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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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7 hours ago, beameup said:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.  Acts 2:38 

Acts 2:38 -- "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins."

Hmmmm.  So then, is it repentance and (faith in) the name of Jesus Christ that results in "the remission of sins"?  Or, is it repentance and (the religious work of) baptism that results in "the remission of sins"?

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 11:36 AM, beameup said:

For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the [direct] revelation of Jesus Christ.  Gal 1:11-12

So Jesus stepped down off of his throne, left heaven, returned to earth, and gave Paul one on one classes?

In reality the Holy Ghost revealed Jesus unto Paul.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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I find it somewhat amusing that so many just "assume" (because it is often repeated and repeated to them) that the Tribulation immediately follows the Rapture.  I also find it somewhat amusing that many simply "assume" that those saved in the first half of the Tribulation and those saved in the second half (ie: Great Tribulation) are "saved" in the same manner, or that there one and only one "Rapture".

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.  Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles 1 Corinthians 14:37-38
 
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6 hours ago, beameup said:

I find it somewhat amusing that so many just "assume" (because it is often repeated and repeated to them) that the Tribulation immediately follows the Rapture. 

This is not based upon an assumption, but upon Bible study.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 we are taught that the Day of Christ cannot begin until the "man of sin" is revealed.  Now, this Day of Christ is explained in Revelation 6:16-17 as "the great day" of "the wrath of the Lamb."  So then, we understand that the Day of Christ is a phrase that refers to the seven year Tribulation Period.  As such, the seven year Tribulation Period cannot begin until the "man of sin" is revealed.  So then, how shall this "man of sin" be revealed?  Daniel 9:27 reveals the answer by teaching us that "the prince that shall come" will "confirm the covenant with many [from among Daniel's people, the children of Israel] for one week [for a seven year period]."  Even so, this revelation of the "man of sin," "the prince that shall come" is itself the very initiation of the final seven year period of the "seventy weeks" of Daniel 9:24-27, which is the seven years of the Tribulation Period.  As such, we understand that the seven year Tribulation Period begins immediately with this revelation of the "man of sin."

Yet 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 teaches us that the "man of sin" cannot be revealed until the One who now withholds "the mystery of iniquity" be "taken out of the way."  Now, "the mystery of iniquity" is already working to take over; and the only power that is preventing "the mystery of iniquity" from taking over is the One who now holds it back.  Even so, as soon as the One who now withholds is "taken out of the way," the power of "the mystery of iniquity" that "doth already work" will move with the force of a raging flood; and "then" (at that time) the "man of sin" shall be revealed.

6 hours ago, beameup said:

I also find it somewhat amusing that many simply "assume" that those saved in the first half of the Tribulation and those saved in the second half (ie: Great Tribulation) are "saved" in the same manner . . .

No need for any form of assumption here, since I do not believe that anyone will be getting saved during the second half of the seven year Tribulation Period, but that all unbelievers during that time will be under God's work of "strong delusion" to believe the lie of "the man of sin" wherein he shall claim to be god, as per 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12. (See also Revelation 13:8)

6 hours ago, beameup said:

. . . or that there is one and only one "Rapture".

Really???  And what future "catching up" is revealed in the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God other than that in 1 Thessalonians 1:13-18?

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The cartoon about "thinking outside of the box" is priceless, simply because it is an apt example of where heretical teaching comes from.

You would have to think "outside of the box" [Bible] to come up with doctrines that fly in the face of actual Scripture and sound IFB teaching to come up with the obvious distortions and wrong interpretations posted by "some" in this thread.

It is amazing to me that "some" who claim to be IFB can deviate so far from the teaching of those that have gone before us, and yet still want to be known as one with us.

Scripture warns us in many places of this kind of danger.

 Jude 1:3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 
 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 

 Gal 2:4-5  And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: 
 5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

 Gal 1:6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 
 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 

So then, is there specific teaching of those that have gone before us, those that have held to the pure teaching of God's word even at the cost of their lives that we are to hold to? Does Scripture tell us to follow the teaching of faithful men of God?

