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5 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

What? I don't think you read my post correctly? My entire post attested to Israel fleeing at the middle of the tribulation period.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you are saying that when the Mount of Olives is split, that's also the event that swallows the flood sent by the dragon. The flood sent by the dragon happens as Israel is fleeing at the middle of the tribulation period. The splitting of the Mount of Olives happens at the end of the tribulation period.

Antichrist takes Jerusalem at mid tribulation. The Lord splits the mount of olives so Israel can flee from his army. When Jesus comes down at the end of the tribulation the saints come too.

 

Revelation 1-2

1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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54 minutes ago, Eric Stahl said:

Antichrist takes Jerusalem at mid tribulation. The Lord splits the mount of olives so Israel can flee from his army. When Jesus comes down at the end of the tribulation the saints come too.

 

Revelation 1-2

1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Just to be clear, are you saying that the splitting of the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14 takes place at the mid-point of the tribulation period.

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10 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

Would you please explain these verses.

Revelation 12:15-16

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Hi Eric,

God`s word tells us that the dragon is Satan and he would try to get rid of the people of Israel. Then we know that there is placed (midway thr` trib) in the Jewish temple an abomination. Jesus, Himself tells the people of Israel to flee at that time to the mountains. That is where they go to Bozrah in Edom, (Isa. 63: 1 & 2) The armies of the A/C do try and follow but obviously the people of Israel are hidden in the mountains.

Then at the end of the trib, when the Lord`s feet touches the Mount of Olives and it splits in two then as we know there is a great valley created. At that time the world`s armies had been killing and looting in the city of Jerusalem, so some of the people of Israel that were still in the city will be able to escape through the valley the Lord created. They do not know at that time that it is the Lord, for they are being hunted down.

`Half the city will go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.....the mount of Olives shall be split in two.....you shall flee through my mountain valley,.....` (Zech. 14: 2, 4 & 5)

regards, Marilyn. 

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4 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Just to be clear, are you saying that the splitting of the Mount of Olives in Zechariah 14 takes place at the mid-point of the tribulation period.

Yes And that is when the devil is cast to earth and Israel flees.

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On 2/5/2018 at 9:36 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Okay. Thank you.

Also the Lord will split the mount and they flee. Later the Lord shall come with the saints.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

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15 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

God`s word tells us that the dragon is Satan and he would try to get rid of the people of Israel. Then we know that there is placed (midway thr` trib) in the Jewish temple an abomination. Jesus, Himself tells the people of Israel to flee at that time to the mountains. That is where they go to Bozrah in Edom, (Isa. 63: 1 & 2) The armies of the A/C do try and follow but obviously the people of Israel are hidden in the mountains.

Then at the end of the trib, when the Lord`s feet touches the Mount of Olives and it splits in two then as we know there is a great valley created. At that time the world`s armies had been killing and looting in the city of Jerusalem, so some of the people of Israel that were still in the city will be able to escape through the valley the Lord created. They do not know at that time that it is the Lord, for they are being hunted down.

`Half the city will go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.....the mount of Olives shall be split in two.....you shall flee through my mountain valley,.....` (Zech. 14: 2, 4 & 5)

regards, Marilyn. 

Marilyn,

Jesus the Lamb will come to the Mount of Olives and tell the survivors of Moab to let the fleeing Jews stay with them at the river ford on the Arnon River. Jesus will sit on the throne of David.

Isaiah 16:1-5

1Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.

2 For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon.

3 Take counsel, execute judgment; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the noonday; hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth.

4 Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.

5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

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8 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

Jesus the Lamb will come to the Mount of Olives and tell the survivors of Moab to let the fleeing Jews stay with them at the river ford on the Arnon River. Jesus will sit on the throne of David.

Isaiah 16:1-5

1Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.

2 For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon.

3 Take counsel, execute judgment; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the noonday; hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth.

4 Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.

5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

Hi Eric,

Isaiah 16 concerns a different time in Israel`s history when Moab was being judged. God then goes to the final time when His throne would be established. There is quite a space between those events as the first part has happened and the second is yet to come. Just as in Isaiah 61: 2, there is a gap between the `acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vengeance.`

So when the Lord comes to the Mount of Olives we read that He goes FIRST to the house of Judah, and then to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. It is then that the Holy Spirit opens their eyes and they realise who the Lord is.

`The Lord will save the tents of Judah, FIRST, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.........and I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for him as one grieves for a first-born.`

In that day there shall be a great mourning in JERUSALEM.` (Zech. 12: 7, 10 & 11)

 

regards, Marilyn.

