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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

After the Tribulation


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Those interested in Bible prophecy must see this. It exposes the pretrib rapture for the fraud that it is. The bible is clear, the Day of the Lord is the 2nd coming/Rapture....and it all occurs after the tribulation (Matt 24:29). Pretribbers have no clear bible verses saying it happens before the tribulation. This lie has been made mainstream by the zionist funded commentary of CI Scoefield, which has also confused christians on who is the seed of Abraham. You will learn that wrath and tribulation are 2 different things. Christians aren't appointed to wrath, but throughout the bible we are appointed to tribulation. Open your mind, take off the blinding pretrib glasses and feel a renewed faith in the bible as you begin to understand the book of revelation. You will learn that it is in chronological order. Ch. 1-11 and Ch. 12-22. Throughout the bible the events always go tribulation, Rapture, Wrath.

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Okay, let's try this ONE LAST TIME.

You want to fellowship, discuss, etc? Start in the intro area and give your testimony of salvation.

I think there is probably a discussion on this that's not locked (if you want to comment on it [after reading it] and can't find it, ask and someone can probably find it for you).

You want to come right out of the blocks with "setting everyone straight", your stay is extremely limited in time. Got it?

 

Is this in retaliation to a pre-wrath position? Nope, it will be the consequences of your approach and attitude if you persist. BTW, FWIW -- one of our mods is pre-wrath (be sure to mention that if you get banned and decide to tirade elsewhere about your treatment here.)

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1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

I take comfort in the fact that, as a saved and sealed Believer in Jesus Christ, I will not be here when God's wrath is poured out on mankind.  Yes, Jesus does say we will have tribulation in the Gospel of John, chapter sixteen.  However, He clearly identifies that tribulation to be coming from the world,... not from God.

When God's wrath is poured out on this Earth, we are told that there will be no place to hide.  Both bond and free will cry out for the mountains to hide them from God's wrath, yet they shall not escape.  This means that everyone will experience God's wrath, no exceptions.  Yet, once again, I take comfort in the fact that, as a saved and sealed Believer in Jesus Christ, I will not be here when God's wrath will be poured out on mankind.

 

He has assured me of this in His Word.  I rest in Him.  He is faithful who promised.  I may see tribulation in this world, but I will not see this world as it goes through God's wrath.

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1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

I take comfort in the fact that, as a saved and sealed Believer in Jesus Christ, I will not be here when God's wrath is poured out on mankind.  Yes, Jesus does say we will have tribulation in the Gospel of John, chapter sixteen.  However, He clearly identifies that tribulation to be coming from the world,... not from God.

When God's wrath is poured out on this Earth, we are told that there will be no place to hide.  Both bond and free will cry out for the mountains to hide them from God's wrath, yet they shall not escape.  This means that everyone will experience God's wrath, no exceptions.  Yet, once again, I take comfort in the fact that, as a saved and sealed Believer in Jesus Christ, I will not be here when God's wrath will be poured out on mankind.

 

He has assured me of this in His Word.  I rest in Him.  He is faithful who promised.  I may see tribulation in this world, but I will not see this world as it goes through God's wrath.

Since the OP separates, or differentiates tribulation from wrath, does this reply really address their premise?

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The entire 7 year period of tribulation (aka Daniel's 70th week--Dainiel 9:24-27 and Time of Jacob's Trouble) is GOD'S WRATH.  Who is opening the seal judgments in Revelation 6---man or God? 

Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

The last two verses of Revelation 6 define the very beginning of this period as GOD'S  (the Lamb's) WRATH.

 Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The trials and tribulations Christians go through IN THIS WORLD are not the same as God's wrath during the Time of Jacob's Trouble.  This period of 7 years (Daniel's 70th Week) does not include the Church. 

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

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Since God's wrath will be poured out during the seven year tribulation period, (the greater wrath during the last half) I believe it does address it.

It is clear that the OP has a post-trib, post-wrath view.

I understand your point, but given he's saying Christians will go through tribulation but not wrath, your response didn't cover that.

Some contend (I don't know if this person does or not) that Christian will go through the tribulation but be spared the effects of God's wrath as Israel was when God poured His wrath out upon Egypt. Some also point to the similarities between the plagues against Egypt and some of those mentioned in Revelation.

