Jump to content
Online Baptist Community
  • Newest Sermon Entry

    • By Jim_Alaska in Jim_Alaska's Sermons & Devotionals
         14
      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Mid Tribulation fleeing of Israel


Recommended Posts

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

From those scriptures we understand that the anti-Christ will go over to the Lord`s glorious mountain - Mount Zion in Jerusalem and tread down the holy city for 42 months. It does not say anything about Armageddon there.

Marilyn.

Marilyn,

  The main point is that He (666) will be there to fight for Israel and the oil in the area when the Ezekiel 38:1-12 alliance comes to fight in the first half of the tribulation.

Edited by Eric Stahl
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
11 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

  The main point is that He (666) will be there to fight for Israel and the oil in the area when the Ezekiel 38:1-12 alliance comes to fight in the first half of the tribulation.

Hi Eric,

I don`t see that in scripture. Maybe time to start another thread on some of these details ay - The Russian War. (Ezekiel) etc

regards, Marilyn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

I don`t see that in scripture. Maybe time to start another thread on some of these details ay - The Russian War. (Ezekiel) etc

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes from Bozrah he is judging people and he is alone. The people of Israel are with the survivors of Moab at the River ford on the Arnon river one third of the way south on Jordan's side of the dead Sea.

 

Isaiah
Chapter 63

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?

3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
1 hour ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes from Bozrah he is judging people and he is alone. The people of Israel are with the survivors of Moab at the River ford on the Arnon river one third of the way south on Jordan's side of the dead Sea.

 

Isaiah
Chapter 63

1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?

3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

Hi Eric,

Scripture says that  the Lord has trodden the winepress alone, as it is He who alone can judge, however .....God`s word tells us that His angelic army comes with Him to deliver Israel and bring judgment upon the nations.

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and ALL THE HOLY ANGELS with Him. `(Matt. 25: 31)

`...the Son of Man....comes in His own glory, and in His Father`s glory and in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)

Marilyn. 

Edited by Marilyn C
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
21 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Scripture says that  the Lord has trodden the winepress alone, as it is He who alone can judge, however .....God`s word tells us that His angelic army comes with Him to deliver Israel and bring judgment upon the nations.

`When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and ALL THE HOLY ANGELS with Him. `(Matt. 25: 31)

`...the Son of Man....comes in His own glory, and in His Father`s glory and in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)

Marilyn. 

Marilyn,

We saints will be the army to kill the army of antichrist.

 

Psalm 149:5-9

5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
22 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

We saints will be the army to kill the army of antichrist.

 

Psalm 149:5-9

5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Hi Eric,

God is talking to an earthly nation there - Israel, whereas the Body of Christ is a spiritual body of people from all over the world. We are told -

`For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.` (1 Cor. 10: 3 - 6)

The Body of Christ does NOT war against people, does not use physical force, we are told to pull down arguments, lies, errors, etc NOT people.

Israel on the other hand was/is an earthly nation with an earthly inheritance and thus they have to go to war.

BTW The army in Rev. 19 that comes with the Lord is His angelic army, that is holy, (symbolically clothed in fine linen as the angels in Rev. 15: 6 are described also - Holy) The Lord never said we, His Body would come with Him. He always said that the holy angels, the heavenly host, of which He is captain of, would come with Him.

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and ALL THE HOLY ANGELS with Him. `(Matt. 25: 31)

`...the Son of Man....comes in His own glory, and in His Father`s glory and in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)

regards, Marilyn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
14 hours ago, Invicta said:

I thought he would be destroyed by the brightness of Christs coming.

Revelation 1:16-17

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

 

(The word of the Lord is the sword of the spirit. He shines as a noon day sun. When Jesus leads us to Armageddon he will command his army of saints to kill the heathen for it is our honor.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
16 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

God is talking to an earthly nation there - Israel, whereas the Body of Christ is a spiritual body of people from all over the world. We are told -

`For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.` (1 Cor. 10: 3 - 6)

The Body of Christ does NOT war against people, does not use physical force, we are told to pull down arguments, lies, errors, etc NOT people.