 2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

 Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

 Heb 2:1Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

There is a place where truth resides, it is the local church, this  is why church doctrine and church history is so critically important.

 1Ti 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

There will always be those among us that will seek to subvert people by twisting and wresting Scripture to their own liking and brand of Theology. It is important that we understand that all Scripture is Inspired of God.  2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

As such, it is imperative to include those things recorded in Scripture and taught by those that are recorded in Scripture.

 

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14 hours ago, beameup said:

I find it somewhat amusing that so many just "assume" (because it is often repeated and repeated to them) that the Tribulation immediately follows the Rapture.  I also find it somewhat amusing that many simply "assume" that those saved in the first half of the Tribulation and those saved in the second half (ie: Great Tribulation) are "saved" in the same manner, or that there one and only one "Rapture".

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.  Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles 1 Corinthians 14:37-38
 
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For example, it is blatantly obvious to some here that some elements of Augustinian (RCC) "Replacement Theology" have even crept into the IFB ranks. 

As also in all his [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest [wrestle], as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16
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1 hour ago, beameup said:

For example, it is blatantly obvious to some here that some elements of Augustinian (RCC) "Replacement Theology" have even crept into the IFB ranks. 

As also in all his [Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest [wrestle], as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16

2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter had read the letter that Paul sent them. Peter is agreeing with Paul the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation. Peter agrees with Paul its Jesus' death that saves us from sin. Longsuffering of our Lord was the cross. Destruction comes when people reject the Lamb of God and spend eternity in Hell.

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 8:54 PM, John81 said:

Take note that Covenanter was banned from this site yet in all his views which were deemed unacceptable he was clear there was only one means of salvation, just as Scripture says. False teaching on salvation is far more dangerous than various views regarding the end times.

Peter, Paul, James, John, all the other Apostles and Jesus all taught one and the same Gospel, the only means of salvation for anyone ever.

There is only "one means" of salvation; however, the Body of Christ is SEALED by the Holy Spirit. 

Abraham "had the gospel preached to him" - Gal 3:8

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them [Israel in the wilderness]: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.  Hebrews 4:1-2
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8 hours ago, beameup said:

There is only "one means" of salvation; however, the Body of Christ is SEALED by the Holy Spirit. 

Yet the conflict over this matter has NEVER been whether believers from different "dispensations" might experience different blessings of salvation. 

The conflict over this matter has CONTINUALLY been over the required means of salvation, as follows:

1.  Is eternal salvation by God's grace alone through an individual's faith alone in God's Savior?

2.  Is eternal salvation by God's grace through an individual's faith in God's Savior along with an individual's performance of certain works of righteousness?

3.  Is eternal salvation by human merit alone through an individual's performance of certain works of righteousness?

On the forum at the present time, it does not appear that the third of these options is being propagated.  However, on the forum at the present time, it DOES appear that the second of the options IS being propagate, at least doctrinally concerning certain peoples during certain "dispensations."

Yet in God's Holy Word God the Holy Spirit inspired the apostle Paul to declare the following in Romans 11:6 --

1.  "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace."

2.  "But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is not more work."

(Note: It is even worthy of notice that Romans 11:6 was presented in its immediate context concerning Israelite believers.)

Even so, God the Holy Spirit through inspiration has informed us that by definition it is spiritually impossible to mix grace and works as the means for salvation.  As such, we are taught by the authority of God the Holy Spirit Himself through the Holy Scriptures that the second option above is a spiritual impossibility and a Biblical falsehood.  Indeed, anyone who teaches such an option in their doctrine of the gospel for any peoples during any "dispensation" is teaching a Biblical falsehood, and that concerning the gospel itself. 

Galatians 1:8-9 -- "But though we [including even the apostles], or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel [any other than the gospel of "the grace of Christ," as per verses 6-7] unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."

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13 hours ago, MountainChristian said:

2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter had read the letter that Paul sent them. Peter is agreeing with Paul the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation. Peter agrees with Paul its Jesus' death that saves us from sin. Longsuffering of our Lord was the cross. Destruction comes when people reject the Lamb of God and spend eternity in Hell.