I'm not arguing the merit of your post, only whether it clearly addresses the OP's specific premise.

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The OP stand is that of pre wrath it appears from his little chart. The chart shows a 3.5 year Rapture.

Sadly all the research and eloquence in the world won't erase the simple facts of Matthew 24 and repeated in Luke:

    36, But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37, But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38, For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40, Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    41, Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    42, Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
    43, But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    44, Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

All saved will know when the Great Tribulation begins and would certainly know the Seals so any thoughts of a rapture mid or post is just not "how can I say kindly" intelligent.

I don't care what big shot wrote what book. The big shots should be serving God in their local church. It just may be them who are supposed to lead the last few to the Lord before any of this will occur anyway and what are they doing? This?

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There have been some in the past, and are some today who speculate if this or that going on is a part of God's wrath. They question which one from Revelation such might be.

Some effected by the New Madrid earthquakes in 1811-1812 thought the wrath of God was being poured out. Similar speculation from some during the "year without summer" in 1816. Those impacted greatly by the American Civil War, WWI, Great Depression, WWII.

During these and countless other times there have been those declaring the rapture has to happen very soon now, or this has to be the wrath of God being poured out.

Too much speculation in this area, too little actual living for Christ.

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Those interested in Bible prophecy must see this. It exposes the pretrib rapture for the fraud that it is. The bible is clear, the Day of the Lord is the 2nd coming/Rapture....and it all occurs after the tribulation (Matt 24:29). Pretribbers have no clear bible verses saying it happens before the tribulation. This lie has been made mainstream by the zionist funded commentary of CI Scoefield, which has also confused christians on who is the seed of Abraham.

Could you please elaborate on  why you said that the C.I. Scofield was a Zionist Funded Commentary. Please give specific reasons and references.

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"The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness." Proverbs 15:14

Your statement concerning C.I. Scofield and a Zionist funded commentary was vague, ambiguous and tended to make the casual reader think you are anti-Semitic.

In order to have full understanding, and seek knowledge in your posting we need more information concerning your posting. Could you please answer my above post, and the following two questions, with clear, precise and referenced answers. These three questions are important to understand your posting and reasoning.

1. Are you referring to the C. I. Scofield Reference Bible as a Zionist funded commentary?

2. Is anything financed by a Jew, or a Zionist organization, inherently bad? or evil? or unscriptual?

3. Please define, "Zionist."

Please give appropriate scriptual answers and specific, clear answers with references that can be checked and verified.

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Brethren,

I just finished watching the movie that Matthew 24 posted. The one hour and 53 miniutes of the movie was actually one hour and 53 minutes listening to the hereitic Steven Anderson lambasting those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.

The movie is not a movie; it is a series of sermons and  lectures by Pastor Steven Anderson and his co-host Pastor Roger Jimenez. On occasion, they have Brother Kent Hovind. What respect that I had for Kent Hovind is totally gone. I feel sorry for Kent. 

Also I listened to the anti-Semitic rant of Pastor Anderson on another audio clip that is on his website. Pastor Anderson is anti-semitic to the core.

The lecture / movie is a series of twisted logic and interpretation derived from Matthew 24 and Revelation. Andersons interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is also pathetic and a waste of time.

During the entire video he completely ignores all of the Old Testament references to the time of, "Jacob's Trouble," or, "The 7 year Tribulation period," and totally ignores the promises of God pertaining to the Jews in the time of, "Jacob's trouble." Also, it is very obvious that Pastor Anderson believes in, "Replacement theology," and that the nation of Israel in not, I repeat, not the "elect," nor or ever will be.

Although Anderson slanders Darby and Scofield, he praises Luther and Calvin. "Birds of a feather flock together."

His hatred, yes hatred, of the pre-tribulation rapture is evident throughout the entire video.

Besides making snide remarks, slandering, and belittling those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture here are a few choice words that he gave to those brethren who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture:

1. Anderson says the pre-tribulation rapture is a False Doctrine.

2. Based on Tradition (Darby and Scofield). Not on the Bible.

3. The pre-tribulation rapture is, and I quote Andersons own words "A fairy tale."

4. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Do not believe the Bible."

5. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Have no heart for God."

6. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Are brainwashed."

Also, Anderson plainly states that those mistaken brethren who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture are comparable to the Muslims, Buddhists, the Dali lama, and the Jews. In fact, Anderson says that those who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture will receive the anti-Christ as Jesus coming again.

In my estimation Pastor Anderson is anti-Semitic, cannot rightly divide the scriptures, a false teacher, and is causing harm to the independent Baptist fundamental movement.

Alan

 

 

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Brethren,

I just finished watching the movie that Matthew 24 posted. The one hour and 53 miniutes of the movie was actully one hour and 53 minutes listening to  the hereitic Steven Anderson lambasting those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.

The movie is not a movie; it is a series of sermons and  lectures by Pastor Steven anderson and his co-host Pastor Roger Jimenez. On occasion they have brother Kent Hovind. What respect that I had for Kent Hovind is totally gone. I feel sorry for kent. 

Also I listened to the anti-Semitic rant of Pastor Anderson on another audio clip that is on his website. Pastor Anderson is anti-semitic to the core.

The lecture / movie is a series of twisted logic and interpretation  derived from Matthew 24 and Revelation. Andersons interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and  2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is also pathetic and a waste of time.

During the entire video he completely ignores all of the Old Testament references to the time of, "Jacoob's Trouble," or, "The 7 year Tribulation period," and totally ignores the promises of God pertaining to the Jews in the time of, "Jacob's trouble." Also, it is very obvious that Pastor Anderson belives in, "Replacement theology," and that the nation of Israel in not, I repeat, not the "elect," nor or ever will be.

Although Anderson slanders Darby and Scofield he praises Luther and Calvin. "Birds of a feather flock together."

His hatred, yes hatred, of the pre-tribulation rapture is evident throughout the entire video.

Besides making snide remarks, slandering, and belittling those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture here are a few cholce words that he gave to those brethren who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture:

1. Anderson says the pre-tribulation rapture is a False Doctrine.

2. Based on Tradtion (Darby and Scofield). Not on the Bible.

3. The pre-tribulation rapture is, and I quote Andersons own words, "A fairy tale."

4. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, "Do not believe the Bible."

5. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, "Have no heart for God."

6. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, "Are brainwashed."

Also, Anderson plainly states that those mistaken brethren who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture are comparable to the Muslims, Buddhists, the Dali lama, and the Jews. In fact, Anderson says that those who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture will receive the anti-christ as Jesus coming again.

In my estimation Pastor Anderson is anti-Semitic, cannot rightly divide the scriptures, a false teacher, and is causing harm to the independent Baptist fundamental movement.

Alan

 

 

:goodpost:  Amen Bro. Alan!   The sequel to this documentary, Marching To Zion, is more of the same anti-semitic rhetoric as After The Tribulation.  It would be a waste of time to watch it.

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Already knowing of Anderson I didn't bother to watch the video but I do appreciate Alan taking the time to do so and give his review. Even where he's right he's often wrong in his approach and manner as well as style and presentation. He tends to attract those who want to think of themselves as being on a higher level of Christianity than others, possessing special understanding and a call to be crude and brash.

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matthew24,

I would still like for you to answer the questions about Scofield. In the video it openly called C.I. Scofield and apsotate. Do you think that C.I. Scofield was an apostate? If so, why?

John81,

I will try and be better in my approach and presentation.

Alan

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I may be wrong Alan, but if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for and answer.

Jim,

Wouldn't surprise me a bit if I never received a clear response; or even a response. Sad though. It really pains my heart what is happening in the fundamentalist movement.

All of the great men of God, Holy Spirit filled, great soul-winners, that left the modernistic churches in the early part of the 1920's-1950's and were mightily used of God, almost to the man, were pre-tribulation rapture. Now, Pastor Anderson, and his followers, besides calling Scofield apostate, are calling men who  believed the pre-tribulation rapture: men like J. Frank Norris, Oliver B. Greene, G. B. Vick,  Pastor Dowell, Pastor Robertson, Lehman Strauss, and other mighly men of God, apostates and the other slanderous names that I heard on Pastor Andersons lecture video.