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56 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Isaiah 16 concerns a different time in Israel`s history when Moab was being judged. God then goes to the final time when His throne would be established. There is quite a space between those events as the first part has happened and the second is yet to come. Just as in Isaiah 61: 2, there is a gap between the `acceptable year of the Lord and the day of vengeance.`

So when the Lord comes to the Mount of Olives we read that He goes FIRST to the house of Judah, and then to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. It is then that the Holy Spirit opens their eyes and they realise who the Lord is.

`The Lord will save the tents of Judah, FIRST, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.........and I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for him as one grieves for a first-born.`

In that day there shall be a great mourning in JERUSALEM.` (Zech. 12: 7, 10 & 11)

 

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

Zechariah 12 is the time of the Psalm 83 war that will happen before the Ezekiel 38 war.

Yes the Lamb comes to Israel first at the middle of the tribulation Isaiah16:1-4 and to the temple at the end of the tribulation Isaiah16:5.

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29 minutes ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

Zechariah 12 is the time of the Psalm 83 war that will happen before the Ezekiel 38 war.

Yes the Lamb comes to Israel first at the middle of the tribulation Isaiah16:1-4 and to the temple at the end of the tribulation Isaiah16:5.

Bro Eric,

Ps. 83 was the 6 day war & has already happened. Could be a good topic for another thread. Ezekiel`s war is just on the horizon, and another good topic to explore. Now as per Zech. 12 we can see from the context that the Lord is referring to `that day, ` the specific day of the Lord when He comes to the Mount of Olives at the end of the trib. 

regards, Marilyn.

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On 2/6/2018 at 5:49 PM, Marilyn C said:

Bro Eric,

Ps. 83 was the 6 day war & has already happened. Could be a good topic for another thread. Ezekiel`s war is just on the horizon, and another good topic to explore. Now as per Zech. 12 we can see from the context that the Lord is referring to `that day, ` the specific day of the Lord when He comes to the Mount of Olives at the end of the trib. 

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

V 12 At the time of the 6 day war the Arabs had the temple.

V13-15 This will be the effects of a nuclear bomb when Israel burns its neighbors.

V 18 Will happen after the tribulation.

The great tribulation will start in the middle of the 7 years of Jacob's trouble. Daniel 12:1-3, Revelation 12:7-17, Zechariah 14:1-5

Psalm 83:12-18

12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.

13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.

14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;

15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.

17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

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Zechariah 12:9-14

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will po14ur upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

 

(I believe when half of the people of Israel go into captivity that the women and children will be taken to the land of the eagle) and the men will stay to fight at the time of war of Ezekiel 38.

Revelation 12:13-14

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

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On ‎11‎/‎02‎/‎2018 at 1:50 AM, Eric Stahl said:

 

Zechariah 12:9-14

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will po14ur upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

 

(I believe when half of the people of Israel go into captivity that the women and children will be taken to the land of the eagle) and the men will stay to fight at the time of war of Ezekiel 38.

Revelation 12:13-14

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Hi Eric,

`And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem` (Zech. 12: 10 & 11)

Here we see that the Lord has gone into Jerusalem and shown Himself to the people of Israel. They realise that He is their Messiah and mourn for Him. They mourn IN JERUSALEM. Now that CANNOT happen in the middle of the tribulation because we are told in God`s word that the anti-Christ, (the lawless one) sets up the abomination of desolation in their temple. When Jesus was on earth He even told them that when they see that  - `to flee.` (Matt. 24: 15 - 22) Thus they are not mourning but fleeing in the middle of the trib,  while at the end of the trib, they will mourn when the Lord Jesus Christ comes in power and great glory and reveals Himself to them.

Big time difference there bro, Marilyn.

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2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

`And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem` (Zech. 12: 10 & 11)

Here we see that the Lord has gone into Jerusalem and shown Himself to the people of Israel. They realise that He is their Messiah and mourn for Him. They mourn IN JERUSALEM. Now that CANNOT happen in the middle of the tribulation because we are told in God`s word that the anti-Christ, (the lawless one) sets up the abomination of desolation in their temple. When Jesus was on earth He even told them that when they see that  - `to flee.` (Matt. 24: 15 - 22) Thus they are not mourning but fleeing in the middle of the trib,  while at the end of the trib, they will mourn when the Lord Jesus Christ comes in power and great glory and reveals Himself to them.

Big time difference there bro, Marilyn.

Ezekiel 39:6-8

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

(When the fire falls on Russia and America Israel will know it is the Lord and they will never turn away from God again.)

