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      Closed Communion
      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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Zechariah 14:1-5
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.


(((At the middle of the tribulation the Lord will come down to help Israel escape the armies of antichrist which are under the control of the devil who has been cast to the earth)))


3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Revelation 12:13-16
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


((When the army of antichrist follows Israel down the valley, the mountain will close and swallow the army as the Red Sea swallowed the army of Eygpt))

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And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

((When the lamb (Lord) comes to Israel she will flee to the river ford on the Arnon River which is 1/3 of the way south on the Jordan side of the Dead Sea.))

Isaiah 16:1-5
1 Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land from Sela to the wilderness, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion.
2 For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon.
3 Take counsel, execute judgment; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the noonday; hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth.
4Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for the extortioner is at an end, the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land.
5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.

 

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Eze 21:25  And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end, 
26  Thus saith the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high. 
27  I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him. 
28  And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering: 
29  Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end. 
30  Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity. 
31  And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy. 
32  Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it. 

..According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."

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Isaiah 33:14-20

 

14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;

( the righteous Jews that flee to the River Arnon in Jordan will have water and bread through the last half of the Tribulation (maybe mana as in the wilderness.)

16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

18 Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver? where is he that counted the towers?

19 Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand.

20 Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.

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On ‎26‎/‎06‎/‎2016 at 2:07 AM, Eric Stahl said:

Mid Tribulation fleeing of Israel

(((At the middle of the tribulation the Lord will come down to help Israel escape the armies of antichrist which are under the control of the devil who has been cast to the earth)))
3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

 

 Hi Eric,

I am looking at this statement you have made  -

(At the middle of the tribulation the Lord will come down to help Israel escape the armies of antichrist which are under the control of the devil who has been cast to the earth.)

 I believe it occurs at the end of the tribulation. To me the context tells us that the Lord comes down when He will fight against all those nations that come against Israel and Jerusalem.

`For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ......` (Zech. 14: 2)

What do you think? Marilyn.

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On 1/31/2018 at 11:05 PM, Marilyn C said:

 Hi Eric,

I am looking at this statement you have made  -

(At the middle of the tribulation the Lord will come down to help Israel escape the armies of antichrist which are under the control of the devil who has been cast to the earth.)

 I believe it occurs at the end of the tribulation. To me the context tells us that the Lord comes down when He will fight against all those nations that come against Israel and Jerusalem.

`For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ......` (Zech. 14: 2)

What do you think? Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn C

I am honored for your post since you have only a few post.

Revelation 12:12-17

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

 

(she is Israel and and she will flee to the wilderness for a time (1 year) and times (2 years) and half a time (half a year) or the last half of the tribulation.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

Does this make sense?

Also

Revelation 11:1-2

1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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Hi Eric,

You are talking one of my favourite topics (besides the Lord Himself) - His purposes. Yes I agree with scripture there bro. (Of course) However I thought you were saying that the Lord came down to earth personally mid-trib to look after Israel. I agree He does look after them, (how else would they survive) but I do not see any scripture saying He comes down to earth at that time.

Have I misunderstood you, bro?

Marilyn.

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4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

You are talking one of my favourite topics (besides the Lord Himself) - His purposes. Yes I agree with scripture there bro. (Of course) However I thought you were saying that the Lord came down to earth personally mid-trib to look after Israel. I agree He does look after them, (how else would they survive) but I do not see any scripture saying He comes down to earth at that time.

Have I misunderstood you, bro?

Marilyn.

Marilyn.

When the army of antichrist comes to Jerusalem The Lord will come down on the mount of Olives to split it so Israel can flee to Jordan to the river ford on the Arnon River. (Isaiah 16:1-5) When the army  follows the Jews the mount of Olives will swallow them like the Egyptians in the Red sea. (Revelation 12:15-16)

 

Zechariah 14:1-4

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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3 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn.

When the army of antichrist comes to Jerusalem The Lord will come down on the mount of Olives to split it so Israel can flee to Jordan to the river ford on the Arnon River. (Isaiah 16:1-5) When the army  follows the Jews the mount of Olives will swallow them like the Egyptians in the Red sea. (Revelation 12:15-16)

 

Zechariah 14:1-4

1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Hi Eric,

Interesting thought there, however I do not see how you can connect Zech. 14 with Isaiah 16. Zechariah 14 is the specific day of the Lord when He comes to the Mount of Olives, (as we both know). So you have to be more specific to identify Isa. 16 and Rev. 12.

regards, Marilyn.

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4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Interesting thought there, however I do not see how you can connect Zech. 14 with Isaiah 16. Zechariah 14 is the specific day of the Lord when He comes to the Mount of Olives, (as we both know). So you have to be more specific to identify Isa. 16 and Rev. 12.

regards, Marilyn.

Israel will only flee one time. Revelation 12:15-16 says there will be a time,times and half a time or 3,5 years after Israel flees. Zechariah 14:1-5a are mid tribulation and 14:5b looks forward to the end of the tribulation.

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13 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Israel will only flee one time. Revelation 12:15-16 says there will be a time,times and half a time or 3,5 years after Israel flees. Zechariah 14:1-5a are mid tribulation and 14:5b looks forward to the end of the tribulation.

