I considered that route after the primaries and even more so after Trump started gathering better men than himself around him but decided against it and voted third party. 

Now that Mr. Trump is my president I will support him in the office. I still have concerns about the man personally and morally but the men he gathered around himself is what gives me confidence that he will serve the country well, as long as he listens to them and so far he has. I think Pence is Trump's David, if you will, and as long as Saul does not go crazy, we'll be fine.

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6 hours ago, weary warrior said:

Honestly, I can't for the life of me figure out where some of you guys get your thought process. 

Welcome to my world on OB.

It is a grand adventure. 

By the way, no one is being accused of "collusion with the world and the devil" because of anything. 

Just picking the brains of some here that condemn me for using my Bible instead of theirs, when I am not their pastor, preacher, nor minister of any sort, and do not affect their life in anyother form other than here on OB.

Yet when it comes to their beloved country's leader?

Yeah. It does get a bit fuzzy. 

And I must state - it really doesn't bother me about Trump either. 

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Brethren,

In times past, Senator Mike Lee, (R-Utah), was not for Trump as President.

Since the election, Senator Lee has has observed that President Trump is serious about a conservative agenda to help the United States economy, get rid of the unnecessary regulations that  the Obama administration put into place, defend our borders, appoint conservative judges to the supreme Court, and will practice a limited form of government as our Constitution sets forth.

I would suggest all of the brethren to listen to the video and formulate their own opinion. 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5294291902001/?#sp=show-clips

Certainly the agenda to make our country great again is not a minor matter nor does President Trump think he can succeed without help from the House and Senate branches of our government. Senator Lee stresses that we all need to get behind President Trump to get the job accomplished.

Cannot we pray that God again blesses our land? Cannot we publicly get behind President Trump and give him the moral support from the Independent, fundamental, Baptist community? Wouldn't it be a great testimony for the IFB Movement to be a leader in supporting the conservative agenda that Presisdent Trump is trying to accomplish?

I for one will pray that President Trump is sucessful in his leadership of the United States of America and be publicly behind his endeavor to make America great again.

Alan

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Brethren,

In times past, Senator Mike Lee, (R-Utah), was not for Trump as President.

Since the election, Senator Lee has has observed that President Trump is serious about a conservative agenda to help the United States economy, get rid of the unnecessary regulations that  the Obama administration put into place, defend our borders, appoint conservative judges to the supreme Court, and will practice a limited form of government as our Constitution sets forth.

I would suggest all of the brethren to listen to the video and formulate their own opinion. 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5294291902001/?#sp=show-clips

Certainly the agenda to make our country great again is not a minor matter nor does President Trump think he can succeed without help from the House and Senate branches of our government. Senator Lee stresses that we all need to get behind President Trump to get the job accomplished.

Cannot we pray that God again blesses our land? Cannot we publicly get behind President Trump and give him the moral support from the Independent, fundamental, Baptist community? Wouldn't it be a great testimony for the IFB Movement to be a leader in supporting the conservative agenda that Presisdent Trump is trying to accomplish?

I for one will pray that President Trump is sucessful in his leadership of the United States of America and be publicly behind his endeavor to make America great again.

Alan

I have a question. Will God bless a land that has legalized gay marriage and has aborted millions of babies? You look around and it seems he has but is it an illusion? Seems like it's all a house of cards if you examine it closely (i.e. once the credit runs out we're finished).

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3 hours ago, fastjav390 said:

I have a question. Will God bless a land that has legalized gay marriage and has aborted millions of babies? You look around and it seems he has but is it an illusion? Seems like it's all a house of cards if you examine it closely (i.e. once the credit runs out we're finished).

Well, certainly he can, but we need to be repenting and going the other way. Trump has actually made a good first move that way-remember, it took time for Hezekiah to clean out the idols from Israel, and never actually did it all the way, yet God blessed Israel under him for what he DID do. And, despite not really knowing his heart and the condition of his soul, he DID seek, at least in word, to honor God in his inauguration. Let us hope his actions continue in that way.