Israel on the other hand was/is an earthly nation with an earthly inheritance and thus they have to go to war.

BTW The army in Rev. 19 that comes with the Lord is His angelic army, that is holy, (symbolically clothed in fine linen as the angels in Rev. 15: 6 are described also - Holy) The Lord never said we, His Body would come with Him. He always said that the holy angels, the heavenly host, of which He is captain of, would come with Him.

When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and ALL THE HOLY ANGELS with Him. `(Matt. 25: 31)

`...the Son of Man....comes in His own glory, and in His Father`s glory and in the glory of the HOLY ANGELS.` (Luke 9: 26)

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

Notice that these saints are in heaven. They have bodies. They will be given twoedged swords to kill the heathen. This happens when Jesus leads us to earth. See Revelation 19:11-19.

 

Psalm 149:5-9

5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Revelation 19:11-19

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse,                  and against his army.

Edited by Eric Stahl
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Hi Eric,

Now it seems to me that those people - `Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.`  are saints, people of Israel, for the Body of Christ was not known or even begun.

As to the `armies,` well it never says they are the body of Christ. All through God`s word we see that the armies of heaven, are the angelic host.

regards, Marilyn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Now it seems to me that those people - `Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.`  are saints, people of Israel, for the Body of Christ was not known or even begun.

As to the `armies,` well it never says they are the body of Christ. All through God`s word we see that the armies of heaven, are the angelic host.

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

All Christians are grafted into Israel. The saints are in the army.

Psalm 149:5-9

5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Hi Eric,

We do get to some interesting points. So you believe we, the Body of Christ are grafted into Israel. Can you please show from scripture how you have come to this view, please?

regards, Marilyn.

BTW I do know the scriptures you are referring to but would like to see how you present them.

Edited by Marilyn C
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

We do get to some interesting points. So you believe we, the Body of Christ are grafted into Israel. Can you please show from scripture how you have come to this view, please?

regards, Marilyn.

BTW I do know the scriptures you are referring to but would like to see how you present them.

Marilyn,

Galatians 3:6-7

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

 

(Israel is the olive tree)

Romans 11:17-20

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

(The Jews that don't accept Jesus are broken off the tree of Israel and those Gentiles that accept Jesus are grafted into Israel the olive tree.)

Edited by Eric Stahl
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your reply.

Galatians (3) - as we both know is presenting the truth that we are not perfected by the works of the law but by faith in Christ, (who fulfilled the law). We are the `children of Abraham,` meaning `of faith` such as he had. It does NOT mean we are now physical Israel.

`So then they which are OF FAITH are blessed with believing Abraham.` (Gal. 3: 9)

There is still such a nation as Israel, with people who are physical descendants of Abraham. That is NOT us.

 

 Romans (11) - Who does God say is the Olive tree?

The root is holy. (v.16)

The root has fatness. (v. 17)

The root supports you. (v.18)

 

No other than the Lord Jesus Christ can fulfill all those requirements.

 

Only the Lord is Holy.

Only the Lord can replete (fatness) fill us up.

Only the Lord supports us.

 

Thus we are IN CHRIST, NOT in Israel.

 

Regards, Marilyn.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
On 2/18/2018 at 4:47 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your reply.

Galatians (3) - as we both know is presenting the truth that we are not perfected by the works of the law but by faith in Christ, (who fulfilled the law). We are the `children of Abraham,` meaning `of faith` such as he had. It does NOT mean we are now physical Israel.

`So then they which are OF FAITH are blessed with believing Abraham.` (Gal. 3: 9)

There is still such a nation as Israel, with people who are physical descendants of Abraham. That is NOT us.

 

 Romans (11) - Who does God say is the Olive tree?

The root is holy. (v.16)

The root has fatness. (v. 17)

The root supports you. (v.18)

 

No other than the Lord Jesus Christ can fulfill all those requirements.