Hi Eric,

`Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half the city shall go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. And in that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move towards the north and half of it towards the south.

Then you shall flee through my mountain valley, for the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.` (Zech. 14: 1 - 5a)

So looking at the above scripture what shows to you that it is mid-trib? Oh I`ve just re-read your other post. So this is what you said -

When the army of antichrist comes to Jerusalem The Lord will come down on the mount of Olives to split it so Israel can flee to Jordan to the river ford on the Arnon River. (Isaiah 16:1-5) When the army  follows the Jews the mount of Olives will swallow them like the Egyptians in the Red sea. (Revelation 12:15-16)

I don`t see any connection between Isa 16: 1 - 5. The Lord is the one who deals with the armies of the world, not the mount of Olives. The Lord speaks the word and the flesh of the armies melts from off their bodies.  (Zech. 14: 12 - 15  & Rev. 19: 15)

regards, Marilyn.

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2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

`Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; the city shall be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half the city shall go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. And in that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; half of the mountain shall move towards the north and half of it towards the south.

Then you shall flee through my mountain valley, for the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.` (Zech. 14: 1 - 5a)

So looking at the above scripture what shows to you that it is mid-trib? Oh I`ve just re-read your other post. So this is what you said -

When the army of antichrist comes to Jerusalem The Lord will come down on the mount of Olives to split it so Israel can flee to Jordan to the river ford on the Arnon River. (Isaiah 16:1-5) When the army  follows the Jews the mount of Olives will swallow them like the Egyptians in the Red sea. (Revelation 12:15-16)

I don`t see any connection between Isa 16: 1 - 5. The Lord is the one who deals with the armies of the world, not the mount of Olives. The Lord speaks the word and the flesh of the armies melts from off their bodies.  (Zech. 14: 12 - 15  & Rev. 19: 15)

regards, Marilyn.

Isaiah 16:1-5 tells us that the fleeing Jews will go to the the river Arnon on the east side of the dead sea.

When Moses led the Jews over the Red Sea and the army Egypt followed. The sea swallowed the army of Eygpt as the Mount of Olives will swallow the army of antichrist.

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2 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Bro Eric, I don't see this happening in the verse you gave in Revelation: "the mount of Olives will swallow them like the Egyptians in the Red sea."

Did you make a mistake in your reference?

Zechariah 1-4 and Revelation 12:15-16 are describing the same event. Mount of olives and the earth are the same.

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2 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Zechariah 1-4 and Revelation 12:15-16 are describing the same event. Mount of olives and the earth are the same.

Hi Eric,

So are you saying when we read the word `earth` then that means the mount of Olives - I don`t think so bro. God is not vague, but very specific. If God means Mount of Olives He says so, if He means the earth, then that is what he says.

Marilyn.

 

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4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

So are you saying when we read the word `earth` then that means the mount of Olives - I don`t think so bro. God is not vague, but very specific. If God means Mount of Olives He says so, if He means the earth, then that is what he says.

Marilyn.

 

Marilyn,

Would you please explain these verses.

Revelation 12:15-16

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

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Revelation 12:14

The woman (Israel) flees to her place in the wilderness...where she will stay for the next 3 1/2 years.

Revelation 12:15

As the woman flees to her place, the dragon casts out a flood after her...to try and carry her away while she is fleeing...there are still 3 1/2 years to go.

Revelation 12:16

The earth opens her mouth and swallows the flood...as the woman is fleeing to her place...there are still 3 1/2 years to go. 

Revelation 12:17

This dragon is angry with the woman. She has escaped from him, so he goes to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ...for the remaining 3 1/2 years.

The Mount of Olives is split when the Lord comes down at the end of those 3 1/2 years.

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54 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Revelation 12:14

The woman (Israel) flees to her place in the wilderness...where she will stay for the next 3 1/2 years.

Revelation 12:15

As the woman flees to her place, the dragon casts out a flood after her...to try and carry her away while she is fleeing...there are still 3 1/2 years to go.

Revelation 12:16

The earth opens her mouth and swallows the flood...as the woman is fleeing to her place...there are still 3 1/2 years to go. 

Revelation 12:17

This dragon is angry with the woman. She has escaped from him, so he goes to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ...for the remaining 3 1/2 years.

The Mount of Olives is split when the Lord comes down at the end of those 3 1/2 years.

Why would Israel have to flee at the end of the tribulation if Jesus is there when the Mount of olives is split? I believe they flee in the middle of the 7 year tribulation and are protected for a time,times,and half a time.

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1 hour ago, Eric Stahl said:

Why would Israel have to flee at the end of the tribulation if Jesus is there when the Mount of olives is split? I believe they flee in the middle of the 7 year tribulation and are protected for a time,times,and half a time.

What? I don't think you read my post correctly? My entire post attested to Israel fleeing at the middle of the tribulation period.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you are saying that when the Mount of Olives is split, that's also the event that swallows the flood sent by the dragon. The flood sent by the dragon happens as Israel is fleeing at the middle of the tribulation period. The splitting of the Mount of Olives happens at the end of the tribulation period.

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