 

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8 hours ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Welcome to my world on OB.

It is a grand adventure. 

By the way, no one is being accused of "collusion with the world and the devil" because of anything. 

Just picking the brains of some here that condemn me for using my Bible instead of theirs, when I am not their pastor, preacher, nor minister of any sort, and do not affect their life in anyother form other than here on OB.

Yet when it comes to their beloved country's leader?

Yeah. It does get a bit fuzzy. 

And I must state - it really doesn't bother me about Trump either. 

There were some posts on the first page of this forum that did basically accuse believers of collusion and yoking up with unbelievers for voting for non-christians.

Trump's foibles are there for all to see, that's for sure. He doesn't hide them. And no, I don't put much stock in his "Christianity". That's not my job. He will have one Judge who will judge his heart at the end, and it's surely not going to be me. Paul tells us to pray that the government will leave us alone to worship in peace. I think Trump will at least do that. Also, as has been mentioned above, the much more important signal for us regarding the days ahead are who he is putting into positions of importance. Making Mike Huckabee the ambassador to Israel was HUGE. Much, much more significant than what Bible he used to swear in on at his inauguration, or who he had pray. It's his policies and actions that will show his intentions.

If you study some of the truly legendary greats in history that God used to pull nations out of dark times, like King James I, Winston Churchill, Andrew Jackson, Sam Houston etc. you'll find many of them were rascals in their private life, but it was their thorny character that God used to exercise his will. A gentle Christian shopkeeper has his place, but God often uses fire to fight fire. Read about the some of the flawed crazy men he chose to save Israel from bondage time after time in Judges, or look at men like Jehu, for example.

Study out the man who's name is on your Bible (excluding GB, of course ). This was not a man you would vote as pastor of your church, but God used the secular, unsaved ruler of an empire to give you one of the most precious gifts he has ever blessed man with.

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11 hours ago, fastjav390 said:

I have a question. Will God bless a land that has legalized gay marriage and has aborted millions of babies? You look around and it seems he has but is it an illusion? Seems like it's all a house of cards if you examine it closely (i.e. once the credit runs out we're finished).

I believe our nation is less significant in God's plan and will than we might consider. I just read Ezekiel 8 the other day. The idolatry in Jerusalem, in the Temple, by the Elders was disgusting. Idolatry was rampant, it took on every form of misplaced worship and adoration, conceivable by sin depraved man and woman. To really understand what was described in this chapter I referred to Barnes notes and understand why in Ezekiel 8:18 God said, "Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them." Yet God spared a remnant. If not for Jesus Christ and grace through faith I think this nation would be as desolate as Jerusalem after Babylon took them into captivity.

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John Young and 115Timothy,

Thank you for your appreciating my call to prayer.

Ukelelemike,

Thank you for your good post and reminding us the long-time effort that it took King Hezekiah in cleaning up the land of Israel of the idolatous worship. King hezekiah is a good example for all of us in trying to clean up the spiritual, moral, doctrinal, and fiscal mess that our country is currently in. I appreciate your posting very much.

Wearywarrior,

I appreciated your posting and insight very much. It was an encouragement to my heart.

Brethren,

In the link below are some of the items that President Trump has initiated in an effort to cleanse our land of the fiscal, regulatory, and business mess that the previous administration (and the liberal and comunist element), caused our country to be in. I would encourage all of you to consider reading the article.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/24/list-trumps-executive-orders.html

Again, I am encouraged of the steps that President Trump has accomplished thus far. It is my hope, and prayer, that the agenda for our country that President Trump has outined thus far will be able to come to fruition in the days ahead.

Alan

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"I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

  For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

  For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

  Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." - 1 Timothy 2:1-4

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9 hours ago, Alan said:

In the link below are some of the items that President Trump has initiated in an effort to cleanse our land of the fiscal, regulatory, and business mess that the previous administration (and the liberal and comunist element), caused our country to be in. I would encourage all of you to consider reading the article.