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23 minutes ago, Eric Stahl said:

Ezekiel 39:6-8

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

(When the fire falls on Russia and America Israel will know it is the Lord and they will never turn away from God again.)

Hi Eric,

I posted some details to you bro, and it would be courteous to reply to them -

`And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem` (Zech. 12: 10 & 11)

Here we see that the Lord has gone into Jerusalem and shown Himself to the people of Israel. They realise that He is their Messiah and mourn for Him. They mourn IN JERUSALEM. Now that CANNOT happen in the middle of the tribulation because we are told in God`s word that the anti-Christ, (the lawless one) sets up the abomination of desolation in their temple. When Jesus was on earth He even told them that when they see that  - `to flee.` (Matt. 24: 15 - 22) Thus they are not mourning but fleeing in the middle of the trib,  while at the end of the trib, they will mourn when the Lord Jesus Christ comes in power and great glory and reveals Himself to them.

Big time difference there bro, Marilyn.

 

regards, Marilyn.

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9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

I posted some details to you bro, and it would be courteous to reply to them -

`And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem` (Zech. 12: 10 & 11)

Here we see that the Lord has gone into Jerusalem and shown Himself to the people of Israel. They realise that He is their Messiah and mourn for Him. They mourn IN JERUSALEM. Now that CANNOT happen in the middle of the tribulation because we are told in God`s word that the anti-Christ, (the lawless one) sets up the abomination of desolation in their temple. When Jesus was on earth He even told them that when they see that  - `to flee.` (Matt. 24: 15 - 22) Thus they are not mourning but fleeing in the middle of the trib,  while at the end of the trib, they will mourn when the Lord Jesus Christ comes in power and great glory and reveals Himself to them.

Big time difference there bro, Marilyn.

 

regards, Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn,

 

In the middle of the tribulation when the antichrist enters the temple the Jews reject him then he brings the armies of the world to take Jerusalem. Israel will see the Lord Jesus come to their rescue. He will split the Mount of Olives so they can escape to the river ford on the Arnon river (Isaiah 16:1-5)

Zechariah
Chapter 14

1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

After the tribulation Israel will again see Jesus coming to be with them as King.

Isaiah
Chapter 60

1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.

2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.

(verse 3 starts the 1000 year kingdom age.)

3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 

Thank you for making me explain! You have an above average knowledge of prophecy. It is fun talking to you on the other side of the world.

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9 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Hi Marilyn,

 

In the middle of the tribulation when the antichrist enters the temple the Jews reject him then he brings the armies of the world to take Jerusalem. Israel will see the Lord Jesus come to their rescue. He will split the Mount of Olives so they can escape to the river ford on the Arnon river (Isaiah 16:1-5)

 

Hi Eric,

I also appreciate to talk to those who study God`s word in depth. Now we are getting to details. You say that about the time of him setting up his A/D then he brings the armies of the world to take Jerusalem. However...it is not until the end of the trib, that that happens. The armies of the world gather in the vast expansive valley at Armageddon, north of Israel. We know they go through the land of Israel killing all Israeli as they go - two thirds of the nation of Israel. (Zech. 13: 8) Then the world`s armies take Jerusalem and finally gather in victory formation surrounding Jerusalem. (Luke 21: 20 & 24)

We know it will be a pyrrhic victory - costing more to the victor than to the vanquished!

regards, Marilyn.

 

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4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

I also appreciate to talk to those who study God`s word in depth. Now we are getting to details. You say that about the time of him setting up his A/D then he brings the armies of the world to take Jerusalem. However...it is not until the end of the trib, that that happens. The armies of the world gather in the vast expansive valley at Armageddon, north of Israel. We know they go through the land of Israel killing all Israeli as they go - two thirds of the nation of Israel. (Zech. 13: 8) Then the world`s armies take Jerusalem and finally gather in victory formation surrounding Jerusalem. (Luke 21: 20 & 24)

We know it will be a pyrrhic victory - costing more to the victor than to the vanquished!

regards, Marilyn.

 

Marilyn.

(The antichrist will set up his base camp at Armageddon before the Russian invasion.)

 

Daniel 11:43a

43athe Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

Revelation
Chapter 11

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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3 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn.

(The antichrist will set up his base camp at Armageddon before the Russian invasion.)

 

Daniel 11:43a

43athe Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

 

Revelation
Chapter 11

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Hi Eric,

From those scriptures we understand that the anti-Christ will go over to the Lord`s glorious mountain - Mount Zion in Jerusalem and tread down the holy city for 42 months. It does not say anything about Armageddon there.

Marilyn.

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