 

 

 

 

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Wow,

I feel the love. lol. I feel like Daniel in the lions den. I listen to Anderson quite a bit and I feel like for the most part people hear bits of his sermons and are quick to paint him as anti-Semitic, hateful, and like to compare him to Fred Phelps. He doesn't think pretrib is even close to the most important doctrine. Scofield invented dispensations, he believes people in the old testament were saved by their works. What is an everlasting gospel?       Those who seek truth will find it. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/scofield.htm

This is just one....I just googled it and there it is. Google doesn't lie, lol. The man that runs this website is even a pretrib guy who hates Anderson, but I agree with most things he has on it. I'm not going to address the disagreements with eschatology other than Matthew 24:29, mark 13:24....both say AFTER. Is this only to Jews? Mark 13:37 WHAT I SAY UNTO I SAY UNTO ALL, WATCH. I enjoyed a sermon by Sam Adams on Scofield. The hardest part to stop believing in the pretrib was just how many ppl believe in it, but once you come out of the closet (lol) you find out there is many more than you once thought.

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Brethren,

I just finished watching the movie that Matthew 24 posted. The one hour and 53 miniutes of the movie was actually one hour and 53 minutes listening to the hereitic Steven Anderson lambasting those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.

The movie is not a movie; it is a series of sermons and  lectures by Pastor Steven Anderson and his co-host Pastor Roger Jimenez. On occasion, they have Brother Kent Hovind. What respect that I had for Kent Hovind is totally gone. I feel sorry for Kent. 

Also I listened to the anti-Semitic rant of Pastor Anderson on another audio clip that is on his website. Pastor Anderson is anti-semitic to the core.

The lecture / movie is a series of twisted logic and interpretation derived from Matthew 24 and Revelation. Andersons interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is also pathetic and a waste of time.

During the entire video he completely ignores all of the Old Testament references to the time of, "Jacob's Trouble," or, "The 7 year Tribulation period," and totally ignores the promises of God pertaining to the Jews in the time of, "Jacob's trouble." Also, it is very obvious that Pastor Anderson believes in, "Replacement theology," and that the nation of Israel in not, I repeat, not the "elect," nor or ever will be.

Although Anderson slanders Darby and Scofield, he praises Luther and Calvin. "Birds of a feather flock together."

His hatred, yes hatred, of the pre-tribulation rapture is evident throughout the entire video.

Besides making snide remarks, slandering, and belittling those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture here are a few choice words that he gave to those brethren who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture:

1. Anderson says the pre-tribulation rapture is a False Doctrine.

2. Based on Tradition (Darby and Scofield). Not on the Bible.

3. The pre-tribulation rapture is, and I quote Andersons own words "A fairy tale."

4. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Do not believe the Bible."

5. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Have no heart for God."

6. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Are brainwashed."

Also, Anderson plainly states that those mistaken brethren who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture are comparable to the Muslims, Buddhists, the Dali lama, and the Jews. In fact, Anderson says that those who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture will receive the anti-Christ as Jesus coming again.

In my estimation Pastor Anderson is anti-Semitic, cannot rightly divide the scriptures, a false teacher, and is causing harm to the independent Baptist fundamental movement.

Alan

 

 

Pretrib Believers are looking for Jesus. BTW, same as Islam and Jews....why wouldn't they take the mark? I don't believe the elect will, but the many unsaved "Christians" who blindly follow Hollywood will *BTW I have heard Anderson say that the elect will not be deceived...so obviously, he is contradicting himself, or you misunderstood.  I am looking for the antichrist first and the falling away. Why is it bad that Anderson hates Pretrib? lol. The elect are the saved. The thought of blessing a nation, that to become a citizen, one must denounce Jesus, is simply unbelievable. You think I am misguided(crazy) because I don't believe we should bless a nation who teaches Jesus was the son of a roman soldier named Pantera. Anderson believes all people are the same and wants to see all Jews saved. I wouldn't call anyone a false teacher who is 100% right on the gospel.

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