Alan,
The full effect of the ban on funding for abortions can be read here. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/24/trump-expands-anti-abortion-ban-to-all-us-global-h/

If you read this article, I'm sure everyone here is aware of the code words for aborting babies "family planning".

I believe the majority here will pray for Pres. Trump and the new administration to be successful. You may consider adding in the words from Job 5:12 for our God to dissappoint "the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise."

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1 Timothy 115,

Thank you for informing us of the full impact of President's Trumps righteous actions. I appreciate you bringing the full impact of the article to our attention.

Brethern,

President Tump is doing the best job he can in protecting the unborn and reversing the evil laws concerning abortion.

President Trump is not only trying extemely hard in defeating the evil laws and regulations of the previous administration, he is also trying hard to bring back morality, and righteous, laws to the United States of America.

One of, there are many, reasons why the liberals, the feminist, the wackos, the communists, the abortion providers, are trying to destroy Presiddent Trump is due to his bold actions to rid our country of evil laws and regulations. The actions, the lies, the rioting, the foul mouthed words that the liberals, democrats, lying news media, is indicative of the evil intent in their hearts to destroy America and the righteous agenda of President Trump. 

For those brethren who want to see President Trump succeed in his effort in his plans to make America great again, this is the time to pray for him and back him publicly.

May God bless, protect, help, and lead President Trump.

Alan

 

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On 1/24/2017 at 0:49 PM, Ukulelemike said:

Well, certainly he can, but we need to be repenting and going the other way. Trump has actually made a good first move that way-remember, it took time for Hezekiah to clean out the idols from Israel, and never actually did it all the way, yet God blessed Israel under him for what he DID do. And, despite not really knowing his heart and the condition of his soul, he DID seek, at least in word, to honor God in his inauguration. Let us hope his actions continue in that way.

 

If abortion is murder than will God avenge the blood of those innocents murdered? Seems like to me he just won't forget it and let it slide. If this is the case than nothing will turn America around. The nation has been delivered up to it's own lusts. I'm hoping this is not the case and Trump will at the least allow believers worship and serve God in peace and not attempt to force us to partake of their evil. This is what Obama was beginning to do.

17 hours ago, 1Timothy115 said:

I believe our nation is less significant in God's plan and will than we might consider. I just read Ezekiel 8 the other day. The idolatry in Jerusalem, in the Temple, by the Elders was disgusting. Idolatry was rampant, it took on every form of misplaced worship and adoration, conceivable by sin depraved man and woman. To really understand what was described in this chapter I referred to Barnes notes and understand why in Ezekiel 8:18 God said, "Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them." Yet God spared a remnant. If not for Jesus Christ and grace through faith I think this nation would be as desolate as Jerusalem after Babylon took them into captivity.

I heard a preacher was state that he believe the only reason America hasn't been destroyed for it's wickedness as of yet is because of our support of Israel. America has been a haven for the Jew. Even in early colonial America Jews were accepted almost as soon as the founding of the colonies. In fact, not long after the first Baptist church in America was founded the first Jewish synagogue was erected not far from that Baptist church.

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3 hours ago, fastjav390 said:

If abortion is murder than will God avenge the blood of those innocents murdered? Seems like to me he just won't forget it and let it slide. If this is the case than nothing will turn America around. The nation has been delivered up to it's own lusts. I'm hoping this is not the case and Trump will at the least allow believers worship and serve God in peace and not attempt to force us to partake of their evil. This is what Obama was beginning to do.

Well, how many children did those of Israel murder at the hands of Moloch? But when the nation turned to Him, he forgave them. Even more so will he do now.  Also, we have to remember that we are in a day that God deals with individuals, not nations, per se. Of course, having wicked rulers doesn't help, because they tend to pass wicked laws and cause sin to be considered alright. Having a leader who turns the other way, turns the laws to righteousness and outlaws sin, now we go back to specifically dealing with individuals still insisting on sinning.

Trump can't change the minds of the people, but he can still do the right thing where he has power to do so.

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