 

Only the Lord is Holy.

Only the Lord can replete (fatness) fill us up.

Only the Lord supports us.

 

Thus we are IN CHRIST, NOT in Israel.

 

Regards, Marilyn.

 

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes to rescue Israel it will be the saints from heaven with him.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come,                   and all the saints with thee.

 

 

(Jesus will take the anointed saints with their two-edged swords to Armageddon to cut the heads of antichrists soldiers to the foundation of their necks.)

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

Edited by Eric Stahl
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
3 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes to rescue Israel it will be the saints from heaven with him.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come,                   and all the saints with thee.

 

 

(Jesus will take the anointed saints with their two-edged swords to Armageddon to cut the heads of antichrists soldiers to the foundation of their necks.)

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

Hi Eric,

I`m glad you posted those scriptures bro, for they are the ones that has caused this great error. So let`s have a look at them.

Zech. 14: 5 `...and the Lord my God shall come and all the `quodos,` ones with thee.`

The Hebrew word `quodos` means - holy ones and that can be angels or saints. Thus we need more scriptures to verify which.

 

Habakkuk 3 is referring to the Lord - thine anointed. It is He who will deal with those that come against Jerusalem.

`Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.` (Zech. 14: 12)

Nothing to do with us cutting off people`s heads.

 

regards, Marilyn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

I`m glad you posted those scriptures bro, for they are the ones that has caused this great error. So let`s have a look at them.

Zech. 14: 5 `...and the Lord my God shall come and all the `quodos,` ones with thee.`

The Hebrew word `quodos` means - holy ones and that can be angels or saints. Thus we need more scriptures to verify which.

 

Habakkuk 3 is referring to the Lord - thine anointed. It is He who will deal with those that come against Jerusalem.

`Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.` (Zech. 14: 12)

Nothing to do with us cutting off people`s heads.

 

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

Zechariah 14:12-13 happens when God causes America and Russia to fight a nuclear war.

Isaiah 25:4-8

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.       ((((The Bomb))))

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (((The heavens will roll up as a scroll)))

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

 

It happens in Ezekiel 39:6-8

 

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

 

Edited by Eric Stahl
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
11 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

Zechariah 14:12-13 happens when God causes America and Russia to fight a nuclear war.

 

 

Hi Eric,

You seem to miss when I reply and keep moving on. It would be good to finish one point eg the Olive tree before moving on. I showed you that God`s word reveals it is the Lord who is holy, nurtures us and supports us. Israel has never or can never do that.

As to America and Russia in a nuclear war. You`ll have to have more proof from God`s word regarding that. God`s word actually does say who is in that war. (Ez. 38: 1 - 6)

regards, Marilyn. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Independent Fundamental Baptist
On 2/19/2018 at 7:07 PM, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes to rescue Israel it will be the saints from heaven with him.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come,                   and all the saints with thee.

 

 

(Jesus will take the anointed saints with their two-edged swords to Armageddon to cut the heads of antichrists soldiers to the foundation of their necks.)

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

It is true that the goodness comes from Jesus as the root. However the tree is Israel which has bad branches.when Israel turned from Jesus, Jesus called the church or body of Christ.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Members
10 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

It is true that the goodness comes from Jesus as the root. However the tree is Israel which has bad branches.when Israel turned from Jesus, Jesus called the church or body of Christ.

Hi Eric,

Glad we can agree there bro. that Jesus is the root.  However as regards Israel being the tree, let`s have a closer look -

`.....grafted in among them, and with them became partaker of the root and fatness of the Olive tree.` (Rom. 11: 17)

Clearly we see that the Lord is the root and the Olive tree, for Israel and the Body of Christ receive nourishment from Christ. However it does not say we are in Israel.

regards, Marilyn.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Who's Online   0 Members, 0 Anonymous, 15 Guests (See full list)

    • There are no registered users currently online
×
×
  • Create New...