Yes, I'm sure that Paul had occasion to address his kinsmen, as the promised Kingdom (on earth) was "at stake".  It is understandable that 2 Peter 3:15-16 would be mentioning this.  However, the revelations given to Paul by the risen Christ, from heaven, seem to far surpass any "revelations" given to the other Apostles ("hard to be understood").

And unto the Jews I [Paul] became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
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17 hours ago, MountainChristian said:

2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter had read the letter that Paul sent them. Peter is agreeing with Paul the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation. Peter agrees with Paul its Jesus' death that saves us from sin. Longsuffering of our Lord was the cross. Destruction comes when people reject the Lamb of God and spend eternity in Hell.

 

4 hours ago, beameup said:

Yes, I'm sure that Paul had occasion to address his kinsmen, as the promised Kingdom (on earth) was "at stake".  It is understandable that 2 Peter 3:15-16 would be mentioning this.  However, the revelations given to Paul by the risen Christ, from heaven, seem to far surpass any "revelations" given to the other Apostles ("hard to be understood").

And unto the Jews I [Paul] became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;

Why did Paul write "as a Jew"? He was a Jew so what did he do that Jews do? He lived as under the law. Why did he say "as under"? Jesus set the captives free. Paul lived under the Law of Liberty. No longer under bondage to the Law of Moses. Paul was free, Peter was free, all Jews are free when they take on Jesus' yoke. Jesus sets everyone free who come to Him to have their sins forgiven. Its great to be saved by Jesus.

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On 23/02/2016 at 4:04 AM, MountainChristian said:

 

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;

Why did Paul write "as a Jew"? He was a Jew so what did he do that Jews do? He lived as under the law. Why did he say "as under"? Jesus set the captives free. Paul lived under the Law of Liberty. No longer under bondage to the Law of Moses. Paul was free, Peter was free, all Jews are free when they take on Jesus' yoke. Jesus sets everyone free who come to Him to have their sins forgiven. Its great to be saved by Jesus.

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Cor 9:20

To a strictly "Jewish" audience, Paul would of course pursuaded them that the "Kingdom" (on earth) was still available to them as a Nation, and opened up the Old Testament to them.

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4 hours ago, beameup said:

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Cor 9:20

To a strictly "Jewish" audience, Paul would of course pursuaded them that the "Kingdom" (on earth) was still available to them as a Nation, and opened up the Old Testament to them.

Nonsense.

Paul taught the same gospel to the Jews and the gentiles.

Romans 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

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13 hours ago, beameup said:

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 1 Cor 9:20

To a strictly "Jewish" audience, Paul would of course pursuaded them that the "Kingdom" (on earth) was still available to them as a Nation, and opened up the Old Testament to them.

If Paul taught the only salvation is the "Kingdom" then they died in their sins and went to Hell. Paul taught Yeshua Messiah the lamb of God so they could be saved. Paul teaches Jesus Christ the savior of mankind. Peter did too, so much so he said "for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." That must of been outrageous to any Jew who believed in Yahweh. Think about it, Peter didn't say Yahweh's name but Yeshua!!! Praise be to Jesus for coming and saving us from our sins. Doesn't that make you want to shout for joy? Praise be to the Lamb of God for coming and saving us. Man oh man, I look forward to bowing at his feet in person. Seeing what he looks like. Jesus love is so great he is going to let me see him in his glorified body.

Why wait for the Kingdom on earth when anyone can have the Kingdom of Heaven, today!!! Don't worship the kingdom worship the King.

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On 2/22/2016 at 9:52 AM, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Really???  And what future "catching up" is revealed in the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God other than that in 1 Thessalonians 1:13-18?

Mid-trib rapture to Heaven :  Revelation 11:11-12

Post-trib rapture to Israel :  Matthew 24:29-31

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On 2/29/2016 at 7:36 AM, John81 said:

Paul preached the same, one and only, Gospel to all. The above simply points out that when Paul preached to Jews he was mindful of their customs so he wouldn't eat bacon in their company or such that would offend them.

It would offend God too. Paul was Torah observant.  He never ate anything that was unclean.

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